*****5 Wise Virgins---------------------------------*****5 Foolish Virgins

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This parable makes me think of my daughter

Whenever a hard film comes on and a difficult ending happens she invents another ending.

So in the parable of the virgins, the five unfortunate virgins go round to the tradesman
entrance and get in with the food delivery people, so no problems.

It strikes me people do not like hard endings. If you drive a car at 60 mph into a
concrete wall head on you will die. Now people everyday get in their cars and die
in accidents. But they could take precautions, and learn good ways of driving, but
most cannot be bothered, they will take the risk.

Jesus is saying, listen, be prepared, dig deep, bring a backup along.
 
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I take a simple approach to the parable of the ten virgins, I believe that Jesus was just saying, be prepared for the unexpected. Remember, the time for the bridegroom to arrive had came and went. All of the girls were prepared for the bridegroom to come when he was suppose to come, the five that were wise were prepared for the unexpected. I think that Jesus was just telling us to be prepared for the unexpected and keep our faith.
 
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I have no idea what your point is. But heres what I see going on here. When a person thinks the Holy Spirit is an “it”, and not God, then thinking “it” can be divvied up as if “it" is some kind of commodity will somehow make sense to them. But they will still be just plain wrong.
Jesus said " you shall receive power after the HS is come upon you"

Power is "an it".

Power is not a person
 
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Jesus said " you shall receive power after the HS is come upon you"

Power is "an it".

Power is not a person
Well now we know where the problem lies, eh? :rolleyes:
 

trofimus

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I take a simple approach to the parable of the ten virgins, I believe that Jesus was just saying, be prepared for the unexpected. Remember, the time for the bridegroom to arrive had came and went. All of the girls were prepared for the bridegroom to come when he was suppose to come, the five that were wise were prepared for the unexpected. I think that Jesus was just telling us to be prepared for the unexpected and keep our faith.
The simplest approach is most of the time the best one.

I would just add that unexpected = delayed. Not sooner, but later. Jesus several times said He will return later than we expect. So late that many servants start to think He will not come at all.
 
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This parable makes me think of my daughter

Whenever a hard film comes on and a difficult ending happens she invents another ending.

So in the parable of the virgins, the five unfortunate virgins go round to the tradesman
entrance and get in with the food delivery people, so no problems.

It strikes me people do not like hard endings. If you drive a car at 60 mph into a
concrete wall head on you will die. Now people everyday get in their cars and die
in accidents. But they could take precautions, and learn good ways of driving, but
most cannot be bothered, they will take the risk.

Jesus is saying, listen, be prepared, dig deep, bring a backup along.
The foolish had a "hard ending" and entered what you are alluding to we need to prepare and get ready for "the long run"

The wise had a happy ending and left this world behind.

IOW the preparation is not for staying,but for leaving.
 

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What's kind of actions are make our light visible all the time? Let's Jesus answer the question The short answer in the next few verses KJV St.Matthew5;14-16 14.Ye are light of the World.A city that is that is set on an hill cannot be hid.15.Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16.Let you light to shine before men,that they may see your good works,and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
 
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popeye

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Jesus said "I do not know you" in Matthew 25:11, NOT I once knew you but don't anymore.
Once you depart from the components of the parable you find yourself defending sky grabs.

Are virgins pure and undefiled?

Saints,maybe?

You now have saints that Jesus "never knew"

Or maybe Jesus thinks heathens are pure and undefiled (virgins)

You can not transpose at will the components,even if our pet doctrines demand it
 
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[video=youtube;ripQ9jJnw1c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ripQ9jJnw1c[/video]
 
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popeye

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Nobody is losing their salvation in this parable. "I do not know you" (Matthew 25:11) and "I never knew you" (Matthew 7:23) clearly indicates that such people were not and never were saved. In John 17:3, we read - And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.

*Notice how I properly harmonized Scripture with Scripture in order to reach my conclusion. ;)
Virgins

That is your obstacle.

Oil is not salvation. It is a second component to the virgins.

Look at what you ascribe to sinners.
OIL---HS
LAMPS---LIGHT
WATCHING AND WAITING FOR JESUS
ASKING THE SAVED FOR OIL
RUNNING OUT OF OIL
VIRGINS---PURITY,UNDEFILED
 
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The conscious, deliberate denial of the deity of the Holy Spirit is heresy, making those who do so heretics. We are to mark them, and avoid them (Rom. 16:17-18).
 

mailmandan

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Once you depart from the components of the parable you find yourself defending sky grabs.

Are virgins pure and undefiled?

Saints,maybe?

You now have saints that Jesus "never knew"

Or maybe Jesus thinks heathens are pure and undefiled (virgins)

You can not transpose at will the components,even if our pet doctrines demand it
It sounds to me like you are defending your pet doctrine. "Foolish" virgins that Jesus "did not know" are not saints or pure and undefiled. Neither are these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 that Jesus never knew. Nominal virgins, just as nominal disciples (such as Judas Iscariot, along with the rest of the nominal disciples that Jesus was talking about in John 6:64) are not saints or pure and undefiled either. Only those who continue in His word are TRULY disciples of Jesus (John 8:31).
 

mailmandan

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Virgins

That is your obstacle.

Oil is not salvation. It is a second component to the virgins.

