A little sprinkle of water and ta da! You're baptized!

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Innerfire89

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i wonder who first started this tradition........... i know its not from the bible u see....... i wish all bibles had acts 8:37 that would eliminate this doctrine u see........
They down into the water. Into comes from the Greek word esi which can be translated into the words unto, toward, away from, and to.
So they definitely went down to the river to make use of the water, not necessarily under the water.

But let's say they did go under the water, how does this verse specify that immersion is the only valid mode of baptism? And how do we know they didn't pour water over his head?

And is this a joke? Are you mocking other believers to for laughs?
 
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A lot of mental gymnastics to avoid baptism by immersion. What is it that scares people in being immersed? Is it the crowd? The cold water? Get baptized in a backyard with no crowd then.
 
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i wonder who first started this tradition........... i know its not from the bible u see....... i wish all bibles had acts 8:37 that would eliminate this doctrine u see........
The that tradition of men where people get baptized to show outwardly others they have the Holy Spirit as if it was a new testament origin, has its origins in the Old testament purifying cerimoinal law that was required when a new priest entered the priesthood as was the case with the Son of man who was under that law.

But had no authority as if it was not a parable used to hide the spirutl meaning . Possibly having that authority in us but are never to assume it could be of us,as if God was served by human hands(will)

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

We can see that play out with Aaron's two sons when they tried to make it about themselves as if they had the power . They were burned up to show the judgment of God and the priestly clothing used to symbolize the righteousness of Christ which clothed a believer remained without even the smell of smoke.
 

Innerfire89

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again..... I am using "immersion" because that is the most literal translation of that word into English...



Are you being deliberately argumentative, or simply obtuse?
I'm using the definition that best fits Scripture.

Why didn't you highlight "to wash, to make clean with water, to wash ones self, bathe"?
 
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Truth be known, Jesus and His deciples and John the Baptist mainly spoke Aramiac, Greek was used by them to speak to other Greek speakers.

the Aramaic root of mEamd (?baptism?). A person can wash lightly (sprinkle) or heavily (submerge) - the word allows both options and others in between, so any proposed translation ?immersion? can only be derived (if at all) by greater context.

Together, the Aramaic & Hebrew mEamd suggests a shallow pool with room to mEamd (?stand?), see Psalm 69:2 (?I sink in deep mire, where there is no mEamd (?standing?). I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me.?) Psalm 104:6, ?You have covered the deep as with a robe; the waters yEamdu (?stood?) above the mountains.?
 
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Your are correct about the carry over the man John Calvin took that idea as well but what John Calvin did was very extreme, he had people beheaded if they didn't agree with baby baptism.
Wow, really? Do you have documentation of this accusation?????

thats a good example of how deluded people minds can get when creating false doctrine, John Calvin's heart became cold as ice because of it.
Wow, and even more slander. Man, I never knew you were almost always in ad hominem mode! And you not only know my heart, you know Calvin's too!

Here's an article you'll just love! It is filled with lies too, especially about Jacques Gruet, but the lies shouldn't matter to you as long as they serve you, right?
 

Innerfire89

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A lot of mental gymnastics to avoid baptism by immersion. What is it that scares people in being immersed? Is it the crowd? The cold water? Get baptized in a backyard with no crowd then.
Who is avoiding baptism by immersion?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Wow, really? Do you have documentation of this accusation?????



Wow, and even more slander. Man, I never knew you were almost always in ad hominem mode! And you not only know my heart, you know Calvin's too!

Here's an article you'll just love! It is filled with lies too, especially about Jacques Gruet, but the lies shouldn't matter to you as long as they serve you, right?

gasp gasp gasp

that's about all I derive from your reaction

chill. Calvin had it wrong. simple.

it would be wise for all to really get to know their Bible and a little less of the doctrine of men who seem to have a fear of being wrong that they pass on to their adherents.

God is patient and longsuffering...not willing that any should perish...The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. II Peter 3:9

yet Calvinists teach the opposite.

that is not security, that is simple hogwash and biblical. so, no use to get so incensed and accuse people of slander. Calvin is dead but Jesus lives evermore to make intercession for those who believe in Him

Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25

God does the calling, the choosing, the keeping...the simply everything...little men seem to think they can put a lock on the door and hold the key
 
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Wow, really? Do you have documentation of this accusation?????



