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If there was a church religion that killed babies as a part of it's practice and a person joined that church and never killed a baby themselves but they agreed with their doctrine on killing babies, then they are just as guilty as if they killed babies themselves because they endorses others to do it.
For example: Let's say a person joined the RCC for one day and then left. Does that change all the evils of that religion or church just because that person did not do all those evils? Did that person not agree with their evil practices to some degree?
The Bible talks about worshiping false Christs. Obviously worshiping a Christ that would allow one to break the 2nd Commandment would fall under the category of worshiping a "false Christ." Just as one would be worshiping a "false Christ" if that religion taught that you could follow Jesus and also get people to do drugs.
Doesn't change the fact that idolatry is a part of the Catholic religion, though.
Again, you don't have to do all the evil within an evil church for you to be guilty of such said evils that it does.
For example: Let's say a person joined the RCC for one day and then left. Does that change all the evils of that religion or church just because that person did not do all those evils? Did that person not agree with their evil practices to some degree?
The Bible talks about worshiping false Christs. Obviously worshiping a Christ that would allow one to break the 2nd Commandment would fall under the category of worshiping a "false Christ." Just as one would be worshiping a "false Christ" if that religion taught that you could follow Jesus and also get people to do drugs.
Doesn't change the fact that idolatry is a part of the Catholic religion, though.
Again, you don't have to do all the evil within an evil church for you to be guilty of such said evils that it does.
Where in the world did I ever say that JW's, RCC members, and Mormons cannot repent of their false religion and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and be saved?
Again, the Scriptures say not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather, reprove them. Do you believe Scripture?
Again, the Scriptures say not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather, reprove them. Do you believe Scripture?
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Try telling that to someone who has followed a tradition all their life. How will you back up your argument?
You can not tell someone to stop worshipping Mary etc etc.
Just like you can't tell someone to stop raping, killing, stealing, lying etc.
If they desire Jesus...........they will come to Him and start seeing the truth.
You can not tell someone to stop worshipping Mary etc etc.
Just like you can't tell someone to stop raping, killing, stealing, lying etc.
If they desire Jesus...........they will come to Him and start seeing the truth.
It may shock some to know this, but the scriptures say that Christ came to bring division....
Matthew 10:34-35: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law"
Christ brought truth into this sinful dark world. The truth is not in unity with lies. Where there is truth there will be the opposition to the truth. We're in a spiritual battle. Jesus said the truth would cause division among family members, among people we know, because some will believe the truth and others will accept the lie. One is born of the Spirit and the other is not, so they are unequally yoked. The scriptures speak about the two sides - the narrow and broad road, the wheat and tares, the sheep and goats. One is on God's side and the other is on the enemy's side. So there will always be a spiritual battle between the two sides.
Not all who call themselves Christians are born of the Spirit. On judgment day many will say "Lord, Lord," but He will say He never knew them, because they were never His children. Not all Catholics are born of the Spirit, just as not all 'protestants' are born of the Spirit. I've read testimonies of many ex Catholics who were saved and then left that church, because they could no longer partake in something that doesn't agree with the truth of God's word.
There is one true gospel, not several. There is the truth and then there's the lie. There can be no fellowship between the two.
Catholicism is not a christian denomination, it's completely separate. For the most part, the various christian denominations are in agreement on the same one true gospel but just differ on non salvational topics (like the end times, etc). However, Catholicism does not teach the one true gospel, so they are completely in opposition.
The ecumenical movement is a rebellious movement. It's the unity of all false religions, with the goal of peace and unity, regardless of belief or doctrine. It's just like the tower of babel all over again, where all were uniting in rebellion against God.
So when it comes to discussions here, the truth must be shared. Many find it difficult to see anything beyond a personal attack, but it's the systems of lies that are being exposed.
Many on here are knowledgeable with Catholic doctrine and not making wrongful assumptions. Some are ex Catholics and have families that used to be Catholics, some have attended catholic schools and churches in the past, some have read through the catechism and see all the errors and how the catholic church system greatly deceives the lost, though the leaders also are deceived themselves.
Just a small section of the Catechism says... there is no salvation outside the Catholic church, but that Muslims are saved because they acknowledge the same God. It says that Muslims and Jews will be saved, despite their rejection of Jesus as savior, and that the ignorant (who have never heard the gospel) can do God's will through the dictates of their conscience. But they repeatedly say that born again bible believing Christians who know and accept Jesus Christ as their savior (through faith alone in Christ alone) who do not submit to the Church of Rome cannot possibly be saved!! In their various statements they are claiming that Jesus is not the only way of salvation (839/840/841/846/847/Canon 9 - examples)
Matthew 10:34-35: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law"
Christ brought truth into this sinful dark world. The truth is not in unity with lies. Where there is truth there will be the opposition to the truth. We're in a spiritual battle. Jesus said the truth would cause division among family members, among people we know, because some will believe the truth and others will accept the lie. One is born of the Spirit and the other is not, so they are unequally yoked. The scriptures speak about the two sides - the narrow and broad road, the wheat and tares, the sheep and goats. One is on God's side and the other is on the enemy's side. So there will always be a spiritual battle between the two sides.
