Defence of the Catholics

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FireHeart

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Yes I am defending the Catholics, I am a Christian I do not agree with some of their beliefs but i see it wrong to be putting them down. They are our brothers and sisters in Christ and we are to be just as loving to them as we are to each other. There seems to be a hate to hate system between Christians and Catholics going both ways, I want to be a bridge and hopefully bring the two faiths together as much as I can. We may disagree about our beliefs but we are still in Christ, I hear so much talk about Catholic heresy in my days as a Christian and I think its wrong.

Im not doing this because I agree with them I am doing this because I know this is what Jesus would have done
 
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I think God will judge people's hearts, not their denomination.
 
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What a lot of anti-Catholics think about Catholicism has nothing to do with Catholicism. This forum has demonstrated that time and time again.

Pretty much every thread about Catholicism has a million, "Well, no, we don't believe that, we believe...."
 
Jason0047

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I am commanded by God (Christ) to love my enemies; This would include atheists and satanists (and yes; Even Catholics). Doesn't mean it is wrong for me to tell them and others (Such as Catholics) that they are on the wrong road or a path of spiritual destruction. It doesn't mean it is wrong to expose their wicked practices that run contrary to the Bible. For nobody is truly a Christian if they worship idols. They are worshiping a false Christ because Jesus does not approve of sin or idolatry. For an idolater cannot be a Christian anymore than they can be a serial killer or a child abuser.
 
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I don't judge (or at least try not to) the individual but if I see wrong doctrine/practice I might speak up.
There are similarly things in protestantism (including the non denoms) I'll speak up about as well.
 
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ThomistColin said:
And we are not idolaters.
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When Moses came down to see everyone bowing down to a statue of a bull. How did he react?



Well, he was angry and for good reason because they were breaking the 2nd Commandment. So how is worshiping the golden image of a calf any different than what these people are doing?









I say this with love, but the short answer, there is no difference.

Revelation 18:4 -"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,

"Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues."

Again, I say this all in love and for those who are involved in the RCC to re-examine what they believe according to God's Word. For the Lord and His Word should be our first and final authority in everything.

Anyways, love, blessings, and peace from the Lord be unto you all.
And it is my highest hope that the truth of God's Word will shine upon you in a deeper way today.


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Patnubay

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FireHeart said:
Yes I am defending the Catholics, I am a Christian I do not agree with some of their beliefs but i see it wrong to be putting them down. They are our brothers and sisters in Christ and we are to be just as loving to them as we are to each other. There seems to be a hate to hate system between Christians and Catholics going both ways, I want to be a bridge and hopefully bring the two faiths together as much as I can. We may disagree about our beliefs but we are still in Christ, I hear so much talk about Catholic heresy in my days as a Christian and I think its wrong.

Im not doing this because I agree with them I am doing this because I know this is what Jesus would have done
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I think the problem arises when a militant Christian starts generalizing the Catholics. When a faulty policy is found or announced, the focus of criticism is immediately to the Roman Catholic Church. I believe this is wrong. The focus should be to the one responsible for the faulty policy. If the Pope embraces a priest who openly supports gay marriage, then the criticism should be to the Pope not to the RCC. If something is wrong with Obama Care, then criticism should be addressed to President Obama not the US Government. If Catholic Thamist ( Apologies to you, Thomist ) worships the statues, then Thamist, the Catholic, is wrong. He is a pagan worshipper and must be evangelized and brought back to the path, not the whole Catholic Church.


 
ThomistColin

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Patnubay said:
I think the problem arises when a militant Christian starts generalizing the Catholics. When a faulty policy is found or announced, the focus of criticism is immediately to the Roman Catholic Church. I believe this is wrong. The focus should be to the one responsible for the faulty policy. If the Pope embraces a priest who openly supports gay marriage, then the criticism should be to the Pope not to the RCC. If something is wrong with Obama Care, then criticism should be addressed to President Obama not the US Government. If Catholic Thamist ( Apologies to you, Thomist ) worships the statues, then Thamist, the Catholic, is wrong. He is a pagan worshipper and must be evangelized and brought back to the path, not the whole Catholic Church.
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No need to apologize, the hypothetical is apt and I agree with it.
 
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Before becoming a Christian you were all blind and now you see yes?

