A little sprinkle of water and ta da! You're baptized!

[kaylagrl]

Both immersion and sprinkling are valid modes of baptisms, because its not about the mode but the symbolism. Baptism symbolizes purification of sin by Christ.
There was baptism in the old testament, a foreshadowing of things to come. Numbers 19: 17-18 For the unclean person, put some ashes from the burned purification offering into a jar and pour fresh water over them. And we see how we are to be sprinkled with Christ blood to be cleansed. Hebrews 9:13-14 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceromonaly unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. how much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

Now what about how the Bible says Jesus went into the water? The word used in Greek is eis, eis can mean into, out of, to, toward, unto or away from.
We know Jesus went to water, but we can't say for fact that He went under water.

Well baptism means to submerge under water.
Baptizo can also mean dipping and washing, in Mark 7:4 we see the word baptizo in the context of washing hands.

Last point I'd like to touch on is the properties of water, water cleans on the outside like Jesus cleans us on the inside.

Stay strong in Christ and be blessed.

A pastor friend of mine led a lady to the Lord.She was dying of cancer but wanted to be baptized.They poured some water over her head. Anyone who would say that woman wasn't baptized is just being ridiculous. Yes,I grew up with people going down in the water,but that's not always possible. As long as its not infant baptism,then whether you're sprinkled or immersed you are baptized. If you understand what you are doing and why you are being baptized then either way is sufficient.

 

[Locutus]

A pastor friend of mine led a lady to the Lord.She was dying of cancer but wanted to be baptized.They poured some water over her head. Anyone who would say that woman wasn't baptized is just being ridiculous. Yes,I grew up with people going down in the water,but that's not always possible. As long as its not infant baptism,then whether you're sprinkled or immersed you are baptized. If you understand what you are doing and why you are being baptized then either way is sufficient.

This kind of niggling over procedure is what happens when the letter of the word is rigidly applied rather than the spirit.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Calvin said God he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases has mercy on whom he has mercy and hardens whomsoever he chooses. Since it is God who can soften our heart. Is there a problem with His mercy? And who is following Calvin he is dead?

I have no problem with God's mercy

do you have a problem with God's mercy?

Calvinists are following Calvin. like you don't know

 

[MarcR]

Where in the Bible can we find the opposite? One of the points I made in the thread is that baptism can be defined as washing, not just immersion.

Language doesn't work that way. Words have established meanings and those meanings do not change when we use words incorrectly. I admit that when large numbers of people use a word incorrectly over a period of 20-30 years a new meaning of the word may or may not find its way into a dictionary.

Baptizw means immerse or dip. It means immerse or dip whether you are baptizing a person, immersing a sponge in dishwater, or dipping a doughnut in coffee.

 

[Innerfire89]

You can't bail out... you are the one that STARTED this silliness.... Don't run away when people call you on it...

Although, I'm not sure what "descuting" is... was that a typo?

Lol, there it is right there.
Do you think that attitude is Christlike?
What if I have a learning disability, would you call me a retard to tear me down?

 

[Innerfire89]

The lack of manners and arrogance is why I walked away from the topic.

 

[Zmouth]

Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him,
O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luke 3:7​

Three questions to consider about the baptism,

1. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?

2. Was Jesus alone or did someone take him beyond Jordan to be baptised of John in the wilderness?

3. So why would Roman soldiers be present at a baptism?

 

[PHart]

Ezekiel 36

I wonder why this thread didn't end after you posted this, lol.



If you ever want to know why a denomination does what they do, just ask them. Often times they're not as crazy as it at first seems. This is why some denom's sprinkle:

25“Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances." (Ezekiel 36:25-27 NASB)
​

Water is symbolic of outer cleansing and purification, you know, repentance from dead works--John's baptism (Acts 19:4), while it is the Spirit that cleanses and purifies the inner man. Water is used to wash perishable things (the body), while fire is used to purify and cleanse the imperishable (the spirit):

23everything that can stand the fire, you shall pass through the fire, and it shall be clean, but it shall be purified with water for impurity. But whatever cannot stand the fire you shall pass through the water." (Numbers 31:23 NASB)
​

You must be purified inwardly, not just outwardly in an outward repentance by water to see the kingdom of God (John 3:5).

 

[PHart]

The lack of manners and arrogance is why I walked away from the topic.

Just so you know, I personally never got the impression you were trying to press some kind of agenda here.

 

[hornetguy]

Lol, there it is right there.
Do you think that attitude is Christlike?
What if I have a learning disability, would you call me a retard to tear me down?

Please don't descend into name calling.

You wrote a word I didn't recognize, so I asked what you meant.... even asked if it was possibly a typo. I was asking for clarification.

If you have problems with that, you are most definitely too sensitive to be posting on an adult discussion forum.

How about you worry about YOUR attitude, and I'll worry about mine? Fair enough?

You started this discussion.... if you want to discuss, then do it... if not....? See ya.....

 

[OneFaith]

We are hurried and raised up with Christ because we are baptized in His name, but baptism itself is symbolic of the inward washing away of our sins.

Just because something is spiritual doesn't mean it's symbolic. To God what is real is the spiritual not the physical. Christ's blood is spiritual, but very real. And baptism puts us in contact with Christ's blood, so not only is it real, it's life-saving just like 1Peter 3:21 says.

 

[Willie-T]

If only John MacArthur would refute this in a new book titled "Strange Water.*"

(*inspired by Todd Friel during a panel discussion with JM, R C Sproul and others since JM had already authored "Strange Fire")

Sadly, any of the typical hatred spewed my MacArthur would likely only serve to validate IF89's post.

 

[Muzungu256]

And baptism puts us in contact with Christ's blood

verse for that?

 

[preacher4truth]

Sadly, any of the typical hatred spewed my MacArthur would likely only serve to validate IF89's post.

You're sowing discord, slander, and division. There really is no purpose or need for such unfounded drivel. If there be any hate it is in your post above.

 

[OneFaith]

verse for that?

Romans 6:3- we are baptized into His death- where He shed His blood. And in Colossians 2:11,12 it says during baptism God performs circumcision of the heart. He does this with Christ's blood- not with humans hands.

 

[1ofthem]

You're sowing discord, slander, and division. There really is no purpose or need for such unfounded drivel. If there be any hate it is in your post above.

I'm not trying to be mean or offend you, but I really am starting to think that you don't see and/or understand your part in the issues here.

I'm just going to state some of my observances and I really am not trying to offend you with it. This is just my opinion on what I have seen:

If anyone does not agree with a person, theologian, preacher that you agree with or says anything negative about one of your heroes then they are falsely slandering them, but you are free to talk about, belittle, and call others heretics and wolves because you don't agree with them.

Is it not considered slander and hate when you do it to others? Seriously, I am just asking here.

 

[kaylagrl]

I'm not trying to be mean or offend you, but I really am starting to think that you don't see and/or understand your part in the issues here.

I'm just going to state some of my observances and I really am not trying to offend you with it. This is just my opinion on what I have seen:

If anyone does not agree with a person, theologian, preacher that you agree with or says anything negative about one of your heroes then they are falsely slandering them, but you are free to talk about, belittle, and call others heretics and wolves because you don't agree with them.

Is it not considered slander and hate when you do it to others? Seriously, I am just asking here.

Now you're catching on!!! Neat little game huh?