Genesis 1

[RedTent]

I am sorry to say that it is you who is dancing around the subject. The text is clear (men's imaginations get in the way) the earth was created in verse one, we are told the state of the earth in verse 2, and in verse 3, God' provides light for the "darkness" that was then on the earth as noted in verse 2.

Why do you keep repeating over and over that God created the earth on day one when scripture does not back you up?

Gen 1:1-3 In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, (2) the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. (3) Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

The word translated void is choshek with a meaning of all that is without God. The word translated light is owr, with a meaning of all the attributes of God.

 

[LClark]

There is a pattern in the creation account.

Day 1 God makes heaven and earth but formless and void.



Blessings.

You are writing new Scripture? The text says no such thing. See any evangelical commentary. There is no confusion about the order of the first 3 verses. Gen 1:1 is not a preface, it is an absolute statement (G. Ch. Aalders: “this is the rendition that is found in every ancient translation, without exception”)

 

[LClark]

Why do you keep repeating over and over that God created the earth on day one when scripture does not back you up?

Gen 1:1-3 In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, (2) the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. (3) Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

The word translated void is choshek with a meaning of all that is without God. The word translated light is owr, with a meaning of all the attributes of God.

"...WHEN God created ...' This is not the KJV. This is the liberal translation. And it is not found in any ancient translation. You really need to sit down with a good evangelical commentary and learn.

 

[just-me]

LClark Have you got nothing of your own? You have to get your info from websites? Doctrine is not based on one text alone but all texts on a subject put together. Do you have other verses in the Bible to support your theory?

It makes sense what Clark said. In other words, if I understand him right, God created the material first, and made other things from what was created first, that were necessary for the sustenance of Adm and Eve whom He "made" from the earth that was already there. That isn't to say that God didn't "create" the earth. What he says is very logical, because I read it that way without a college professor, or any explanations on the web. I have a program for original Hebrew, and I'll see the way that reads, and post it.

 

[tripsin]

Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This verse is clear the earth and everything in it was created in 6 days.

But Genesis 1:1 - 1:2a is not part of the six days..

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? - - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38.

"This is the generations (plural) of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens - -," Gen. 2:4.

 

[just-me]

verse 1
בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Genesis, God created the heavens and the earth.


Verse 7
וַיַּעַשׂ אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-הָרָקִיעַ, וַיַּבְדֵּל בֵּין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מִתַּחַת לָרָקִיעַ, וּבֵין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מֵעַל לָרָקִיעַ; וַיְהִי-כֵן.
And God made the - the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament and the water above the firmament: and it came to pass - yes.

 

[Laodicea]

But Genesis 1:1 - 1:2a is not part of the six days..

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? - - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38.

"This is the generations (plural) of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens - -," Gen. 2:4.

That is based on assumption. Can you prove from other verses in the Bible that they are not part of day 1?

 

[Laodicea]

“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void and darkness covered the face of the deep…”

“…And God said, ‘Let there be light’…”
How much time elapsed in the age of the earth between the creation of the universe in verse 1 and “Let there be light” in verse 3? We have no clue in Scripture. [But many Christians, unfamiliar with this Scripture, seem to assume that “the beginning” equals “let there be light.”]
The Text
Gen 1:1 is not a preface, it is an absolute statement (G. Ch. Aalders: “this is the rendition that is found in every ancient translation, without exception”); “heavens and earth” is a merism, a figure of speech that signifies the whole, i.e. “the universe.”
Verse 2 tells us about the state of the earth following God’s act of creation in verse 1. Calvin, long before the evolution debate, wrote, “before God had perfected the world it was an undigested mass…this mass, however confused it might be, was rendered stable, for the time, by the secret efficacy of the Spirit.” [Whatever the cosmology of Calvin's day, he saw an earth in verse two that would need further work in verses 3 and following, thus an elapse of unknown time. You can read Calvin’s commentaries, free, online.]
NICOT: “Verse 2 then, describes the situation prior to the detailed creation that is spelled out in vv 3ff” [underline mine]. How much time elapsed before verse 3, “Let there be light?,” Scripture is silent. In The Beginning

This is from the website from LClark. It proves nothing and is based on assumption.

 

[tripsin]

"...WHEN God created ...' This is not the KJV. This is the liberal translation. And it is not found in any ancient translation. You really need to sit down with a good evangelical commentary and learn.

For your interest: 2 points:

1 - A pastor has said that "In the beginning" in Genesis, and "In the beginning" in John, are two different 'beginnings."

Genesis 'beginning' is the beginning of time, whereas the 'beginning' in John is eternity past without a beginning.

2 - This is another translation that I found: Gen. 1:1-2a, "Before all else, God created the heavens and the earth. But* the earth came to be ruined and despoiled, v.2b darkness lay upon the face of the abyss while God's Spirit brooded over the surface of it's waters."

* For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens, who is God, who formed the earth and made it, who has established it, who did not create it in vain, who formed it to be inhabited; - -." Isaiah 45:18.