Wow, and even more slander. Man, I never knew you were almost always in ad hominem mode! And you not only know my heart, you know Calvin's too!

Here's an article you'll just love! It is filled with lies too, especially about Jacques Gruet, but the lies shouldn't matter to you as long as they serve you, right?
I know hard to believe :) but yea I do know your heart and I was shown the real reason why John Calvin chose his path of destruction, and hope one day you see the truth you are being blinded of as well. I don't want to see your heart being that of.
[video=youtube;ivxt0MR2DRY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivxt0MR2DRY[/video]
 
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7seasrekeyed

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It's just your lack of a sense of humor. :D

you know, someone recently said that Calvinists have a disregard for others because they think they are chosen and special and therefore secure

you make a good case for that observation

consistently

your so called humor is always at the expense of others.

maybe follow Jesus more and Calvin less
 
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7seasrekeyed

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So swimming and baptism are similar events? Wow. Never knew this.

you CHOOSE to twist what someone says

that is not wise on your part

it indicates you do not have a teachable spirit, yet, as we can all observe, you desire to teach everyone here

well, you will not be able to do so, because your posts remind most of us of a porcupine in full attack mode
 

Innerfire89

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Lol, I'm out. The ridicule is descuting here.
 
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I know hard to believe
Lies are always hard for me to believe. You seem to be sucked right into them, and when exposed, at 49 years of age, you go right into name calling.

but yea I do know your heart and I was shown the real reason why John Calvin chose his path of destruction, and hope one day you see the truth you are being blinded of as well. I don't want to see your heart being that of.
No, you don't know my heart, and it would behoove you to know yours better for apparent reasons.

Oh, and I just wanted to capture the above ad hominem and slander, it's hardly Christian. :D
 
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Very Good point about the thief on the cross, where was his baptism, of coarse one drop of blood from Jesus might have found its way onto his body being he was next to Jesus, of coarse but that would be speculative, nonetheless the thief wasn't emersed into water and made it to paradise that is saying a lot indeed. :)
It has its origins in the Old testament and was used when a new priest would enter the ministry. The thief on the cross who had become born again during that ordeal, to be baptized in water would not of benefited as far as him becoming a priest.

The water used to represent the work of the Holy Spirit would seem to be as living, moving or a boiling action, pouring out etc. . Living ,falling or running water is used in parables to represent the living Spirit, as the doctrines of God that fall from the sky as rain. Where still waters would represent our rest because of the finished living work.

Leviticus 14:6 As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:


Leviticus 14:51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:


Leviticus 14:52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:


Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.


John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.


John 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?


John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
 
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you know, someone recently said that Calvinists have a disregard for others because they think they are chosen and special and therefore secure

you make a good case for that observation

consistently

your so called humor is always at the expense of others.

maybe follow Jesus more and Calvin less

Calvin said God he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases has mercy on whom he has mercy and hardens whomsoever he chooses. Since it is God who can soften our heart. Is there a problem with His mercy? And who is following Calvin he is dead?
 
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Lol, I'm out. The ridicule is descuting here.
ill do the same, I came in here to defend you and your stance, yet you like that someone twisted things of me. I wasted my breath on this thread no doubt. :(
 

Innerfire89

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Calvin had nothing to do with killing anyone, thorcarcy like any form of government is to blame.

People exaggerate and make blatant lies, one for example is that Calvin order Servetiuos to be burnt at the stake using green wood so he would burn slower, but what really happened was that Calvin was asked what form of execution should be used, his response was beheading because it was more merciful, it was already decided that there would be an exicusion, that wasn't going to change.
 
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Its not a ritual of washing dirt off the physical body, it is symbolic of washing though.
Think about it, why use water to not symbolize washing?

The word is baptizo, not immersion.
Water the temporal as that seen is used to symbolize blood. Blood is used to symbolize the pouring out of the eternal spirit not seen .The prescription below for rightly diving the word of God must be applied or the spiritual meaning in those parable will not be found.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.


Isaiah 44:3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:


Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.


Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
 

hornetguy

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Lol, I'm out. The ridicule is descuting here.
You can't bail out... you are the one that STARTED this silliness.... Don't run away when people call you on it...

Although, I'm not sure what "descuting" is... was that a typo?