A little sprinkle of water and ta da! You're baptized!

[hornetguy]

Where in the Bible can we find the opposite? One of the points I made in the thread is that baptism can be defined as washing, not just immersion.

Yes, you can "define" something any way you choose.... that doesn't make it correct, and it does not constitute "study" or "scholarship", and it certainly doesn't make it scriptural. You are pulling a word completely out of context to "prove" your point.

 

[IamWhoIam]

So swimming and baptism are similar events? Wow. Never knew this.

Of coarse not because you just made that up out of malice.

 

[preacher4truth]

Of coarse not because you just made that up out of malice.

Oh, so I made up your own words and statements where you made the comparison? I see.

So, not only did you compare baptism to a swim, now you can read hearts and are accusing me of malice? If you put it out there, expect to be called on it. No need to go ad hominem.

 

[preacher4truth]

Yes, you can "define" something any way you choose.... that doesn't make it correct, and it does not constitute "study" or "scholarship", and it certainly doesn't make it scriptural. You are pulling a word completely out of context to "prove" your point.

Yes. I love my presby brothers, especially those who haven't gone liberal. They are strong on the Gospel, but here they try too hard to justify both improper mode and candidate.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Making jokes wise cracks out of what others say, is a person trying to belittle others because they don't agree with others, so they resort to such foolishness. Sweet water and bitter water does not flow from the same fountain.

 

[Innerfire89]

So are you sprinkled with the Holy Spirit or immersed in the Holy Spirit? Water baptism is symbolic of Holy Spirit baptism so I see no reason for them not to be similar in application.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Purified, washed clean by the Holy Spirit.

 

[preacher4truth]

Making jokes wise cracks out of what others say, is a person trying to belittle others because they don't agree with others, so they resort to such foolishness. Sweet water and bitter water does not flow from the same fountain.

I didn't make a joke or wisecrack out of what you said, I simply showed your error in comparing baptism to swimming. The belittling came in your responses to that in accusing of malice, and you're still attempting to belittle because I called you on your error.

So, either put an end to your implications of malice and me being a fool, or don't, that's your call. It's apparent the bitter water is actually flowing from you.

 

[Innerfire89]

Did they sprinkle their hands, or use water pots and immerse their hands? You're conflating many things to attempt to turn immersion into a trickling of water or a sprinkle. But I digress, our son has been indoctrinated to believe this as well, which he stated he cannot prove from Scripture.

The translators, imho, should have used immersion instead of a transliteration, and servant instead of the transliteration deacon. Not too many would aspire to the office of servant, too often deacon has come to mean a church boss, not a church servant lol! Things like this happen...

Or did they pour water over their hands? It's not definite that they dipped they're hands into water, but it is that they washed them.

 

[preacher4truth]

Or did they pour water over their hands? It's not definite that they dipped they're hands into water, but it is that they washed them.

I get it, but this is how you arrive at a dogmatic conclusion, when there is no dogmatic substantiation in the above. Again, I digress brother. Salvation is in Christ, not mode of baptism, as I'm certain you would agree.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Purified, washed clean by the Holy Spirit.

Amen brother, Jesus explains these in the verses below, the whole washing purifying cleansing process.

John 13
6He came to Simon Peter who asked Him, “Lord, are You going to wash my feet?” 7Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”8“Never shall You wash my feet!” Peter told Him.Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with Me.”9“Then Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not only my feet, but my hands and my head as well.” 10Jesus told him, “Whoever has already bathed needs only to wash his feet, and he will be completely clean. And you are clean, though not all of you.”

 

[Innerfire89]

There is a different word used for baptism- bapteso (immerse) not ramteso (sprinkle). Baptism is a death. Who buries a dead body by sprinkling a little dirt on it? No, if you bury you put them all the way under. When we get baptized we die to ourself, bury our old sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and are raised to newness of life. This is obeying the gospel- which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Bible says that if we join Him like this in His death, we will also join Him in His resurrection. (Romans 6:3).

"With flames of fire, He will take vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of His Son."

We are hurried and raised up with Christ because we are baptized in His name, but baptism itself is symbolic of the inward washing away of our sins.

 

[Innerfire89]

Yes, you can "define" something any way you choose.... that doesn't make it correct, and it does not constitute "study" or "scholarship", and it certainly doesn't make it scriptural. You are pulling a word completely out of context to "prove" your point.