Some people, whatever religion.........may have not seen the light yet.

I know because I was one of them.
 
A_Friend_In_Christ

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Amen. God does not go by denominations. He goes by what is in our hearts. There could be one or more people in each church who have not accepted Jesus as yet. When they confess that Jesus is their Lord and savior they are a new Christian amen.

Do we call them a non Christian, a person searching for Jesus or a potential Christian?

Who are we to judge? I leave the judging up to God amen.
 
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So there are like Catholics that don't bow down to statues or don't agree with it's practice? I repeat. You can't be an idolator and be a Christian. Not possible. It's one of the Ten Commandments that hasn't changed. Bowing down to idols is also forbidden in the New Testament. I mean, do Catholics just fast forward thru the part about the 2nd Commandment when they watch the 10 Commandments Film starring Charleston Heston? Catholics are not saved anymore than Jehovah's Witnesses are not saved. They both need the real Jesus Christ of the Bible and need to come out of their false relgion.
 
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Jason0047 said:
So there are like Catholics that don't bow down to statues or don't agree with it's practice? I repeat. You can't be an idolator and be a Christian. Not possible. It's one of the Ten Commandments that hasn't changed. Bowing down to idols is also forbidden in the New Testament. I mean, do Catholics just fast forward thru the part about the 2nd Commandment when they watch the 10 Commandments Film starring Charleston Heston? Catholics are not saved anymore than Jehovah's Witnesses are not saved. They both need the real Jesus Christ of the Bible and need to come out of their false relgion.
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Along with any other religion that worship "idols" (not just CATHOLICS)
 
A_Friend_In_Christ

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Amen. Any Christian can have an idol in their lives. It can be drugs, alcohol or over eating etc. It is not always an idol from this or that denomination.

People can go off the track in may ways. But we can always go to God for guidance, amen.
 
Jason0047

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But the Catholic denomination does in fact worship idols. It is their lock, stock, and trade of doing business as a part of their religion. For they wouldn't be Catholic if they didn't approve of the idol worship of bowing down to statues of Mary. Folks here seem to be watering down that fact. Using a slight of hand magic trick (Look over here and not over here) does not change anything. Yes, idols can take different forms. But idolatry mentioned in the Bible was specifically in reference to worshiping statues, etc.
 
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When Moses came down to see everyone bowing down to a statue of a bull. How did he react?



Well, he was angry and for good reason because they were breaking the 2nd Commandment. So how is worshiping the golden image of a calf any different than what these people are doing?









I say this with love, but the short answer, there is no difference.

Revelation 18:4 -"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,

"Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues."

Again, I say this all in love and for those who are involved in the RCC to re-examine what they believe according to God's Word. For the Lord and His Word should be our first and final authority in everything.

Anyways, love, blessings, and peace from the Lord be unto you all.
And it is my highest hope that the truth of God's Word will shine upon you in a deeper way today.

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True! This is exactly what I'm thinking.
 
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Jason0047 said:
But the Catholic denomination does in fact worship idols. It is their lock, stock, and trade of doing business as a part of their religion. For they wouldn't be Catholic if they didn't approve of the idol worship of bowing down to statues of Mary. Folks here seem to be watering down that fact. Using a slight of hand magic trick (Look over here and not over here) does not change anything. Yes, idols can take different forms. But idolatry mentioned in the Bible was specifically in reference to worshiping statues, etc.
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I don't completely agree with this. You are pointing your finger to Catholics in general.
How do you know all Catholics worship idols? That's generalising. I was a Catholic and never used to worship idols.
The first "idolaters" that worshipped the calf were not "Catholic" but following a FALSE GOD.

I can think of a few other "religions" that also worship idols.

Point being...........not all Catholics worship idols. (The act of worshipping idols is what God hates) no matter who it is.
 
Jason0047

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A_Friend_In_Christ said:
It's not up to us to be the judge. God is. Please relax.
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If you have any sense of morality or a moral code, then you are judging automatically. The passage that says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is in context to talking about hypocritical judgment. It is not saying, not to judge whatsoever. That doesn't make any sense. Jesus Himself said to judge righteous Judgment. Paul says, know ye not that ye shall judge angels?

The Scriptures also say, have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather, reprove them.
 
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