WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN THE BIRTH PAINS???

[Ariel82]

what's so hard about the fact that JESUS entered a HEAVENLY Temple?

The Earthly Temple was just a copy of the Heavenly one:

Hebrews 9
[h=3][/h][SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

Ezekiel's vision is of HEAVEN of MOUNT Zion, not of some future temple but of the HEavenly one where God lives.

Ezekiel 43

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.

 

[Ariel82]

Ezekiel 43
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then I heard Him speaking to me from the temple, while a man stood beside me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet,


[h=3]Isaiah 66[/h]


66 Thus says the Lord:

“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are talking about the same earthly messianic kingdom which has caused the majority of the Jewish nation to stumble and fall.

lol.. Yep. because they did not realise he had to come as suffering servant first.

they fell because they DID NOT THINK THEY NEEDED A SAVIOR. the mystery was revealed to those who trusted christ, even though they did not get it until after either..

It does not mean he will not fulfill the messianic kingdom though.. But like I said, this is not worth arguing over, just to explain our positions

 

[zone]

what's so hard about the fact that JESUS entered a HEAVENLY Temple?

The Earthly Temple was just a copy of the Heavenly one:

Hebrews 9
[h=3][/h][SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

Ezekiel's vision is of HEAVEN of MOUNT Zion, not of some future temple but of the HEavenly one where God lives.

Ezekiel 43

why is it so hard to to believe it's ALL about Jesus?

Hosea 11:1
Because Israel is a youth, and I love him, Out of Egypt I have called for My Son

Matthew 2:15
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son

Galatians 3:16
Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

Galatians 4:26
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Jennifer Yu Leads Rothschild's China Push.

"Rothschild, the more-than-200-year-old family-controlled banking dynasty, is making a big move in China, and Yu is leading the charge. It plans to add 15 merger advisers there by March, giving it 55 in all, more than any foreign investment bank, says Olivier Pecoux, co-chief executive officer of Rothschild."

Jennifer Yu Leads Rothschild's China Push - Businessweek

Rothschild is fighting to be the number 8th top merger acquisition consultant of Chinese foreign acquisitions right now. They are number 19 in North America (going the other way).

Rothschild sees BIG things for China acquiring U.S. and European businesses, property, and banking interests what with the rapidly accelerating clip of Chinese purchases fattening China's portfolio of foreign ownership purchased from the trillions of U.S. dollars they accumulated due to U.S. political stupidity, corruption, and negligence.

I may owe zone an apology before this is all over.

 

[cfultz3]

Ariel,

What do you make of

Eze 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what's so hard about the fact that JESUS entered a HEAVENLY Temple?

The Earthly Temple was just a copy of the Heavenly one:

Hebrews 9
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

Ezekiel's vision is of HEAVEN of MOUNT Zion, not of some future temple but of the HEavenly one where God lives.

Ezekiel 43

who is denying this?

 

[zone]

Jennifer Yu Leads Rothschild's China Push.

"Rothschild, the more-than-200-year-old family-controlled banking dynasty, is making a big move in China, and Yu is leading the charge. It plans to add 15 merger advisers there by March, giving it 55 in all, more than any foreign investment bank, says Olivier Pecoux, co-chief executive officer of Rothschild."

Jennifer Yu Leads Rothschild's China Push - Businessweek

Rothschild is fighting to be the number 8th top merger acquisition consultant of Chinese foreign acquisitions right now. They are number 19 in North America (going the other way).

Rothschild sees BIG things for China acquiring U.S. and European businesses, property, and banking interests what with the rapidly accelerating clip of Chinese purchases fattening China's portfolio of foreign ownership purchased from the trillions of U.S. dollars they accumulated due to U.S. political stupidity, corruption, and negligence.

I may owe zone an apology before this is all over.

u r 2 funee

 

[Pilgrimer]

Eze 42:20 He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.
Does that mean there is a profane place in New Jerusalem?

The profane is what lies outside the New Jerusalem. He had already made an end of measuring the inner house, then he took the measure of the outer walls that separated the holy from the common.

But there is a better description of the walls of the Temple the Lord built, and it describes these foundation walls like this:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigeners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And [we, as living stones] are built upon the foundation [walls] of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone; In whom all the building fitly joined together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Ephesians 2:19-22

That's a much clearer although still sumbolic description of the Temple not made with hands, that God Himself is building.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Of course, this isn't funny:

In the Fall of 2011, a study by Swiss scientists revealed that a only 147 corporations (mostly banks) control 40% of the world's wealth giving them a decisive stake in the globe’s economy: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf

The study points out the obvious, that if these corporations go then the world's financial sector goes with it, but also states: ”the super-entity is unlikely to be the intentional result of a conspiracy to rule the world. ‘Such structures are common in nature,’ says Sugihara” and argues that the they are, in fact, us.