Look at what you ascribe to sinners.
OIL---HS
LAMPS---LIGHT
WATCHING AND WAITING FOR JESUS
ASKING THE SAVED FOR OIL
RUNNING OUT OF OIL
VIRGINS---PURITY,UNDEFILED
Assuming the five FOOLISH virgins that Jesus DID NOT KNOW were saved is your obstacle. Matthew 25:3 - For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them.
 
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All Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit or how long? Unto the day they lose their salvation? NO. Unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

There are genuine believers and there are make believers.

Jesus will say to many that He NEVER knew them because they were NEVER saved (Matthew 7:22-23).

The wording of the five foolish virgins in our text is all too familiar to the reader of Matthew’s Gospel:

Matthew 25:11 - "Later, the other virgins came too, saying, ‘Lord, lord! Let us in!’ 12 But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you!"

Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven" but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven - (See John 6:40). 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful works?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

Taking Matthew’s words literally, I read that the difference between the foolish virgins and the wise virgins: The wise virgins had oil for their lamps, while the foolish virgins did not. The wise virgins had the opportunity to obtain oil, and did so. The foolish virgins had plenty of opportunity to procure oil, but did not.

It is possible to be in close contact with Christ, and with Christians, and yet not be saved. I am reminded of a similar passage in the Gospel of Luke:

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, "Lord, will only a few be saved?" So he said to them, 24 "Exert every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, then you will stand outside and start to knock on the door and beg him, ‘Lord, let us in!’ But he will answer you, ‘I don’t know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will reply, ‘I don’t know where you come from! Go away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves thrown out. 29 Then people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and take their places at the banquet table in the kingdom of God. 30 But indeed, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last."

Jesus is warning us in this parable that there will be a number of people who look like Christians, who associate with Christians, and who even think they are Christians, who will be shocked to learn that they are not saved at the return of our Lord. What a sobering thought!


yet they were all virgins and all had lamps. they were all the same and yet only 5 were ready

now that has to mean something and transposing a you cannot be lost doctrine onto this parable just does not work I'm thinking

what does there are genuine and fake believers even mean in this case? they were all virgins and all waiting for the bridegroom

Jesus will say to many that He NEVER knew them because they were NEVER saved (Matthew 7:22-23).
yet 'they' did miracles in Jesus name and Jesus says he never KNEW them. this sounds more like a proble with their relationship and actual identifying with Jesus to me

Taking Matthew’s words literally, I read that the difference between the foolish virgins and the wise virgins: The wise virgins had oil for their lamps, while the foolish virgins did not. The wise virgins had the opportunity to obtain oil, and did so. The foolish virgins had plenty of opportunity to procure oil, but did not.

It is possible to be in close contact with Christ, and with Christians, and yet not be saved. I am reminded of a similar passage in the Gospel of Luke:
I would agree with the above

The oil does represent the Holy Spirit but I would state also the life of Christ in us.

Jesus is warning us in this parable that there will be a number of people who look like Christians, who associate with Christians, and who even think they are Christians, who will be shocked to learn that they are not saved at the return of our Lord. What a sobering thought!
yes it is very sobering, but again, they were all virgins and all waiting for the bridegroom

this seems to indicate that people who think they are right might not be

I think it is over simplification to state some are real Christians and some are not

I think we are seeing some of the same things, but not exactly
 

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yet they were all virgins and all had lamps. they were all the same and yet only 5 were ready

now that has to mean something and transposing a you cannot be lost doctrine onto this parable just does not work I'm thinking

what does there are genuine and fake believers even mean in this case? they were all virgins and all waiting for the bridegroom
Yet 5 of them were FOOLISH and Jesus DID NOT KNOW THEM. Judas Iscariot was called a disciple, yet Jesus referred to him as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him (John 6:64-71; 13:10,11). Does that sound like Judas was TRULY His disciple? (John 8:31).

yet 'they' did miracles in Jesus name and Jesus says he never KNEW them. this sounds more like a proble with their relationship and actual identifying with Jesus to me
Satan may grant the power to one of his agents to cast out demons from another of his agents or perform miracles in order to gain attention and loyalty from an audience for his evil agenda. False teachers and false prophets have long demonstrated supernatural power granted by Satan. The enemy uses this deception to win an audience for his claims.

Also, in Matthew 10:1, we also see that Jesus gave His 12 disciples power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. This would include Judas Iscariot, yet Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him! (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). Apparently, Judas believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12).

These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They were self righteous.

I would agree with the above
Amen!

The oil does represent the Holy Spirit but I would state also the life of Christ in us.
And what does no oil suggest?

yes it is very sobering, but again, they were all virgins and all waiting for the bridegroom
"Foolish" virgins who had "no oil" that Jesus "did not know." What does that tell you about their status?

this seems to indicate that people who think they are right might not be

I think it is over simplification to state some are real Christians and some are not

I think we are seeing some of the same things, but not exactly
Not everyone who "on the surface" appears to be a Christian really is, regardless of their label.
 

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The first five had the Holy Spirit too, when they lamps were burnings in the beginning? Then the Holy Spirit "ran out" so they had to lend it from others? And could not come to the kingdom of God because of it?

Biblically, there is only one thing that makes us enter to the kingdom of God or not - faith.

IF I put a faith to the story, it makes more sense...
OK, change oil for FAITH or Spirit and it would still have the same result. The foolish virgins did not have enough of their own. The parable says they could not get in....why are you questioning God's decision ?
 
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An they all fell asleep, that's interesting what does this mean?