Genesis 1

[LClark]

Many Christians read this chapter as if verse three is "the beginning." It is not. Some of those who make claims about taking it all "literally" do not do so for the first three verses.


When thinking about creation, Christians often turn to geologists and astronomers and even high school science teachers as they seek understanding. And though there is much to learn, there is much that leads astray. But for all the claims about the authority of Scripture, who ever begins there? Instead of beginning with science, read first about Scripture.

 

[Laodicea]

Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This verse is clear the earth and everything in it was created in 6 days.

 

[LClark]

Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This verse is clear the earth and everything in it was created in 6 days.

You obviously did not read the article. You are wrongly using this verse.

 

[doseofreality]

Many Christians read this chapter as if verse three is "the beginning." It is not. Some of those who make claims about taking it all "literally" do not do so for the first three verses.


When thinking about creation, Christians often turn to geologists and astronomers and even high school science teachers as they seek understanding. And though there is much to learn, there is much that leads astray. But for all the claims about the authority of Scripture, who ever begins there? Instead of beginning with science, read first about Scripture.

I have a question, the article conveys that "heavens" in Gen. 1:1 refers to space or universe which encompasses the earth.
Many might read this and think "heavens" means the Heaven where all the angels are.
Was Heaven in place before "the beginning" ? In which case, Heaven must be outside our universe.
Yet in Revelation it speaks of creating a new "heaven" and new earth ... is that a new universe? or a new Heaven?
How can you tell the difference?

 

[Tintin]

I have a question, the article conveys that "heavens" in Gen. 1:1 refers to space or universe which encompasses the earth.
Many might read this and think "heavens" means the Heaven where all the angels are.
Was Heaven in place before "the beginning" ? In which case, Heaven must be outside our universe.
Yet in Revelation it speaks of creating a new "heaven" and new earth ... is that a new universe? or a new Heaven?
How can you tell the difference?

'Heaven' and 'the heavens' are two different things. The heavens just encapsulates everything that isn't the earth (yes, space, the universe).

 

[doseofreality]

'Heaven' and 'the heavens' are two different things. The heavens just encapsulates everything that isn't the earth (yes, space, the universe).

I agree but that doesn't address any of my questions about "Heaven"

 

[Tintin]

I agree but that doesn't address any of my questions about "Heaven"

Sorry about that. Okay. In the beginning there was only the Triune God (Father/Son/Spirit - one God in three persons). Then he created everything else. From reading other passages in the Bible, we can deduce that angels were created before the rest of creation, as at one point they're mentioned watching it unfold. Heaven is a spiritual realm, not up in sky or something similar. Revelation mentions the New Heaven and the New Earth where God's spiritual Kingdom, Heaven lands on the redeemed Earth. So we're left with a beautiful hybrid of the pure holiness of Heaven and the physical reality of Earth. But before this can happen, sin and its influences are wiped from creation.

 

[doseofreality]

Sorry about that. Okay. In the beginning there was only the Triune God (Father/Son/Spirit - one God in three persons). Then he created everything else. From reading other passages in the Bible, we can deduce that angels were created before the rest of creation, as at one point they're mentioned watching it unfold. Heaven is a spiritual realm, not up in sky or something similar. Revelation mentions the New Heaven and the New Earth where God's spiritual Kingdom, Heaven lands on the redeemed Earth. So we're left with a beautiful hybrid of the pure holiness of Heaven and the physical reality of Earth. But before this can happen, sin and its influences are wiped from creation.

Thank you for the response.
So you would agree that "Heaven" is described as a separate spiritual realm outside the universe and has existed before the creation of our universe.
Does Bible say if God created "Heaven" then? Maybe Heaven is God's dwelling place thus cannot exist apart from it, thus "Heaven" would also be eternal?

"Heaven lands on the redeemed Earth."
Not sure what you mean here.
Is Bible clear whether a New Heaven(spiritual realm) is created or just a new universe and new earth?
Seems you are saying the new earth will become part of the spiritual realm

 

[RedTent]

Sorry about that. Okay. In the beginning there was only the Triune God (Father/Son/Spirit - one God in three persons). Then he created everything else. From reading other passages in the Bible, we can deduce that angels were created before the rest of creation, as at one point they're mentioned watching it unfold. Heaven is a spiritual realm, not up in sky or something similar. Revelation mentions the New Heaven and the New Earth where God's spiritual Kingdom, Heaven lands on the redeemed Earth. So we're left with a beautiful hybrid of the pure holiness of Heaven and the physical reality of Earth. But before this can happen, sin and its influences are wiped from creation.

It also sounds as if in the beginning (no date given for when the beginning is) there was a formless void covered with darkness. What do you suppose this was?

Could it be that the six days God tells us of was making this formless void into a world for us to live in, and what scientist find about ancient rocks and such were part of what God calls formless.