Not all who call themselves Christians are born of the Spirit. On judgment day many will say "Lord, Lord," but He will say He never knew them, because they were never His children. Not all Catholics are born of the Spirit, just as not all 'protestants' are born of the Spirit. I've read testimonies of many ex Catholics who were saved and then left that church, because they could no longer partake in something that doesn't agree with the truth of God's word.
There is one true gospel, not several. There is the truth and then there's the lie. There can be no fellowship between the two.
Catholicism is not a christian denomination, it's completely separate. For the most part, the various christian denominations are in agreement on the same one true gospel but just differ on non salvational topics (like the end times, etc). However, Catholicism does not teach the one true gospel, so they are completely in opposition.
The ecumenical movement is a rebellious movement. It's the unity of all false religions, with the goal of peace and unity, regardless of belief or doctrine. It's just like the tower of babel all over again, where all were uniting in rebellion against God.
So when it comes to discussions here, the truth must be shared. Many find it difficult to see anything beyond a personal attack, but it's the systems of lies that are being exposed.
Many on here are knowledgeable with Catholic doctrine and not making wrongful assumptions. Some are ex Catholics and have families that used to be Catholics, some have attended catholic schools and churches in the past, some have read through the catechism and see all the errors and how the catholic church system greatly deceives the lost, though the leaders also are deceived themselves.
Just a small section of the Catechism says... there is no salvation outside the Catholic church, but that Muslims are saved because they acknowledge the same God. It says that Muslims and Jews will be saved, despite their rejection of Jesus as savior, and that the ignorant (who have never heard the gospel) can do God's will through the dictates of their conscience. But they repeatedly say that born again bible believing Christians who know and accept Jesus Christ as their savior (through faith alone in Christ alone) who do not submit to the Church of Rome cannot possibly be saved!! In their various statements they are claiming that Jesus is not the only way of salvation (839/840/841/846/847/Canon 9 - examples)
This has nothing to do with division because Catholics are not a part of the body of Christ because they worship idols.
I mean, I honestly can't see how folks can't see it. This is Ten Commandment stuff. Bible basics. Do you not know the Ten Commandments? The RCC is not the body of Christ. If it is, then you are going to have to tell me how idolatry (Breaking of the 2nd Commandment) is acceptable. Do you think a true Christian should bow down to statues and or support their church that does so? Would you bow down to a statue of Mary?
I mean, I honestly can't see how folks can't see it. This is Ten Commandment stuff. Bible basics. Do you not know the Ten Commandments? The RCC is not the body of Christ. If it is, then you are going to have to tell me how idolatry (Breaking of the 2nd Commandment) is acceptable. Do you think a true Christian should bow down to statues and or support their church that does so? Would you bow down to a statue of Mary?
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First off catholics do not make statues or idols and consider them God and bow down and worship them as if they are God, catholics do not consider crucifixes God, nor do they consider relics of saints God. Catholics do not consider Mary to be God.
Secondly Catholics believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnated in the flesh and is the only means of salvation. Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity as professed in the Nicene Creed. Catholics believe that the Church is the mystical body of Christ and christians are a member of that body whether they recognize it or not.
Thirdly Catholics are not perfect and their doctrines and dogmas are not without error. Some catholics do abuse devotion to Mary, and venerate her in place of their devotion and worship of God. Some catholics do believe some icons and relics hold mystical power and rely on such superstitions rather than have faith in God. One must note that Paul touched some pieces of cloth and sent them out to the sick and they were healed.
Fourthly fundamentalism is not the only true faith, and until you recognize that you will continue to judge others and condemn others even while you have a large plank in your own eye.
Just a thought.
Secondly Catholics believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnated in the flesh and is the only means of salvation. Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity as professed in the Nicene Creed. Catholics believe that the Church is the mystical body of Christ and christians are a member of that body whether they recognize it or not.
Thirdly Catholics are not perfect and their doctrines and dogmas are not without error. Some catholics do abuse devotion to Mary, and venerate her in place of their devotion and worship of God. Some catholics do believe some icons and relics hold mystical power and rely on such superstitions rather than have faith in God. One must note that Paul touched some pieces of cloth and sent them out to the sick and they were healed.
Fourthly fundamentalism is not the only true faith, and until you recognize that you will continue to judge others and condemn others even while you have a large plank in your own eye.
Just a thought.
According to the Oxford dictionary....this is the definition of "Christianity"....
