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[RachelBibleStudent]

Solomon represents a great sin of Israel; he led Israel into ruin. Not a fine example for advocating the pastor-as-king rut the church is stuck in.

And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. 1 Samuel 8:7-9​

if you knew me...you would know that i do not advocate the 'pastor as king' model of church leadership...

however the point is...if the lay people had the authority to pronounce blessings over their king...the highest earthly authority they were subject to...then certainly christians today have the authority to pronounce blessings over their pastors...

i am not promoting the idea of 'pastor as king'...i am promoting the 'priesthood of all believers'...

 

[ukok102nak]

Galatians: 1. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

God bless us all always


:ty:

 

[Yet]

You and yours had a horrible experience with the organized church no doubt about it. And your misery lasted much longer than most I think. So it's understandable why you post the way you do about the organized church. And it also sounds like you have a real ministry of your own and decided to do something about what happened to you and yours.

Probably the reason you don't get many 'calls' to preach in churches is because of your obvious 'annoyance' with the organized church model. (they are probably not blind to it) But it looks to me (and this is only my opinion) that you have to give place to the way others have ministered through the organized church just as you should be given place for your ministry and contribution.

You should check out Sparkman's thread on the need for church . (forgot the actual title) He has some very good things to share. It's hard for me to admit because of my support of the local church that I have been looking for a church for a while. There are a few personal reasons why it is difficult for me to get to church so I do understand why getting involved in church is not so simple. We all have 'issues'

So actually Yet., you have gone far and above most regular church going people ever have in personal ministry. I've been a member and involved that way for years but nothing like you have done. But I can't agree with going against the church model where families and individuals come together in a building and worship together as a family. Nor am I against the way you minister Yet, except that you miss fellowship with other believers and all that goes with it. There are wonderful Christians out there in churches with a servants heart who do the church thing right. I think your way and the organized church both work. It's just too bad both can't work together.

I simply want the NT model. Please study God's word in 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12 and Ephesians 4 (there I go again. Using pesky scripture) ladylynn and you'll quickly see that the modern church is not 'church'. Just looking at the back of someone's head for 40 minutes on Sunday morning while only one man talks is not the NT model for fellowship. That may be of interest to one attending a hairdresser school but it does not do anything for the average joe. It robs the people of their ministries and functionality. Last time I checked, robbery is a sin.

I don't know how you do it. I did it for years. One long log and we the people, the priesthood of God, sitting in silence like lumps on that log.
Thats not what the 'body of Christ' is called to do. The Holy Spirit fullness in us for what? To make the football game later more exciting? And that was basically the only fellowship that took place. When the pastor said ' you are dismissed. Shake some hands before leaving.' That's the NT fellowship? Are you kidding me?
You say you disagree with me about the fraulent single pastor paradigm, yet you provide no scripture for that paradigm.

Is that wise? We are steeped in traditions of men that make void the word of God. Traditions have trumped the word! The word be hanged.
I've provided tons of scripture supporting the every member participation gathering and that all the elders were pastors caring for the sheep, yet no one gives one small, spindly verse to support the modern concept of the single, at the top, senior, executive salaried pastor. Not one! Don't you think that's a bit strange. The whole church deal hinges on this one man or woman for its very existence yet no bible to endorse it.
I am consistently maligned for wanting to follow the bible on this. Isn't that a little odd?

If the bible backs my contentions, and totally blows out of the water the modern exalted pastor concept, should you not be in full agreement with me? But few are. This would verify and supply ample evidence to all the warnings in the word concerning the last days condition of Christendom, which is not a pretty picture. Jesus used the word 'DEAD'. Our NT, as you should know, has a boat load of damning descriptions about the state of the 'church' in these last days. A boat load! Yet the modern church system blindly following the blind, stands arm in arm singing 'we shall not be, we shall not be moved'!....that's scares me to death! And I see that rebellion on this site and everywhere in Christendom!

That alone should motivate everyone of us to dig deeper into His word of where we stand with Him today. It's either we repent and follow Him in alignment to His commands or we stick with an apostate religious organization that refuses to see His word, refuses to allow Him to be Head.

 

[Sirk]

I simply want the NT model. Please study God's word in 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12 and Ephesians 4 (there I go again. Using pesky scripture) ladylynn and you'll quickly see that the modern church is not 'church'. Just looking at the back of someone's head for 40 minutes on Sunday morning while only one man talks is not the NT model for fellowship. That may be of interest to one attending a hairdresser school but it does not do anything for the average joe. It robs the people of their ministries and functionality. Last time I checked, robbery is a sin.

I don't know how you do it. I did it for years. One long log and we the people, the priesthood of God, sitting in silence like lumps on that log.
Thats not what the 'body of Christ' is called to do. The Holy Spirit fullness in us for what? To make the football game later more exciting? And that was basically the only fellowship that took place. When the pastor said ' you are dismissed. Shake some hands before leaving.' That's the NT fellowship? Are you kidding me?
You say you disagree with me about the fraulent single pastor paradigm, yet you provide no scripture for that paradigm.

Is that wise? We are steeped in traditions of men that make void the word of God. Traditions have trumped the word! The word be hanged.
I've provided tons of scripture supporting the every member participation gathering and that all the elders were pastors caring for the sheep, yet no one gives one small, spindly verse to support the modern concept of the single, at the top, senior, executive salaried pastor. Not one! Don't you think that's a bit strange. The whole church deal hinges on this one man or woman for its very existence yet no bible to endorse it.
I am consistently maligned for wanting to follow the bible on this. Isn't that a little odd?

