A POWERFUL testimony against Christian Patriarchy--men can NOT dominate women
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I understand and that's perfectly legit. I pray that one day you will be free from that burden. In the meantime I will cease to publish anything that might inflame those wounds so as to carry what little part of your burden that I am able (please help me to remember GOD). Thanks for letting me know.
K
Thank you,really from the bottom of my heart I appreciate it. I was blessed with a husband that is so far from what my family is experiencing right now. But I am still very burdened for them. And when I stand against it,I deal with abuse against me. I'm so glad God gave me an understanding husband who is gentle of spirit. Thank you again for your heartfelt spirit.
I would find it just as dehumanizing if the roles were reversed.
I think the reason some men find the card funny is because they're not women. They haven't had to endure being hushed up so the man can speak, or the mansplaining, or subtle societal cues to make yourself smaller, and quieter, and less noticeable. All of these are real.
Here's my question to you: Would it seem funny to you if it were black men bound and gagged with white men smiling over them in the picture? Would that be funny? Or just dehumanizing?
There's a lot of jabbing that happens under the guise of humor.
I think the reason some men find the card funny is because they're not women. They haven't had to endure being hushed up so the man can speak, or the mansplaining, or subtle societal cues to make yourself smaller, and quieter, and less noticeable. All of these are real.
Here's my question to you: Would it seem funny to you if it were black men bound and gagged with white men smiling over them in the picture? Would that be funny? Or just dehumanizing?
There's a lot of jabbing that happens under the guise of humor.
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popeye;2496750This whole thing is built on making a biblical protocal into situational conjecture.
Well, what whole thing do you mean exactly? That women look good with tape over their mouth? no...wait..
you probably mean that God actually made women a little lower then men
Does that include they must do whatever they are told? no? do you understand that is the exact 'tude of many so called Christian men and that is the reason for the backlash?
What ends up happening with equal authority is that the man,by nature of having his authority removed,would be of course Required to relent in a DIS AGREEMENT since he WOULD NEED TO SHOW HOW HE REALLY IS A MODERN PLAYER IN THE "BIBLICAL" PATTERN.
I think the biblical pattern is plain...but men take it too far and become the ruler of the home instead of the priest of the home. So what does a priest do? He intercedes...Jesus is our high priest and intercedes for us. Now someone tell me how a man is going to be a priest if he does not intercede..pattern there too. Maybe a study on intercession would clear up some of the mystery of why women become resentful
Well here is the problem.
If we go along with this,then by this logic,CHRIST,would need to be our equal as well,since God forbid,he ever "dominated" us equals.
uh...Christ does call us His friends..remember? That's truly a step above 'do what you are told' Honestly though, I don't follow the logic you present. I do not see how we end up being equal to Jesus. If we understand scripture, we understand we are IN Christ. Again, He is our High Priest. He presents us as spotless before God.
Know anyone who actually thinks of his wife that way? Loves her that much that he does not complain and would die for her? Most women I know, would cross the world for that man. Gee. Maybe that is why so many women find it easy to love Jesus while quite a few men stand off and say 'well I can love God but not like THAT.'
This is nothing more than UN biblical feminism,prettied up for last days consumption by unsuspecting Christians.
ah yes...you know, women with a mind of their own get called a feminist or told they have feminist ideals by men who seem to think a woman is just an appendage. So what should I do with my IQ 0f 130? I'm blond. I suppose I could flap my lashes more and do the Barbie thing..well then I would be a flirt. Can't win either way. I'm either too smart or too female.
Actually I'm just myself which can actually be more of a threat I've noticed. You know, one guy I knew, as a friend, said to me once (yes Christian by the way) that he didn't find me complicated at all (see guys have often told me they don't understand me which puzzled me) he said he thought I just wanted to be myself and felt the same about others.
Bingo. We have a winner. It's not that complicated. Men feel threatened and voila...it gets complicated. I am speaking generally now and not saying this is everyone all the time. That is not how I see or experience things at all.
In order for the op to have any traction at all,we would need to throw out the dominion,authority,headship,of Christ over the man,in lieu of a FEAR,that some other diety was/has tainted that biblical concept through abuse of a God given protocol.
Therefore a Modern correction of heavens pattern with the "good intention" that by making man and God Equal we will satisfy a FEAR OF the obscure rareity that Proper treatment was ,in our human minds, thrown out by such abuses of Jesus and his leaders.
I smell fear. Fear of loosing control.
Which could easily be made,by forcing human reasoning into the bible.
God is male? Yes? Funny how He has never once forced His will on me.
Well, what whole thing do you mean exactly? That women look good with tape over their mouth? no...wait..
you probably mean that God actually made women a little lower then men
Does that include they must do whatever they are told? no? do you understand that is the exact 'tude of many so called Christian men and that is the reason for the backlash?
What ends up happening with equal authority is that the man,by nature of having his authority removed,would be of course Required to relent in a DIS AGREEMENT since he WOULD NEED TO SHOW HOW HE REALLY IS A MODERN PLAYER IN THE "BIBLICAL" PATTERN.
I think the biblical pattern is plain...but men take it too far and become the ruler of the home instead of the priest of the home. So what does a priest do? He intercedes...Jesus is our high priest and intercedes for us. Now someone tell me how a man is going to be a priest if he does not intercede..pattern there too. Maybe a study on intercession would clear up some of the mystery of why women become resentful
Well here is the problem.
If we go along with this,then by this logic,CHRIST,would need to be our equal as well,since God forbid,he ever "dominated" us equals.
uh...Christ does call us His friends..remember? That's truly a step above 'do what you are told' Honestly though, I don't follow the logic you present. I do not see how we end up being equal to Jesus. If we understand scripture, we understand we are IN Christ. Again, He is our High Priest. He presents us as spotless before God.
Know anyone who actually thinks of his wife that way? Loves her that much that he does not complain and would die for her? Most women I know, would cross the world for that man. Gee. Maybe that is why so many women find it easy to love Jesus while quite a few men stand off and say 'well I can love God but not like THAT.'
This is nothing more than UN biblical feminism,prettied up for last days consumption by unsuspecting Christians.
ah yes...you know, women with a mind of their own get called a feminist or told they have feminist ideals by men who seem to think a woman is just an appendage. So what should I do with my IQ 0f 130? I'm blond. I suppose I could flap my lashes more and do the Barbie thing..well then I would be a flirt. Can't win either way. I'm either too smart or too female.
Actually I'm just myself which can actually be more of a threat I've noticed. You know, one guy I knew, as a friend, said to me once (yes Christian by the way) that he didn't find me complicated at all (see guys have often told me they don't understand me which puzzled me) he said he thought I just wanted to be myself and felt the same about others.
Bingo. We have a winner. It's not that complicated. Men feel threatened and voila...it gets complicated. I am speaking generally now and not saying this is everyone all the time. That is not how I see or experience things at all.
In order for the op to have any traction at all,we would need to throw out the dominion,authority,headship,of Christ over the man,in lieu of a FEAR,that some other diety was/has tainted that biblical concept through abuse of a God given protocol.
Therefore a Modern correction of heavens pattern with the "good intention" that by making man and God Equal we will satisfy a FEAR OF the obscure rareity that Proper treatment was ,in our human minds, thrown out by such abuses of Jesus and his leaders.
I smell fear. Fear of loosing control.
Which could easily be made,by forcing human reasoning into the bible.
God is male? Yes? Funny how He has never once forced His will on me.
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I'm not trying to pick on you...it's just that I disagree with you 
This does not work either.
Sometimes the giving and receiving are not the same and that's ok. But not all the time
Marriage has a constitution...are you American? sorry that sounds so American LOL! (no disrespect...my husband is American)
Spouses have every right to expect something in return...what kind of silliness is it to say it's a loose/loose arrangement?
Men and women are told that the other person actually has the 'right' over their body and to only abstain by mutual agreement...look it up it's in there .
So, like, I can see that going a whole lot further than the actual intent of the verse.
Oh man...I DO have expectations LOL! and so does my husband and we ain't perfect
oh yes...that has always worked...for absolutely no one.
Honey...now come on...we have a constitution. That is more important than anything you may feel or desire
or how about
Honey...cut it out...you know we have a constitution. That takes precedence over the fact I burn supper every night of the week and do it on purpose because you don't take me out enough.
funny yes, but does anyone actually think everyone remains unruffled by remembrance of any sort of agreement?
Guess I must be some sort of wild thang...yahoo
This does not work either.
Sometimes the giving and receiving are not the same and that's ok. But not all the time
Marriage has a constitution...are you American? sorry that sounds so American LOL! (no disrespect...my husband is American)
Spouses have every right to expect something in return...what kind of silliness is it to say it's a loose/loose arrangement?
Men and women are told that the other person actually has the 'right' over their body and to only abstain by mutual agreement...look it up it's in there .
So, like, I can see that going a whole lot further than the actual intent of the verse.
Oh man...I DO have expectations LOL! and so does my husband and we ain't perfect
oh yes...that has always worked...for absolutely no one.
Honey...now come on...we have a constitution. That is more important than anything you may feel or desire
or how about
Honey...cut it out...you know we have a constitution. That takes precedence over the fact I burn supper every night of the week and do it on purpose because you don't take me out enough.
funny yes, but does anyone actually think everyone remains unruffled by remembrance of any sort of agreement?
Guess I must be some sort of wild thang...yahoo
Stats Canada: 91% of all sexual assaults not reported.
According to the Canadian Women's Foundation:
Half of all women in Canada have experienced at least one
incident of physical or sexual violence since the age of 16.
67% of all Canadians say they personally know at least one
woman who has been sexually or physically assaulted.
Approximately every six days, a woman in Canada is killed
by her intimate partner. In 2011, from the 89 police reported
spousal homicides, 76 of the victims (over 85%) were women.
On any given day in Canada, more than 3,300 women (along
with their 3,000 children) are forced to sleep in an emergency
shelter to escape domestic violence. Every night, about 200
women are turned away because the shelters are full.
Each year, over 40,000 arrests result from domestic violence—that’s
about 12% of all violent crime in Canada.Since only 22% of all incidents
are reported to the police, the real number is much higher.
As of 2010, there were 582 known cases of missing or murdered
Aboriginal women in Canada. Both Amnesty International and the
United Nations have called upon the Canadian government to take
action on this issue, without success.According to the Native Women’s
Association of Canada, “if this figure were applied proportionately to
the rest of the female population there would be over 18,000
missing Canadian women and girls.”
According to the Department of Justice, each year Canadians
collectively spend $7.4 billion to deal with the aftermath of
spousal violence. This figure includes immediate costs such
as emergency room visits and future costs such as loss
of income. It also includes tangible costs such as funerals,
and intangible costs such as pain and suffering.
In a 2009 Canadian national survey, women reported 460,000
incidents of sexual assault in just one year. Only about 10%
of all sexual assaults are reported to police. When it comes
to sexual assault, women are frequently not believed, blamed
for being assaulted, “or subjected to callous or insensitive
treatment, when police fail to take evidence, or when their
cases are dropped arbitrarily.” Only a handful of reported
assaults ever result in a conviction: each year, only about
1,500 sexual assault offenders are actually convicted.
About 80% of sex trafficking victims in Canada are women and girls.
More than one in ten Canadian women say they have been stalked
by someone in a way that made them fear for their life.
Provincially, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, which have consistently
recorded the highest provincial rates of police-reported violent crime,
had rates of violence against women in 2011 that were about double
the national rate. Ontario and Quebec had the lowest rates of violence
against women. As is the case with violent crime overall, the territories
have consistently recorded the highest rates of police-reported violence
against women. The rate of violent crime against women in Nunavut
was nearly 13 times higher than the rate for Canada.
It has not even been a hundred years since women have been allowed to vote.
According to the Canadian Women's Foundation:
Half of all women in Canada have experienced at least one
incident of physical or sexual violence since the age of 16.
67% of all Canadians say they personally know at least one
woman who has been sexually or physically assaulted.
Approximately every six days, a woman in Canada is killed
by her intimate partner. In 2011, from the 89 police reported
spousal homicides, 76 of the victims (over 85%) were women.
On any given day in Canada, more than 3,300 women (along
with their 3,000 children) are forced to sleep in an emergency
shelter to escape domestic violence. Every night, about 200
women are turned away because the shelters are full.
Each year, over 40,000 arrests result from domestic violence—that’s
about 12% of all violent crime in Canada.Since only 22% of all incidents
are reported to the police, the real number is much higher.
As of 2010, there were 582 known cases of missing or murdered
Aboriginal women in Canada. Both Amnesty International and the
United Nations have called upon the Canadian government to take
action on this issue, without success.According to the Native Women’s
Association of Canada, “if this figure were applied proportionately to
the rest of the female population there would be over 18,000
missing Canadian women and girls.”
According to the Department of Justice, each year Canadians
collectively spend $7.4 billion to deal with the aftermath of
spousal violence. This figure includes immediate costs such
as emergency room visits and future costs such as loss
of income. It also includes tangible costs such as funerals,
and intangible costs such as pain and suffering.
In a 2009 Canadian national survey, women reported 460,000
incidents of sexual assault in just one year. Only about 10%
of all sexual assaults are reported to police. When it comes
to sexual assault, women are frequently not believed, blamed
for being assaulted, “or subjected to callous or insensitive
treatment, when police fail to take evidence, or when their
cases are dropped arbitrarily.” Only a handful of reported
assaults ever result in a conviction: each year, only about
1,500 sexual assault offenders are actually convicted.
About 80% of sex trafficking victims in Canada are women and girls.
More than one in ten Canadian women say they have been stalked
by someone in a way that made them fear for their life.
Provincially, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, which have consistently
recorded the highest provincial rates of police-reported violent crime,
had rates of violence against women in 2011 that were about double
the national rate. Ontario and Quebec had the lowest rates of violence
against women. As is the case with violent crime overall, the territories
have consistently recorded the highest rates of police-reported violence
against women. The rate of violent crime against women in Nunavut
was nearly 13 times higher than the rate for Canada.
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It has not even been a hundred years since women have been allowed to vote.
That entirely depends on the humor. If it was funny, yes I could laugh at it. It bothered me to see the violence acted out towards the woman in the video in this thread, but I thought the video itself was very funny. RachelBibleStudent posted a response to my tape-over-mouths picture by posting a picture of a canister of mace with the Christmas greeting - Good will towards men. I thought it was hilarious.
Not arguing with you Magenta., And yes, you should have a hard time believing I really think abuse is funny in and of itself. The 50s video was funny and it wasn't abuse in my opinion. But if you disagree then we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
And yes, you should have a hard time believing I really think abuse is funny in and of itself. The 50s video was funny and it wasn't abuse in my opinion. But if you disagree then we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
KJV.Ephesians5;25, Hasbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave Himself for it; How the Christ loved the Church? We have the short answer in next verses, KJV.Matthew20;25-28,25.But Jesus called them unto him, and said, You know the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them.26.But it shall not be so among you, but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister,;27.And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant;28.Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister ,and to give His life a ransom for many.; In this verses, its all about our Christians dominion in His way.And you know, in who's way your's dominion? You do it in the Gentiles way or Jesus way.
What Patriarchal status???
Last time I looked, today's society hates even the concept... of marriage and would rather promote gay marriage!
The OP is nothing but Communist propaganda, nothing more, nothing less. It has been one of Communism's long-range goals to break up the family in order to cause chaos against God's people. No better way than to get Eve to eat the apple again.
Last time I looked, today's society hates even the concept... of marriage and would rather promote gay marriage!
The OP is nothing but Communist propaganda, nothing more, nothing less. It has been one of Communism's long-range goals to break up the family in order to cause chaos against God's people. No better way than to get Eve to eat the apple again.
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I'm not trying to pick on you...it's just that I disagree with you
This does not work either.
Sometimes the giving and receiving are not the same and that's ok. But not all the time
Marriage has a constitution...are you American? sorry that sounds so American LOL! (no disrespect...my husband is American)
Spouses have every right to expect something in return...what kind of silliness is it to say it's a loose/loose arrangement?
Men and women are told that the other person actually has the 'right' over their body and to only abstain by mutual agreement...look it up it's in there .
So, like, I can see that going a whole lot further than the actual intent of the verse.
Oh man...I DO have expectations LOL! and so does my husband and we ain't perfect
oh yes...that has always worked...for absolutely no one.
Honey...now come on...we have a constitution. That is more important than anything you may feel or desire
or how about
Honey...cut it out...you know we have a constitution. That takes precedence over the fact I burn supper every night of the week and do it on purpose because you don't take me out enough.
funny yes, but does anyone actually think everyone remains unruffled by remembrance of any sort of agreement?
Guess I must be some sort of wild thang...yahoo
This does not work either.
Sometimes the giving and receiving are not the same and that's ok. But not all the time
Marriage has a constitution...are you American? sorry that sounds so American LOL! (no disrespect...my husband is American)
Spouses have every right to expect something in return...what kind of silliness is it to say it's a loose/loose arrangement?
Men and women are told that the other person actually has the 'right' over their body and to only abstain by mutual agreement...look it up it's in there .
So, like, I can see that going a whole lot further than the actual intent of the verse.
Oh man...I DO have expectations LOL! and so does my husband and we ain't perfect
oh yes...that has always worked...for absolutely no one.
Honey...now come on...we have a constitution. That is more important than anything you may feel or desire
or how about
Honey...cut it out...you know we have a constitution. That takes precedence over the fact I burn supper every night of the week and do it on purpose because you don't take me out enough.
funny yes, but does anyone actually think everyone remains unruffled by remembrance of any sort of agreement?
Guess I must be some sort of wild thang...yahoo
He is our example.
i am not implying anyone does it.
That is why I framed it as ".....supposed to be...."
I don't do it either. I am merely stating the ideal.