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Pilgrimer

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lol..

Hitler
Rape
Murder
pain
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evil upon evil

You can watch the news every day and this is the world you expect to see with God reigning and satan bound?
And you really expect to judge the state of God's work in this world by the American press???

Here are a few other venues ...

China

The rate of conversion to Christianity in China is staggering. There were about 2 million Christians 30 years ago. Today there are between 23.5 million (the official statistic taken from state-run churches) and 130 million (including house churches) according to China Aid, a Christian charity working in China. Though the latter figure is debated, if it's in the ballpark it means the number of Christians outstrip Communist party members (78 million) by tens of millions.
Chinese Christianity will not be crushed | Nicola Davison | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

BEIJING — Chinese are embracing Christianity in a social revolution that is spreading through town and countryside to the point where Christians already may outnumber members of the Communist Party of China.

Read more: Millions all over China convert to Christianity - Washington Times

Africa

Africa, the “dark continent” to which American Christians shipped missionary after missionary during the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] Century, now features 40 percent of the Nigerian population among the rolls of Christians, according to the CIA Factbook.

Patrick Johnstone and Jason Mandryk’s Operation World reports Uganda is 88 percent Christian and Kenya is about 78 percent Christian.

Missions analysis at the Free Methodist Church of North America say their Africa churches are the fastest growing in their denomination and the largest Anglican province in the world is in Nigeria.

Read more at Africa’s ‘Christian’ population on rise


African Muslims converting to Christianity large scale numbers (from Al-Jazeera website)

This translation of a televised conversation reveals a rare glimpse into the outlook of Muslim scholars who are concerned about Christianity’s growth. The invited guest is Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani; the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, which is an institution specializing in graduating imams and Islamic preachers.
Katani starts off describing the overall problem:
Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.
As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed.
Al-Jazeerah Website -- Six Million African Muslims Convert to Christianity Each Year


The recent “Mighty Men” conference in South Africa attracted an estimated 300,000 men to the farming community of Greytown in the Kwazulu-Natal province. Some believe this was the largest gathering of Christian men in the world.

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The Middle East

At the same time that traditional Christian populations are being driven out, Muslims are converting to Christianity at what missionaries and other Church leaders describe as an unprecedented rate. Joel Rosenberg claims that “more Muslims are coming to faith in Jesus Christ today than at any other time in history.”



An Iranian dissident told Rosenberg that there may be as many as 4.5 million converts in Iran. New Testaments and other Christian literature have flooded Iran, and Iraqi pastors cannot keep up with the demand for Christian books and pamphlets. Out of the carnage of Sudan, as many as a million have become Christians since 2000. By 2005, there were reportedly 100,000 Christian converts in Saudi Arabia. Because of vicious persecution, it is impossible to tell how many Christians there are in Afghanistan, but some have estimated as many as 20-30,000, and there is a similar number in Uzbekistan, a country that twenty-five years ago had only a handful of believers. Accurate numbers are difficult to find and more difficult to confirm, but even if these are inflated, there’s little doubt that something remarkable is happening.

Religious Change in the Middle East | First Things

Egypt

A massive four-day national prayer event is starting today, Oct. 26, in the desert north of Cairo, and is expected to draw 50,000 people from all over Egypt and reach around 5 to 6 million viewers with television coverage. Last November 70,000 Egyptian Christians gathered for praise, worship, and prayer at St. Simon Church in Cairo while millions around the globe followed the event live on TV and the Internet. This was a significant event: It was the largest Christian gathering in the modern history of Egypt.

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Read more: Massive Desert Prayer Gathering Draws Together Egypt's Christians | Colin Dye


Brazil

Hundreds of churches joined together in November for a 2.5 mile march of witness in San Paulo, Brazil, then stayed to listen to Christian bands and messages from celebrities and preachers. This was the country’s 17th annual march, held each year on the same day the Catholic Church celebrates the Corpus Christi holiday, which is not observed by evangelical Protestants but is a national holiday in Brazil. Last year, more than 48,000 churches and over 850,000 homes tuned into one of the largest evangelistic outreaches in history through television, called My Hope Brazil. Evangelical Protestants have grown from 9% in 1990 to 15%, according to the 2000 census.