NOUN
[MASS NOUN]1The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices:the writers seem to find a rapprochement between Islam and ChristianityMORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.1Christian quality or character:you may know a man by his Christianity
Christianity is today the world’s most widespread religion, with more than a billion members, mainly divided between the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox Churches. It originated among the Jewish followers of Jesus of Nazareth, who believed that he was the promised Messiah (or ‘Christ’), but the Christian Church soon became an independent organization, largely through the missionary efforts of St Paul. In 313 Constantine ended official persecution in the Roman Empire and in 380 Theodosius I recognized it as the state religion. Most Christians believe in one God in three Persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) and that Jesus is the Son of God who rose from the dead after being crucified; a Christian hopes to attain eternal life after death through faith in Jesus Christ and tries to live by his teachings as recorded in the New Testament.
Christianity: definition of Christianity in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
According to the same dictionary, the definition of "Christian" is:
ADJECTIVE
1Relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings:the Christian Church
Christian: definition of Christian in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
So to those here, and there are hundreds if not more on this site, who believe that Catholicism is not a Christian faith, english language definitions will disagree with that. I was raised Catholic. I was taught to pray to Jesus, to God and to accept the Holy Spirit and all His gifts at my confirmation. I was not taught to "worship" idols, statues, golden cows or any of that sort of thing. I have since converted to being a non-denominational Christian, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with the Catholic faith as one practices it as taught by the bible, which is what the majority of Catholics do anyway.
Anyway, who are we to judge others for their beliefs etc. As far as I was aware....we didn't have the authority to do that.
NOUN
[MASS NOUN]1The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices:the writers seem to find a rapprochement between Islam and ChristianityMORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.1Christian quality or character:you may know a man by his Christianity
Christianity is today the world’s most widespread religion, with more than a billion members, mainly divided between the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox Churches. It originated among the Jewish followers of Jesus of Nazareth, who believed that he was the promised Messiah (or ‘Christ’), but the Christian Church soon became an independent organization, largely through the missionary efforts of St Paul. In 313 Constantine ended official persecution in the Roman Empire and in 380 Theodosius I recognized it as the state religion. Most Christians believe in one God in three Persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) and that Jesus is the Son of God who rose from the dead after being crucified; a Christian hopes to attain eternal life after death through faith in Jesus Christ and tries to live by his teachings as recorded in the New Testament.
Christianity: definition of Christianity in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
According to the same dictionary, the definition of "Christian" is:
ADJECTIVE
1Relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings:the Christian Church
Christian: definition of Christian in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
So to those here, and there are hundreds if not more on this site, who believe that Catholicism is not a Christian faith, english language definitions will disagree with that. I was raised Catholic. I was taught to pray to Jesus, to God and to accept the Holy Spirit and all His gifts at my confirmation. I was not taught to "worship" idols, statues, golden cows or any of that sort of thing. I have since converted to being a non-denominational Christian, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with the Catholic faith as one practices it as taught by the bible, which is what the majority of Catholics do anyway.
Anyway, who are we to judge others for their beliefs etc. As far as I was aware....we didn't have the authority to do that.
There is no scriptural support for defending Roman Catholics. There is scripture to defend the faith once and for all delivered to the saints.
Who here will defend the gospel? Who here will lift up Christ and allow Him to draw sinners to Himself?
There is no profit to be realized from accusing sinners about their sin. Only the Holy Spirit can bring conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. Believers ought to walk worthy of their calling in Christ. Believers ought to walk so close to Christ that all will see Christ in them.
All this judging must be yielded into the Lords hands. Catholics are born Catholic and most will die Catholic. Straight is the gate and narrow the path that leads to eternal life. Few there be that enter therein. There are a few saved Catholics. There are also many unsaved protestants. One does not justify the other.
Only those who forsake all else and come to Christ will receive Gods grace and inherit eternal life. No rituals, no church can offer salvation. Salvation is of the Lord. God deals with each and every soul one to one. There is ample warning in scripture about those who choose to reject Gods word and Gods Savior. Romans 1 and John 3 are two places that leap to the forefront of ones thoughts in this matter.
If I judge righteous judgments it must be from Gods word. All else is opinion.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Who here will defend the gospel? Who here will lift up Christ and allow Him to draw sinners to Himself?
There is no profit to be realized from accusing sinners about their sin. Only the Holy Spirit can bring conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. Believers ought to walk worthy of their calling in Christ. Believers ought to walk so close to Christ that all will see Christ in them.
All this judging must be yielded into the Lords hands. Catholics are born Catholic and most will die Catholic. Straight is the gate and narrow the path that leads to eternal life. Few there be that enter therein. There are a few saved Catholics. There are also many unsaved protestants. One does not justify the other.
Only those who forsake all else and come to Christ will receive Gods grace and inherit eternal life. No rituals, no church can offer salvation. Salvation is of the Lord. God deals with each and every soul one to one. There is ample warning in scripture about those who choose to reject Gods word and Gods Savior. Romans 1 and John 3 are two places that leap to the forefront of ones thoughts in this matter.
If I judge righteous judgments it must be from Gods word. All else is opinion.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