 

[just-me]

בְּרֵאשִׁית = Genesis and what it represents in the Hebrew pictorial language
The word comes up as "In the Beginning."

Taking each letter at their individual value, I come up with a sentence of explanation.

It would read;
The the first leader is the Seed or Son that works to form and construct a monument of cross sticks.

Guess what? The fulfillment of all creation is in Christ Jesus. He started it, and will finish it in the last days via the cross.

 

[Tintin]

Some interesting points concerning creation .
1. The (deep) waters was already here
2. Darkness was ALREADY here
3. The temptation of Eve by the serpent (Satan) had already fallen (like lightning from heaven) before creation as Eve is
tempted almost immediately.

Just a few things to ponder...

Dcontroversial, and yet God pronounced his creation good, even though you believe Satan had already fallen to earth? I don't think so. He most likely was thrown from Heaven (not fell) after God had finished creating everything.

LClark, verse one introduces the events that follow. It's an important and common form of beginning a narrative. Provide the introduction to what will happen and then explain the events in detail. That's all it is. Not creation taking place in one day!

 

[tripsin]

But Genesis 1:1 - 1:2a is not part of the six days..

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? - - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38.

"This is the generations (plural) of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens - -," Gen. 2:4.

That is based on assumption. Can you prove from other verses in the Bible that they are not part of day 1?

Well, let's take Job 38. Do you think that God created the heavens and the earth first, and then created the angels (stars/sons of God) so that they could sing and shout for joy? Or did they sing and shout for joy because of the heavens and earth being created, which would mean they (angels) saw it and already in existed?

 

[Laodicea]

Well, let's take Job 38. Do you think that God created the heavens and the earth first, and then created the angels (stars/sons of God) so that they could sing and shout for joy? Or did they sing and shout for joy because of the heavens and earth being created, which would mean they (angels) saw it and already in existed?

I have no problem with the Angels being already created, the Bible makes it clear there was already creation. God did not create the earth and leave it for x amount of years. There is no Biblical evidence for that. All that is done is people taking a word and telling a meaning of it in order to change the text to say what they think.

 

[just-me]

Dcontroversial, and yet God pronounced his creation good, even though you believe Satan had already fallen to earth? I don't think so. He most likely was thrown from Heaven (not fell) after God had finished creating everything.

LClark, verse one introduces the events that follow. It's an important and common form of beginning a narrative. Provide the introduction to what will happen and then explain the events in detail. That's all it is. Not creation taking place in one day!

Hard tellin' when the fall of Adam and Eve were. It might have been years after the first Sabbath, but it surely didn't happen during the 6 days of creation.

 

[RedTent]

"...WHEN God created ...' This is not the KJV. This is the liberal translation. And it is not found in any ancient translation. You really need to sit down with a good evangelical commentary and learn.

I will put up many bibles. Thanks. But I am going by the original Hebrew rather than translations. I find the KJV often inaccurate, but translated with a slant toward the religion traditions of their time, for instance when Jews were murdered for being Jews, so this is the NRSV. But surely, the original Hebrew is better than any of the translations!

 

[RedTent]

"...WHEN God created ...' This is not the KJV. This is the liberal translation. And it is not found in any ancient translation. You really need to sit down with a good evangelical commentary and learn.

all translations say Then, not When. Although I can't see where you stand so firm on your interpretation that there was nothing on that first day, all scripture talks of something being there on the first day.

 

[tripsin]

Dcontroversial, and yet God pronounced his creation good, even though you believe Satan had already fallen to earth? I don't think so. He most likely was thrown from Heaven (not fell) after God had finished creating everything.

LClark, verse one introduces the events that follow. It's an important and common form of beginning a narrative. Provide the introduction to what will happen and then explain the events in detail. That's all it is. Not creation taking place in one day!

Not so. That is what you have been taught. "And" (or "yet") means that something is going on already.

Ever wonder why of the six days, God said "saw that it was good" except for the second day? Why was it left out? Eventually though He says "very good" after man was created in His image.

 

[Laodicea]

Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 31:17 KJV
(17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

It is something that the Bible says God made the earth and everything in it in six days but there are people saying no it was not six days.

 

[Tintin]

Not so. That is what you have been taught. "And" (or "yet") means that something is going on already.

Ever wonder why of the six days, God said "saw that it was good" except for the second day? Why was it left out? Eventually though He says "very good" after man was created in His image.

Verse one reads: In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,

Where's the proof for your claim that "and" refers to something going on already? Also, no, you're right. The second day of creation doesn't mention God declaring his work "good" and I'm not sure why that is. Your explanation gives me food for thought but I'm not going to accept it without thought.

 

[tripsin]

I have no problem with the Angels being already created, the Bible makes it clear there was already creation. God did not create the earth and leave it for x amount of years. There is no Biblical evidence for that. All that is done is people taking a word and telling a meaning of it in order to change the text to say what they think.

He didn't just 'leave' it - His judgment had come upon it.

Ruined; despoiled; a chaos and vacant; waste and empty; void; without form, which ever translation you want to use - all indications of God's judgment. Darkness - symbolic of evil.