But the world's financial system isn't nature and increasingly "they" are not "us." So while I continue to argue that these interconnected financial organs are taking advantage of opportunities due to political stupidity, corruption, negligence etc... in the U.S. and wherever opportunity is found, I am increasingly unable to refute the idea of a pre-planned conspiracy... that denuding the U.S. and the West was a pre-planned strategy simply to accumulate wealth faster.

u r 2 funee

 

[Abiding]

And guess who owns the other 60%

 

[zone]

I am increasingly unable to refute the idea of a pre-planned conspiracy

cool.
same ppl did 9-11.
add it all up and what you see is exactly what you get.

global gulag comin up...and we looked in all the wrong places.
just like we were s'posed ta.

cuz ppl got scared. and learned to shut down when ppl said "conspiracy"
just like the pre-planners planned.

Hegel et al.

easy. ppl are predictable.
you can play the same trick a million times and they'll believe it.
and the herd will react, predictably.

one thing dictators hate is people who are still willing to think critically...instead of reactionary responses.
that's why they're the first to go.
when the time comes.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I don't believe 911 was an inside job. I've looked at the conspiracy theories and they have been refuted imo.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

What would be interesting is to see what percentage of the 60% have a strong associatability to the 40% when they are supposed to be their competitors.

And guess who owns the other 60%

 

[zone]

Of course, this isn't funny:

In the Fall of 2011, a study by Swiss scientists revealed that a only 147 corporations (mostly banks) control 40% of the world's wealth giving them a decisive stake in the globe’s economy: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf

The study points out the obvious, that if these corporations go then the world's financial sector goes with it, but also states: ”the super-entity is unlikely to be the intentional result of a conspiracy to rule the world. ‘Such structures are common in nature,’ says Sugihara” and argues that the they are, in fact, us.

But the world's financial system isn't nature and increasingly "they" are not "us." So while I continue to argue that these interconnected financial organs are taking advantage of opportunities due to political stupidity, corruption, negligence etc... in the U.S. and wherever opportunity is found, I am increasingly unable to refute the idea of a pre-planned conspiracy... that denuding the U.S. and the West was a pre-planned strategy simply to accumulate wealth faster.

now, AoK....

take a new 'theology' which takes Jesus, the Church (jew & gentile), and New Jerusalem - and replaces it with 'Israel' and an earthly Kingdom.


Mission
The mission of Christians United For Israel (CUFI) is to provide a national association through which every pro-Israel church, parachurch organization, ministry or individual in America can speak and act with one voice in support of Israel in matters related to Biblical issues.

presto.
see?
it was that easy.

CYRUS SCOFIELD -- WHO WAS HE?

To begin to understand the hoax... the lies into which we've all been born, both of the above linked articles are strongly recommended.

The 'belief' was injected into our Christian minds as babes that "In the end times Jesus will return to reign on earth for a thousand years of PEACE" (after which, Satan will once again be released, which makes NO sense at all anyway).

To realize that this story runs on a perfectly parallel path with the Talmudic political program of World Dominion -- under the rule of MAN, who refers to himself as "the chosen"; to realize that the story is one and the same is startling to say the least.

That parallel path is not intended to clash, conflict, or cross at some junction, but to so slowly and subtly merge together that we will simply open our eyes one day to the awareness that we are on the same path with two separate destinations in mind.

2,300 years ago, Plato called it 'The Third Way'. Today, the Democrats call it 'The Third Way'; the Republicans call it 'Compassionate Conservatism'. A merging of what has been presented as diametrically opposed concepts.....

 

[zone]

What would be interesting is to see what percentage of the 60% have a strong associatability to the 40% when they are supposed to be their competitors.

pffftttt....they play both sides.
always have.

 

[zone]

I don't believe 911 was an inside job. I've looked at the conspiracy theories and they have been refuted imo.

k.....here's my email [email protected]
when you do wake up, you'll need help.
some ppl go nuts for awhile.
i can save you years of rabbit holes.


Jesus said it was not possible for His elect to be deceived.
do you believe Him?
He's the One who is Truth.

 

[doulos]

The profane is what lies outside the New Jerusalem. He had already made an end of measuring the inner house, then he took the measure of the outer walls that separated the holy from the common.

But there is a better description of the walls of the Temple the Lord built, and it describes these foundation walls like this:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigeners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And [we, as living stones] are built upon the foundation [walls] of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone; In whom all the building fitly joined together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Ephesians 2:19-22

That's a much clearer although still sumbolic description of the Temple not made with hands, that God Himself is building.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

I guess I should have phrased my question a little better, sorry. Obviously the New Jerusalem is talking about the heavenly temple, so in light of Eze42:20 what I should have asked, is if Ezekiel’s temple is the heavenly temple is there a profane place in heaven?

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Eze 42:20 He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.

I fully understand the temple of God is not a man made building (Eze43:7, Acts7:48 and Acts 17:24). I agree that the body of a believer is the temple of God (1Cor3:16-17 and 2Cor6:16) and/ or the corporate body of believers as described in Eph2:19-21. Nor do I believe that the Jews will build a future temple (I’m not a futurist nor do I hold to the premil view, I do believe Christ has been reigning since the first century). Explaining what the temple of God is does not explain how a profane place sits next to the temple of God. Nor does it explain what it is or why it is there. Would you be kind enough to explain what this profane place is and how this profane place fits in with your view concerning eschatology?

 

[zone]

why would The Dome of the Rock matter AT ALL is the real question

 

[cfultz3]

why would The Dome of the Rock matter AT ALL is the real question

Because it was given to the Gentiles?