Scripture usually tells us exactly as the world is, just also giving the spiritual meaning of it. If this time science actually is right, couldn't this be the explanation?

Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, (2) the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

It was from this void that God began creating our world, with first adding His spiritual light.

 

[Laodicea]

You obviously did not read the article. You are wrongly using this verse.

I have heard all this before and Exodus is clear that in 6 literal days the earth and everything in it was made.

Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You can dance around Genesis all you want but, this verse makes it clear.

 

[Laodicea]

This verse is often wrongly used. Here, speaking of that week, “the LORD made” not created as in Gen. 1:1. “Made” has the same connotation as our “making” our bed. We set in order what is already there. [In this case, the remedy for the messy conditions described in verse 2.][url=http://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2012/05/03/in-the-beginning/]

Exodus is clear. It is you people wrongly using it to put your own doctrine in about the supposedly long age of the earth.

Genesis 1:1 KJV
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


This verse is talking about this earth, not the entire universe.

Genesis 1:8 KJV
(8) And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

 

[doseofreality]

I have heard all this before and Exodus is clear that in 6 literal days the earth and everything in it was made.

Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You can dance around Genesis all you want but, this verse makes it clear.

Well if you take this verse in Exodus literally then you have a contradiction because in Genesis 1, there is a universe with a "formless" earth with oceans before the "six days" even begins.
What day is the earth created?

A day is measured as 1 rotation of the earth on its axis, so you would have to have an earth first before measuring the days.

 

[posthuman]

it occurs to me that there probably wasn't a word in Moses' vocabulary for "quantum potential field," so if he had ever wanted to say anything about something like that he might have said "the deep" or "the waters."

 

[Laodicea]

Well if you take this verse in Exodus literally then you have a contradiction because in Genesis 1, there is a universe with a "formless" earth with oceans before the "six days" even begins.
What day is the earth created?

A day is measured as 1 rotation of the earth on its axis, so you would have to have an earth first before measuring the days.

The only contradiction is in your own mind and how you interpret it. As you said a day is measured by 1 rotation of the earth. So then on day 1 God made the earth and started is rotating.

 

[doseofreality]

it occurs to me that there probably wasn't a word in Moses' vocabulary for "quantum potential field," so if he had ever wanted to say anything about something like that he might have said "the deep" or "the waters."

haha yeah that makes sense now looking back....but Moses had no idea

 

[doseofreality]

The only contradiction is in your own mind and how you interpret it. As you said a day is measured by 1 rotation of the earth. So then on day 1 God made the earth and started is rotating.

Sure why not, Genesis 1:1-5 all occurred on day 1 then.

....Now where was the light coming from at this point?
and I guess the planets were done in day 1 as well

 

[posthuman]

haha yeah that makes sense now looking back....but Moses had no idea

he may have had an even better idea than we do now, but neither precise language nor wont to communicate it with. Genesis isn't a science textbook.

 

[posthuman]

Sure why not, Genesis 1:1-5 all occurred on day 1 then.

....Now where was the light coming from at this point?
and I guess the planets were done in day 1 as well

haven't astronomers been convinced now that light - free photons - was present in the universe long before stars?

 

[LovePink]

I like this subject. I am sorry, but I do not open links or watch vids on discussion boards. Since the thread is opening up to discussion, I want to voice something, maybe come back tomorrow, it's late for me.

" 1*In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

God created His heaven first, this being on the first day of course, that is what the verse and some other areas of Scripture testify to. I may go in depth on that tomorrow. Keep in mind, the announcement of days is also part of the creative process, "and God said", so I believe.

In Scripture, we can read about physical characteristics of objects we are familiar with here in our realm & on Earth. Mountains, rocks, water, river, sea, gold, city, government, precious gems, fire, light, beauty, creatures and more.

The angels were presently created on the first day as well, because nothing was created before the creation in the first day, God tells us He was alone in eternity before anything was created. Also, God tells us "satan has been sinning from the beginning"

Anyway, the first few verses are precise in doctrine when it comes to rebellion, dominion & realms. Good night.

 

[gotime]

Lao is right, people assume that the earth was without form and void before the creation began. but then how did this earth and water get here if it was not created? and if it was created then Exodus makes it clear it had to be within the six days.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

what did God create in the beginning?

Answer: it is written the heaven and the earth.

How many days did it take?

Answer: It is written In six Days.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

so then when God begins what does he do on the first day?

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

There you have it, God makes the heaven and the earth, then we are told at this point that the earth is without form and void and dark and there is water. where did these things come from?

Answer:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

so on the first day he makes the earth without form like a lump of clay for a potter that has not yet been molded.
and God adds light to this earth.

All this was done on the first day. we know this because God made the heaven and earth in six days as it is written and there are five days after the light is made.

Blessings.