2 Peter 2 (Let's get into it)
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Welp there you go, your trying to earn eternal life by working hard to overcome,
God calls eternal life a gift, something you have, something that will never fade away, John said he needs us to know we have it (not that we may have it or it can be lost) and this is the basis for being able to continue to believe in his name.
if you have no eternal life, you have conditional life, and your hope and faith is in self and your ability, not god and his promise
Nice post Bro, surely you be a fisher of men... 
Now I understand what a preacher said when he said that God called him to be a missionary. He said where Lord? The Lord said - right where you are. I want you to teach and preach about Me to get the unbelieving believers to start believing in Me.
If only the unbelieving believers would preach Christ and His crucified and we too were crucified with Him on the cross and raised to newness of life - then the believers would have the proper foundation and grow up in Christ. Then the warning scriptures will have their proper place in a believer's life.
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God does not give you eternal life until you have true faith to begin with, true faith does not go away, only mere belief can be swayed to repent from belief in God.
and he called it eternal life. Why change the meaning, it says you will never die, live forever, and be risen on the last day, just like Jesus said in John 6
and he called it eternal life. Why change the meaning, it says you will never die, live forever, and be risen on the last day, just like Jesus said in John 6
It says they fled.
I agree they were trying to escape but were unsuccessful because they were allured by false prophets / teachers.
God calls all mankind. However, many are called; few are chosen (Matt 22:14).
Matthew 22:
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
I used to read this and wonder why the person would be thrown out of the wedding because of the garment he/she was wearing. Then I was taught about the custom of the wedding garments being provided for the guests.
Yep.
I agree they were trying to escape but were unsuccessful because they were allured by false prophets / teachers.
God calls all mankind. However, many are called; few are chosen (Matt 22:14).
Matthew 22:
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
I used to read this and wonder why the person would be thrown out of the wedding because of the garment he/she was wearing. Then I was taught about the custom of the wedding garments being provided for the guests.
Yep.
Amen...receiving the knowledge of "the escape" has been provided for and receiving Christ Himself are 2 different things.
God is the Savior of all men - especially of believers. Why? - because they receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness.
1 Timothy 4:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
Works-based works-righteousness belief systems are always trying to "achieve and maintain" what Christ ahs already done and are teaching others to rely on "what they do." It is NOT the gospel.
John disagrees with you. He says that we know we have eternal life now. Either "we have the Son and have life or we don't".
It is not some thing we work for in our own self-effort. I really encourage you to ask the Lord about the real gospel of the grace of God in Christ.
1 John 5:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
If man is required to have faith in God in order to receive salvation then believing in God is the works which that one must perform in order to receive the promise of the word: salvation.
While I am aware it is written in the scriptures including 1 Cor 15:1-2
[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom 10:17
So what was Paul's testimony?
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 9:4-5
As Paul's testimony reveals, his faith came by hearing, and hearing by the voice of God since he was well versed in the scriptures of the Old Testament since he would have read those scrolls of the Old Testament . They did not lead him to believe in Jesus as God. Moreover, persecuting those who believed in the testimony of Jesus would have required him to have listened for himself before he could make a judgement under the law. (See John 7:51) Yet having heard the Gospel from the disciples he persecuted still did not lead to believe.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:8-9
While I am aware it is written in the scriptures including 1 Cor 15:1-2
[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom 10:17
So what was Paul's testimony?
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 9:4-5
As Paul's testimony reveals, his faith came by hearing, and hearing by the voice of God since he was well versed in the scriptures of the Old Testament since he would have read those scrolls of the Old Testament . They did not lead him to believe in Jesus as God. Moreover, persecuting those who believed in the testimony of Jesus would have required him to have listened for himself before he could make a judgement under the law. (See John 7:51) Yet having heard the Gospel from the disciples he persecuted still did not lead to believe.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:8-9
1 Corinthians 5
[SUP]2 [/SUP]by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
- if you hold fast (continue in faith) - you are saved
- if you don't hold fast (don't continue in the faith) - you are not saved.
If it is the latter, you believed in vain. Your earlier faith will be to no account in regards to your salvation.
Ezekiel 3
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die;
- Righteousness can only be by faith
- Iniquity is unrighteous.
- Living in iniquity means no faith.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[SUP][a][/SUP] who believe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
- if you hold fast (continue in faith) - you are saved
- if you don't hold fast (don't continue in the faith) - you are not saved.
If it is the latter, you believed in vain. Your earlier faith will be to no account in regards to your salvation.
Ezekiel 3
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die;
- Righteousness can only be by faith
- Iniquity is unrighteous.
- Living in iniquity means no faith.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[SUP][a][/SUP] who believe.
If you fall from faith, you fall from Grace, and you have not the Son, and you have not eternal life.
Eternal life is available to all who remain in the faith. But if you shrink back.....
Hebrews 10v38
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the[SUP][g][/SUP] just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
Eternal life is available to all who remain in the faith. But if you shrink back.....
Hebrews 10v38
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the[SUP][g][/SUP] just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
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This nullifies the work of the cross.
As with most that believe that salvation is discipleship and discipleship is salvation scripture becomes filled with contradictions and it can never be properly understood.
Eternal life is granted when in faith (right belief) brought about by a change of mind (repentance) the person believes they can do nothing to obtain salvation but believes in the full and complete sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for their salvation.
That is the faith that pleases God.
It is a singular event that cannot be undone and God decides when the person has come in the right faith. God does not give eternal life to those trying to save themselves only to those who know they cannot save themselves.
So in that sense you are right without faith there is not salvation because if you do come to Him on His terms you will miss it completely, that is why the way is narrow.
As with most that believe that salvation is discipleship and discipleship is salvation scripture becomes filled with contradictions and it can never be properly understood.
Eternal life is granted when in faith (right belief) brought about by a change of mind (repentance) the person believes they can do nothing to obtain salvation but believes in the full and complete sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for their salvation.
That is the faith that pleases God.
It is a singular event that cannot be undone and God decides when the person has come in the right faith. God does not give eternal life to those trying to save themselves only to those who know they cannot save themselves.
So in that sense you are right without faith there is not salvation because if you do come to Him on His terms you will miss it completely, that is why the way is narrow.
Faith cannot be works because we have been saved by grace, not of works lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8).
Since it is God Who has given to every man the measure of faith (Rom 12:3), and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God – Rom 10:17, there is no cause for boasting.
Incidentally, faith is energized by love – Gal 5:6.
Since it is God Who has given to every man the measure of faith (Rom 12:3), and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God – Rom 10:17, there is no cause for boasting.
Incidentally, faith is energized by love – Gal 5:6.
Amen! Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature," having escaped the (corruption - Strongs #5356) that is in the world through lust with:
2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the (pollutions - Strongs #3356 - different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. *Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature." These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.
2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the (pollutions - Strongs #3356 - different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. *Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature." These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.