How am I pulling baptism out of context? The topic consitudes study, scriptural study.

 

[IamWhoIam]

I didn't make a joke or wisecrack out of what you said, I simply showed your error in comparing baptism to swimming. The belittling came in your responses to that in accusing of malice, and you're still attempting to belittle because I called you on your error.

So, either put an end to your implications of malice and me being a fool, or don't, that's your call. It's apparent the bitter water is actually flowing from you.

And heres your error as well, I wasn't talking of me, I was talkng about what you said about the thread, how you think and perceive what others say is exactly how you seem to always mixed things up in your theories.

heres another error you said above, I said the things of malice is foolishness I didn't say you being a fool, don't you see how the enemy gets you twist your thoughts about things.

"Do what" the belittling came as a result of my responses, I'm going to give you a chance to clean that up are you saying your aim was to belittle, because you seem to imply that by saying (the belittling came),

 

[1ofthem]

So swimming and baptism are similar events? Wow. Never knew this.

Oh, come on now...surely you have better reading comprehension and analytical skills than that...I'm pretty sure you got his point...just saying

 

[IamWhoIam]

And the interesting thing is I never mentioned you alone (preacher of truth), I simply lumped all the jokes into just simply saying they as in all who do it, but I guess it's because I believe you have a conscious morales your not to far gone with the Calvinist doctrine not yet at least.

though yes you are correct I had you and others on my mind at that moment.

 

[preacher4truth]

And heres your error as well, I wasn't talking of me, I was talkng about what you said about the thread, how you think and perceive what others say is exactly how you seem to always mixed things up in your theories.

What others said, or, more precisely and honest, what you said? Don't drag others into this, I referred to only what you said. Get your facts straight. I didn't mix up anything you said, you compared swimming to baptism, and that is a fact.

heres another error you said above, I said the things of malice is foolishness I didn't say you being a fool, don't you see how the enemy gets you twist your thoughts about things.

You implied my heart was malicious in intent and implied me being a fool as well. Now you're throwing in that satan is behind it all. LOL!!!!!! The facts are there, you implied me being malicious and a fool.

"Do what" the belittling came as a result of my responses, I'm going to give you a chance to clean that up are you saying your aim was to belittle, because you seem to imply that by saying (the belittling came),

Oh hang it up - it is proven you've implied me a fool and filled with malice and intended to belittle and sow discord. The belittling came from you, my statement was crystal clear, so no cleaning up necessary on my part.

Apparently you have trouble owning your behavior, but go ahead, get your last word in.

 

[IamWhoIam]

What others said, or, more precisely and honest, what you said? Don't drag others into this, I referred to only what you said. Get your facts straight. I didn't mix up anything you said, you compared swimming to baptism, and that is a fact.



You implied my heart was malicious in intent and implied me being a fool as well. Now you're throwing in that satan is behind it all. LOL!!!!!! The facts are there, you implied me being malicious and a fool.



Oh hang it up - it is proven you've implied me a fool and filled with malice and intended to belittle and sow discord. The belittling came from you, my statement was crystal clear, so no cleaning up necessary on my part.

Apparently you have trouble owning your behavior, but go ahead, get your last word in.

Read post 35, and reread what I said, better yet repost my post and let's analyze it, to see if I mentioned you per say?

 

[IamWhoIam]

I'll say this your guilt of joking the thread im reading in your heart loud and clear, it's ok brother I forgive you,

 

[1ofthem]

I didn't make a joke or wisecrack out of what you said, I simply showed your error in comparing baptism to swimming. The belittling came in your responses to that in accusing of malice, and you're still attempting to belittle because I called you on your error.

So, either put an end to your implications of malice and me being a fool, or don't, that's your call. It's apparent the bitter water is actually flowing from you.

Honestly now, this is how you deal with everyone who disagrees with you. You find something in their post to harp on, belittle them, and crack jokes then pretend as though you have no clue as to why what you did was insulting...I honestly think you know what you are doing. I just don't see how anyone could be as blind as you make yourself out to be...but if you don't get it then I am sorry because I do truly feel sorry for you sir.

Oh and one last thing people don't need super natural abilities to see through glass...it's transparent...Just saying

 

[miknik5]

Where in the bible is sprinkling used and not immersion? I know of no occasion

Ezekiel 36