A True New Testament Church

[homwardbound]

Paul testifies to the contrary (Gal 1:6-9).

Just so you know Elin the Love commands are in the first (old) Testament
Deuteronomy 6:5 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deuteronomy 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Nothings changed as in the way of love of God from God that was not yet revealed through Christ, and today is revealed after the cross, where we are under the Law of Love period
Where against such there is no Law
Just thought I would put this out there, somewhere I think I read you asked fro where this love was written in the first (old) Testament, so I found it for you and all who read

 

[Hoffco]

to just-me and homwardbound, Elin is telling you the truth, and because you both don't know proper exegesis, it is going over your heads. You both have the problem of not being able to follow God's word, you impose your thoughs in to the text. you don't know how to follow the context of the passage. You come to the text with your presupposed false ideas and force them into the text. Love to all. Hoffco

 

[JaumeJ]

Grammatical structure.........



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Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
having slain(compound past verb) the (definite article modifying the d.o.) enmity (direct object, a noun) thereby: The verb acts on the direct object.

 

[Elin]

But every time you get to the 16th verse something gets missed that makes verses 14 and 15 totally messed up.

Ephesians 2:14-16 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Nothing gets messed up, because grammatical construction always rules meaning.
You want to futz with the grammatical construction of the passage to make it come out in agreement with your theology.

That is eisegesis, not exegesis.

So, in addition to reconciling Jew and Gentile to each other in the body of Christ (Eph 2:14-15),
the cross also reconciled the one body of believing Jews and Gentiles to God
by its atonement for sin, which thereby put to death (slay) the enmity
between both (the one body) and God.

It's a matter of grammar, and there is a lot of amateur "exegesis" out there which just snakes around through the text, ignoring the grammatical construction of the Greek, in order to make it come out in agreement with their theology.

It would be helpful to consult better exegetists.

Grammatical structure.........
; Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
having slain(compound past verb) the (definite article modifying the d.o.) enmity (direct object, a noun) thereby: The verb acts on the direct object.

Yes, as shown above, the cross slay the enmity between God and man (Jew and Gentile in one body),
by its atonement for sin (Eph 2:16).

It also slay another enmity; i.e., between Jew and Gentile, caused by the Mosaic law (Eph 2:15)
which effectively did not allow Jews to associate with Gentiles because of defilement
by them (Ac 10:28), and Jews despising Gentiles because they were unclean,
by abolishing the commands and regulations that were a wall of separation (partition) between them (Eph 2:15).

The issue seems to be thinking there is only one enmity being dealt with, instead of two; i.e.,
enmity between Jew and Gentile (v. 15), dealt with by abolishing the law with its commands and regulations, and
enmity between God and man (v. 16), dealt with by the atonement of the cross paying for sin.

 

[homwardbound]

to just-me and homwardbound, Elin is telling you the truth, and because you both don't know proper exegesis, it is going over your heads. You both have the problem of not being able to follow God's word, you impose your thoughs in to the text. you don't know how to follow the context of the passage. You come to the text with your presupposed false ideas and force them into the text. Love to all. Hoffco

Thank you for your opinion, it is appreciated, and God just love you Hoffco, as so do I tanks to God's unfathomable love to the flesh
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Then on the third day rose again, for all that come to believe God, God gives new life freely to the one's that believe and God decides who these one's are
Pray for me then since you know truth better than anyone else, thanks

 

[Karlko]

A true New Testament church would have to be under the direct guidance of Jesus Christ himself. It would have to have Priesthood leadership, revelation, miracles and would most likely suffer persecution from people who believed they were doing God's will by persecuting it. It would also be something everyone who was humble, meek, and pure of heart could recognize if they prayed with a sincere intent.

 

[homwardbound]

A true New Testament church would have to be under the direct guidance of Jesus Christ himself. It would have to have Priesthood leadership, revelation, miracles and would most likely suffer persecution from people who believed they were doing God's will by persecuting it. It would also be something everyone who was humble, meek, and pure of heart could recognize if they prayed with a sincere intent.

[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: