*****5 Wise Virgins---------------------------------*****5 Foolish Virgins

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FreeNChrist

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"An infinite God can give all of Himself to each of His children. He does not distribute Himself that each may have a part, but to each one He gives all of Himself as fully as if there were no others." - A.W. Tozer
 
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popeye

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#42
I believe that oil is used throughout the Bible to be a type of the Holy Spirit, as in the offerings before the incarnation of Christ. For argument's sake, let us say it is love. People who are not saved do not love God. People who are saved, do love God. Do you know of any unsaved people who love Jesus Christ? I do not. They may think He is a good teacher or good man, but they do not love Him.
There is measure.
A measure given to each believer.

That is why you have to ask for the Holy Spirit in fullness.

Jesus said of the earthly father/son example.

Will he give a scorpion to a son that asks for a piece of bread?

"How much more will he give the HS to those that ask"

Can't be salvation,because in Jesus' example,the son is family(saved)
 

mailmandan

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All Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
All Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit or how long? Unto the day they lose their salvation? NO. Unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Now ask yourself if all Christians act like it?
There are genuine believers and there are make believers.

Now read the parable again.

Now remember that Jesus will say to some that He never knew them.
Jesus will say to many that He NEVER knew them because they were NEVER saved (Matthew 7:22-23).

Now consider it a warning.
The wording of the five foolish virgins in our text is all too familiar to the reader of Matthew’s Gospel:

Matthew 25:11 - "Later, the other virgins came too, saying, ‘Lord, lord! Let us in!’ 12 But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you!"

Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven" but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven - (See John 6:40). 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful works?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

Taking Matthew’s words literally, I read that the difference between the foolish virgins and the wise virgins: The wise virgins had oil for their lamps, while the foolish virgins did not. The wise virgins had the opportunity to obtain oil, and did so. The foolish virgins had plenty of opportunity to procure oil, but did not.

It is possible to be in close contact with Christ, and with Christians, and yet not be saved. I am reminded of a similar passage in the Gospel of Luke:

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, "Lord, will only a few be saved?" So he said to them, 24 "Exert every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, then you will stand outside and start to knock on the door and beg him, ‘Lord, let us in!’ But he will answer you, ‘I don’t know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will reply, ‘I don’t know where you come from! Go away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves thrown out. 29 Then people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and take their places at the banquet table in the kingdom of God. 30 But indeed, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last."

Jesus is warning us in this parable that there will be a number of people who look like Christians, who associate with Christians, and who even think they are Christians, who will be shocked to learn that they are not saved at the return of our Lord. What a sobering thought!
 
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popeye

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#44
"An infinite God can give all of Himself to each of His children. He does not distribute Himself that each may have a part, but to each one He gives all of Himself as fully as if there were no others." - A.W. Tozer
The apostles were already saved before Pentecost.

Paul was already saved before they laid hands on him to receive the HS.
 

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One of important point Just what we know 50% of Virgins have to be ready.
 
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popeye

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#46
All Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit or how long? Unto the day they lose their salvation? NO. Unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

There are genuine believers and there are make believers.

Jesus will say to many that He NEVER knew them because they were NEVER saved (Matthew 7:22-23).

The wording of the five foolish virgins in our text is all too familiar to the reader of Matthew’s Gospel:

Matthew 25:11 - "Later, the other virgins came too, saying, ‘Lord, lord! Let us in!’ 12 But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you!"

Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven" but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven - (See John 6:40). 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful works?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

Taking Matthew’s words literally, I read that the difference between the foolish virgins and the wise virgins: The wise virgins had oil for their lamps, while the foolish virgins did not. The wise virgins had the opportunity to obtain oil, and did so. The foolish virgins had plenty of opportunity to procure oil, but did not.

It is possible to be in close contact with Christ, and with Christians, and yet not be saved. I am reminded of a similar passage in the Gospel of Luke:

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, "Lord, will only a few be saved?" So he said to them, 24 "Exert every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, then you will stand outside and start to knock on the door and beg him, ‘Lord, let us in!’ But he will answer you, ‘I don’t know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will reply, ‘I don’t know where you come from! Go away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves thrown out. 29 Then people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and take their places at the banquet table in the kingdom of God. 30 But indeed, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last."

Jesus is warning us in this parable that there will be a number of people who look like Christians, who associate with Christians, and who even think they are Christians, who will be shocked to learn that they are not saved at the return of our Lord. What a sobering thought!
Then,in your teaching,you have those saved and sleeping,loosing their salvation,then asking the wise to impart salvation to them,and even more bizarrely,you have those with lamps burning brightly acting as heretics and telling them to go BUY SOME SALVATION FROM SELLERS OF SALVATION.

That is gross butchery.

And what happens when the elements of the parable are recklessly transposed erroneously.
 
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Parable is simply about endurance, and cost.
5 just took lamps, assuming everything would be predictable and quick.
5 dug deep, prepared for trouble, made sure nothing could go wrong.

This is a parable about discipleship, seeing what is going to happen and
making sure everything is covered. For us this is getting involved in church,
in the bible, in witnessing, in seeking Gods will, in prayer, in good works.

Those who thought this was just a quick superficial duty, got cut short,
and when the time came were rejected.

The outward show is not good enough, it needs to be a lifelong commitment
extending to every part of ones life and being.

Getting ready too late is too late, the door will be closed.
 
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popeye

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#48
One of important point Just what we know 50% of Virgins have to be ready.
Well,not what is desired.

In your framework of thinking,only 8 needed to enter the ark
 
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FreeNChrist

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#49
The apostles were already saved before Pentecost.

Paul was already saved before they laid hands on him to receive the HS.
Romans 8:9 - "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."
 
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popeye

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Parable is simply about endurance, and cost.
5 just took lamps, assuming everything would be predictable and quick.
5 dug deep, prepared for trouble, made sure nothing could go wrong.

This is a parable about discipleship, seeing what is going to happen and
making sure everything is covered. For us this is getting involved in church,
in the bible, in witnessing, in seeking Gods will, in prayer, in good works.

Those who thought this was just a quick superficial duty, got cut short,
and when the time came were rejected.

The outward show is not good enough, it needs to be a lifelong commitment
extending to every part of ones life and being.

Getting ready too late is too late, the door will be closed.
Except those that had extra oil only needed it for a few seconds.....not some long haul.

Your example does not fit,because the foolish did come back with oil.
 
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Galatea

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#51
No,they did have oil. They also had light,and lamps. Plus they were virgins,indicating undefiled,or pure

In no way can they not be saved.
They are not saved because the bridegroom NEVER KNEW THEM. He did not say
"I'm sorry ladies, but you misbehaved. You did not act well by keeping your lamps burning." No, he said "I do not know you." They were strangers to him. There are plenty of people who look like Christians, and lead moral lives- but they have not been saved.
 

trofimus

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Romans 8:9 - "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."

Just a note - there is no "Holy Spirit" use in this verse.

There is also no "the" in the beginning of the verse.

"You are not in flesh, but in spirit..."
 
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popeye

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Romans 8:9 - "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."
The point is not that all have Christ.

The point is,what are those saved in the bible doing getting something you say they already have.
 
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FreeNChrist

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#57
The point is not that all have Christ.

The point is,what are those saved in the bible doing getting something you say they already have.
I have no idea what your point is. But heres what I see going on here. When a person thinks the Holy Spirit is an “it”, and not God, then thinking “it” can be divvied up as if “it" is some kind of commodity will somehow make sense to them. But they will still be just plain wrong.
 
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popeye

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They are not saved because the bridegroom NEVER KNEW THEM. He did not say
"I'm sorry ladies, but you misbehaved. You did not act well by keeping your lamps burning." No, he said "I do not know you." They were strangers to him. There are plenty of people who look like Christians, and lead moral lives- but they have not been saved.
Does not say" never".

Re read it
 

mailmandan

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Then,in your teaching,you have those saved and sleeping,loosing their salvation,then asking the wise to impart salvation to them,and even more bizarrely,you have those with lamps burning brightly acting as heretics and telling them to go BUY SOME SALVATION FROM SELLERS OF SALVATION.

That is gross butchery.

And what happens when the elements of the parable are recklessly transposed erroneously.
Nobody is losing their salvation in this parable. "I do not know you" (Matthew 25:11) and "I never knew you" (Matthew 7:23) clearly indicates that such people were not and never were saved. In John 17:3, we read - And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.

*Notice how I properly harmonized Scripture with Scripture in order to reach my conclusion. ;)