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Viet Nam

In the lead up to Christmas, huge Christian prayer gatherings were held in the major cities, attracting 12,000 Christians in Hanoi and 40,000 to one event in Ho Chi Minh City. Christian groups admit to being surprised by their new found freedoms, saying such large gatherings would have been unthinkable even 12 months ago.
Huge Christian gatherings signal new religious freedoms in Vietnam | Connect Asia | ABC Radio Australia
 
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Pilgrimer

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The above was just a small sampling of what has been going on in the world in recent years. The Lord is most definitely at work and the Gospel is reaping fruit from nations where only a dozen years ago Christianity was against the law and Christians were at best imprisoned, and at worst executed. But in recent years a door has opened in countries that Christians have been praying over for a generation, like China, and the Gospel is exploding across the nation and as one article stated, a revolution is taking place in that formerly closed, communist society.

But you won't hear about any of this from the mainstream American news media, or any of the western news media. So perhaps it would be wise to not look to the world's media to see what God is doing in the world, or judge the handiwork of Grace by the messengers of doom and gloom.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Perhaps, Satan is not their god but merely their 'ring leader/head master'. This is what I thought Ariel was saying also. I can agree to this also, without Satan, his army would be in disarray.

Backing out of this conversation....seems I jumped into it at the end without reading the whole thing. I normally read the last post and work up (need to change that).

lol its ok. I explained it better in another thread so will leave it there
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And you really expect to judge the state of God's work in this world by the American press???

lol. Nice jab, But no. I am judging the state of the world as it really is.

All those things you showed are great, yet they were prophesied to happen. Should we expect any different?

But that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about peace. Where our children are not afraid. where God will multiply us in him.

God said he is patient right now. So he is allowing all the evil things to happen (even though yes he is still in control) but there will come a day of judgment. And this world will know that God is God. he destroys evil, and sets up his physical throne.

I probably will not be alive then. but I still pray for that day to come.. And I certainly am not going to deny it will happen, even if I do not get to participate in it.

My focus is on eternity. not on what will happen many years from now.. But it does nto mean I do not believe those things will happen.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The above was just a small sampling of what has been going on in the world in recent years. The Lord is most definitely at work and the Gospel is reaping fruit from nations where only a dozen years ago Christianity was against the law and Christians were at best imprisoned, and at worst executed. But in recent years a door has opened in countries that Christians have been praying over for a generation, like China, and the Gospel is exploding across the nation and as one article stated, a revolution is taking place in that formerly closed, communist society.

But you won't hear about any of this from the mainstream American news media, or any of the western news media. So perhaps it would be wise to not look to the world's media to see what God is doing in the world, or judge the handiwork of Grace by the messengers of doom and gloom.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
No I hear about them in church, I pray for them, and I give money to missions so those things can continue to happen. I pray these things continue and even become greater in number and power

but we are talking about the evil that continues in the world.. which God says will stop in the day he sets up his kingdom.
 
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Ariel82

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Perhaps, Satan is not their god but merely their 'ring leader/head master'. This is what I thought Ariel was saying also. I can agree to this also, without Satan, his army would be in disarray.

Backing out of this conversation....seems I jumped into it at the end without reading the whole thing. I normally read the last post and work up (need to change that).
yeah I do about the same.

and Satan's army IS in disarray. don't you see all the little sects, etc.

I don't think I'm going to agree with you EG.

JESUS came as both the MESSIAH and the Suffering servant.

The Jews were expecting an Earthly ruler, but they were wrong. Some Christians expect the same, but they too are wrong.

Revelation 20
[h=3][/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison [SUP]8 [/SUP]and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

never tells you how long Satan is running around deceiving the nations.

If the nations already belonged to Satan, why would he have to deceive them?

I guess it goes back to if you believe the beast is past, present or future

and if he has been cast into the lake of Fire with the False prophet or not.

personally I believe the beast and the false prophet have already been cast into the eternal fire but Satan will still use Gog and Magog to pretend to be the beast and false prophet if it helps him deceive more folks. that way Satan can come onto the scene and pretend to cast them down and establish a fake earthly kingdom like the Muslims want their Jesus to do and give the Jews the "Messiah" they think the Bible is promising them.

Its a great way to rally the forces against JESUS and His Kingdom. You know distract folks from actually preaching the Gospel.

Have them chasing after things that have already happened, instead of paying attention to the deception Satan is doing right in front of them. Doing the works God wants them to do them NOW, while its still TODAY.

Revelation 14:13

Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”
 
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eternally-gratefull

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yeah I do about the same.

and Satan's army IS in disarray. don't you see all the little sects, etc.

I don't think I'm going to agree with you EG.

JESUS came as both the MESSIAH and the Suffering servant.
Can you show me where in this prophesy of the messiah Jesus was seen?

1. He will be human, born as a child
2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
3. He will be God himself (He will be called mighty God)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
5. He will NEVER DIE
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
7. Those who rebelled againsed him, and survived the final battle will come and worship him. No one will look down on him, but look up to him. and serve him and him only.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.
9. We are given his name: Messiah, or as we know it Christ.

The two I highlighted was seen in Jesus. But you saw the other things in him while he walked the earth?

And it is fine if we disagree. We do not have to agree. We can still be brother and sister in Christ :)
 
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Pilgrimer

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lol. Nice jab, But no. I am judging the state of the world as it really is.

All those things you showed are great, yet they were prophesied to happen. Should we expect any different?

But that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about peace. Where our children are not afraid. where God will multiply us in him.

God said he is patient right now. So he is allowing all the evil things to happen (even though yes he is still in control) but there will come a day of judgment. And this world will know that God is God. he destroys evil, and sets up his physical throne.

I probably will not be alive then. but I still pray for that day to come.. And I certainly am not going to deny it will happen, even if I do not get to participate in it.

My focus is on eternity. not on what will happen many years from now.. But it does nto mean I do not believe those things will happen.
Oh but brother, you will be alive to see it. You and I both, if we should pass away before the Lord returns, will be raised to life and will see that final judgment and the wicked cast into the lake of fire. We will be alive to see the earth and the heavens purged with the fire of the presence of the Lord, indeed, we ourselves will pass through that purifying fire so that even our bodies are made perfect, as they were in the day God created man. And it will be in that world where our children and our children's children will never again know fear or pain or suffering, or weeping or death or mourning.

But we don't wait for that day to know God's peace, because God's peace is not an absence of war or strife or fear. God's peace is the assurance of knowing that even in the face of war and strife and evil we are safe and secure in our Father's arms, no weapon formed against us, no evil intended for us, no trouble or trial this old world can throw at us can shake our souls or trouble our spirits because God is with us, and He has already given us the victory through Christ.

This is the peace of God, a peace that passeth all understanding as the Apostle said. That's not a hope for the future, it's a blessing for the present.

But the evil that is in the world, it will not stop until the day God destroys it in the lake of fire.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 
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Ariel82

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but we are talking about the evil that continues in the world.. which God says will stop in the day he sets up his kingdom.
which doesn't happen until the NEW Heaven and the NEW Earth as in Revelation 21 and 22 after the final Judgement throne at the end of chapter 20.

don't see how that line of thinking prevents the fulfillment of the previous verses.

or are you thinking that the kingdom/reign referred to in Revelation 20 will be without evil?

how can that be when Satan is released and able to deceive the people still?
 
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Ariel82

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I'll only spend the time to try and show you cuz I love you. otherwise, I'd be making pizza dough or something :)

Can you show me where in this prophesy of the messiah Jesus was seen?

1. He will be human, born as a child
2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
Jesus is King of an eternal SPIRITUAL Kingdom. the Homeland that the prophets looked too.
Jesus says HE IS A KING

John 18:35-37

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]35 [/SUP]Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”

Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”



3. He will be God himself (He will be called mighty God)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
Jesus is reigning in Heaven right now, it will never end, how is that not eternal?

5. He will NEVER DIE
You know Jesus is RISEN and he will NEVER die. He is eternal.
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
He did come from Judah, He is ruling Isreal and it can't be defeated...

the Heavenly Jeruselem *yeah spelling is my weak point**

Galatians 4
[SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”[SUP][e][/SUP]



[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.



7. Those who rebelled againsed him, and survived the final battle will come and worship him. No one will look down on him, but look up to him. and serve him and him only.
nope they will be cast in the eternal fire.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.
says who?
9. We are given his name: Messiah, or as we know it Christ.
nope we will be given a white stone with a name no one knows but God with our own new name upon it... but that is AFTER the final judgement, happens in Revelation 21 and 22.

The two I highlighted was seen in Jesus. But you saw the other things in him while he walked the earth?

And it is fine if we disagree. We do not have to agree. We can still be brother and sister in Christ :)
anyways... Jesus says HE IS A KING while walking on this Earth and fulfilled the other stuff too. its in the Bible and in history.

but like I said, its all a diversion tactic to get people caught up on it all and look for another Messiah besides Jesus.
 
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Thanks for the excellent post, Pilgrimmer on the state of Christianity in the world. I know Canada is mostly apostate, with the US coming in behind behind Europe.

The Holy Spirit is moving, in spite of selfish westerners who chose to live their lives in comfort, begging God for more money, health and wealth.

I love to hear that God is on the March. And his Kingdom will prevail!
 
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cfultz3

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yeah I do about the same.

and Satan's army IS in disarray. don't you see all the little sects, etc.
Just my opinion, I see those 'sects' as each demon trying to build their own house (I stole 20 souls, I live in 40 beings, etc). From my understanding, Satan no longer stands as the accuser of the brethren in Heaven, but has fallen to the Earth since Christ's resurrection. Is he bound now from leading those countries under his control (remember Michael saying that he had to fight the demons over certain countries before he was able to come to someone?)? From my understanding, he knows he has but a short time and his children are at work now to keep God's physical Kingdom from coming.

P.S. this is but one understanding of many. LOL, so don't quote me on it :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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which doesn't happen until the NEW Heaven and the NEW Earth as in Revelation 21 and 22 after the final Judgement throne at the end of chapter 20.

don't see how that line of thinking prevents the fulfillment of the previous verses.

or are you thinking that the kingdom/reign referred to in Revelation 20 will be without evil?

how can that be when Satan is released and able to deceive the people still?
The kingdom I am talking about is where God multiplies people in his name. there will be no multiplying in heaven. Where neighbor does not have to teach neighbor because they all agree. no one will have to teach anyone in heaven, so it does nto make sense God would say this about heaven.

It is the kingdom which happens before satan is released.

As for evil. Christ rules with iron rod.. do you think evil will be open like it is today? and yes, people still have evil hearts, that is why satan so quickly gets an army.. It is just unlike our justice system, Christs justice system will actually work..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Oh but brother, you will be alive to see it. You and I both, if we should pass away before the Lord returns, will be raised to life and will see that final judgment and the wicked cast into the lake of fire.
Wrong judgment, I am talking about the time of Gods wrath.. Where he punishes the kingdoms of the earth who do not follow him. And whoever endures to the end will be saved.

WHole different judgment.. And unless you believe in the rapture.. we will not be here to see this unless it happens in our lifetime.


We will be alive to see the earth and the heavens purged with the fire of the presence of the Lord, indeed, we ourselves will pass through that purifying fire so that even our bodies are made perfect, as they were in the day God created man. And it will be in that world where our children and our children's children will never again know fear or pain or suffering, or weeping or death or mourning.
Thats a new heaven and new earth, not this one.. Again different time and different event.

But we don't wait for that day to know God's peace, because God's peace is not an absence of war or strife or fear. God's peace is the assurance of knowing that even in the face of war and strife and evil we are safe and secure in our Father's arms, no weapon formed against us, no evil intended for us, no trouble or trial this old world can throw at us can shake our souls or trouble our spirits because God is with us, and He has already given us the victory through Christ. This is the peace of God, a peace that passeth all understanding as the Apostle said. That's not a hope for the future, it's a blessing for the present.

Agree 100 %, I am not saying we should not do this.. Nor am I even talking of this, I am talking about events which God said would happen.


But the evil that is in the world, it will not stop until the day God destroys it in the lake of fire.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Scripture says quite different. the way I see it
 
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Ariel82

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This has already happened....

Psalm 2
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion.”

[SUP]7 [/SUP]“I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]You shall break[SUP][a][/SUP] them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’”

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Kiss the Son,[SUP][b][/SUP] lest [SUP][c][/SUP] He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

Acts 13, Hebrews 1, Hebrews 5 testify to its fulfillment.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'll only spend the time to try and show you cuz I love you. otherwise, I'd be making pizza dough or something :)

You know I love you too


Jesus is King of an eternal SPIRITUAL Kingdom. the Homeland that the prophets looked too.
Jesus says HE IS A KING

John 18:35-37

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]35 [/SUP]Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”

Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
Ah, But messiahs kingdom was to be a physical kingdom. The suffering servant had no kingdom remember?

Messiah.

2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.

vs suffering servant
2. He will have no kingdom, no one will look up to him, they will look down on him.


so of course jesus would say his kingdom is not of this world.. He came as servant.. not as king..


Jesus is reigning in Heaven right now, it will never end, how is that not eternal?

Yes he is. But all the kingdoms are not coming to worship him. all the kings are not bowing down to him. the nations are not serving him or worshiping him. He is not ruling with an iron rod. He has not punished the nations who have done evil. etc etc.. Completely different thing.


You know Jesus is RISEN and he will NEVER die. He is eternal.
He did come from Judah, He is ruling Isreal and it can't be defeated...
He came from nazereth (Isreal not judah) and he died.. those are fulfilled servant prophesies, not messiah, hen messiah comes he will come from (to) jerusalem, Just as the disciples saw him leave so will he return. And he will never die at this time.

the Heavenly Jeruselem *yeah spelling is my weak point**
Yet it is prophesied his will return, bring the two divisions of Isreal back to the land their fathers LIVED IN (not the new jerusalem, they never lived there) and he will personally rule them.. can;t be the new jerusalem, or prophesy is in error. Ez 37)
Galatians 4
[SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”[SUP][e][/SUP]



[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Two different things.. This is speaking of eternity, not the physical rule of messiah.


nope they will be cast in the eternal fire.
Zechariah 14:16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty

They will?? since when is a person who repents and comes to christ doomed to eternal fire??
says who?
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

Micah 5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.
5:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God. And they will live securely, for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth.

Zechariah 14:9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
Zechariah 14:16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty


nope we will be given a white stone with a name no one knows but God with our own new name upon it... but that is AFTER the final judgement, happens in Revelation 21 and 22.
lol.. HIS name was given, it is messiah, Vs the suffering servants name, who was never given to us. that is what I meant.


anyways... Jesus says HE IS A KING while walking on this Earth and fulfilled the other stuff too. its in the Bible and in history.

but like I said, its all a diversion tactic to get people caught up on it all and look for another Messiah besides Jesus.
Who is looking for another messiah? He already came as suffering servant, people looking for anothe rmessiah to come save them are not looking to be saved, they are looking for God to come and remove them from the slavery of the people of this earth. Which aint going to happen for them, for they will be destroyed with all the others if they do nto come to the messiah who already came.
 
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Thanks for the excellent post, Pilgrimmer on the state of Christianity in the world. I know Canada is mostly apostate, with the US coming in behind behind Europe.

The Holy Spirit is moving, in spite of selfish westerners who chose to live their lives in comfort, begging God for more money, health and wealth.

I love to hear that God is on the March. And his Kingdom will prevail!

God will work inspite of us. His message will be proclaimed to all the earth, even if we fail.
 
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Just my opinion, I see those 'sects' as each demon trying to build their own house (I stole 20 souls, I live in 40 beings, etc). From my understanding, Satan no longer stands as the accuser of the brethren in Heaven, but has fallen to the Earth since Christ's resurrection. Is he bound now from leading those countries under his control (remember Michael saying that he had to fight the demons over certain countries before he was able to come to someone?)? From my understanding, he knows he has but a short time and his children are at work now to keep God's physical Kingdom from coming.

P.S. this is but one understanding of many. LOL, so don't quote me on it :)
So you do not think satan is in heaven now accusing the bretheren?? May I ask why you think this? Just curious
 
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Jesus is reigning in Heaven right now, it will never end, how is that not eternal?

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I agree with so much of what you write Ariel, but how do you reconcile the above with the following?

. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [SUP]27
1Cor15:25
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Satan is not in heaven. Only here do you find him, that spirit which works in the children of disobedience.