If the bible backs my contentions, and totally blows out of the water the modern exalted pastor concept, should you not be in full agreement with me? But few are. This would verify and supply ample evidence to all the warnings in the word concerning the last days condition of Christendom, which is not a pretty picture. Jesus used the word 'DEAD'. Our NT, as you should know, has a boat load of damning descriptions about the state of the 'church' in these last days. A boat load! Yet the modern church system blindly following the blind, stands arm in arm singing 'we shall not be, we shall not be moved'!....that's scares me to death! And I see that rebellion on this site and everywhere in Christendom!

That alone should motivate everyone of us to dig deeper into His word of where we stand with Him today. It's either we repent and follow Him in alignment to His commands or we stick with an apostate religious organization that refuses to see His word, refuses to allow Him to be Head.

You can't force people to get involved in a congregation. There is always gonna be people who just come and sit in the pews. Your self styled NT model just throws the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Yet]

You can't force people to get involved in a congregation. There is always gonna be people who just come and sit in the pews. Your self styled NT model just throws the baby out with the bathwater.

The self styled by men idea is what I'm against .there you go again like I said. I use scripture the you accuse me.


Now if you were to use your gift in the middle of the meeting, you'd be told to shut up and sit down. What part of the land of Oz do you live in anyway? I'm so tired of talking to dumb sheep.

 

[Sirk]

The self styled by men idea is what I'm against .there you go again like I said. I use scripture the you accuse me.


Now if you were to use your gift in the middle of the meeting, you'd be told to shut up and sit down. What part of the land of Oz do you live in anyway? I'm so tired of talking to dumb sheep.

I'm sorry I'm so dumb. I happen to like what my pastor teaches on scripture. Sometimes it is very convicting and other times it is very up lifting. Either way, he teaches on the bible and my participation extends beyond that of those church doors or chairs.

You however, don't seem to have anyones best interest in mind except your own and if some knucklehead like you stood up and interrupted him with your "gift", I'd show you the door myself.

 

[Yet]

Can we get back to the topic in the OP?

A topic has got to have a foundation. There is no biblical foundation for what you are asking. Let's talk about how we are going to feed a captured big foot.,
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's fist talk about whether or not this varment even exists. See what I mean?

 

[blondieindahouse]

Someone said its better to go to a bad church than no church at all.
You are worried about a new believer. Now we have something in common.

Jesus came to deliver the poor from the apostate religious system they were burdened under. The religious leaders had twisted scripture and added tons of their own man made laws through the Talmud putting the unsuspecting, unwashed masses into satanic bondage. Note: who did Jesus get into rip roaring fights with? The drunks, the whores, the thieves, the adulterers, the murderers, the liberals(smile), or the holier than thou church leaders? You call it.

And yes, I do my best to steer anyone away from churchianity so they won't come under financial bondage by the false tithe. So they don't live in depression because they are not allowed to use the gifts and functions as they develope, that God has deposited in them, but every blue moon now and then by permission given to them by the exalted one.

Thats not 'church' according to the bible. So how can it hurt a new believer that misses out on all the heresy, not to mention ...pain?

Jesus saved me with no 'church' around to gum it up. We were out winning souls right and left for six months before we finally gave in to everybody's admonition 'you gotta go to church and pay your tithes'.
So we did. We went down hill from there. Sweating bullets trying to pay bills and eat. Nickle and dime existence but the pastor at least was living 'fat'. He told us that one time to put us down.

Gave up our street ministry of feeding the homeless. No money. Had to pay our tithes. A powerful presence of God on the street. Never felt that in 'church'....not like that anyway.

Will not bore you with our life of poverty..25 years worth. Then one day God showed me that tithing was not of Him....it was a lie the church picked up on in 777ad, copying the catholic whore on it.

Ever since, God has been blessing us exceedingly when we got out from underneath the curse of the law. See: Galatians.

The first thing you get accused of is 'you're stingy. You don't like to give!'
Whenever a person does 2 things, sell out to Christ first, you'll get your tail kicked by Christians, and rejected. The second is, when you break free from religious lies, God will start blessing you and yes...you'll get your tail kicked by Christians and the rejection gets worse.

At risk at my right hand finding out what my left hand is giving....here we go. God has directed me many times by his still small voice to give to the poor. I'll not itemize it all for you.
God told us one time to give everything away that we owned and follow him. So we did.

God spoke to us a few years ago to take 35 k of my pension and make a gospel movie. So we did. We give away copies for free. No charge, like the merchandisers do.

God worked out my retirement beautifully. We are debt free. And blessed to the gills. I don't tithe and I don't give His money to enemies of the cross behind the Grecian pulpits. Those that refuse to abide by His word.

I now offer to minister for free in word and song/guitar. No takers. No invitations. I wonder why? I dontbwantbmoney. Never have. That makes me an oddity, a cult, a heretic according to the 'church'.

I preached revivals years ago that were of great success. I waited 19 years before God sent me forth. The anointing of God and signs and wonders followed. The pastors kicked me out. And that's when I was tithing and looking up to pastors with respect. God blessed me because of my 100 percent surrender to Him. He'd straighten out my theology later.
The pastors were jealous. Two years of revivals then it was done. God told me to stay with my secular job and He would show me why later on.

See: which pastor. A little bit of 'my world'. No cry baby here. But rather thankful to God for pulling me out of Babylon.

No you're wrong what you're thinking. I was not headstrong. I always esteemed the pastors with high regard. I was a submitted mouse.......to my families spiritual destruction. 'False teachers subverting whole houses'. God wasn't lying about that one.

Oh I could keep writing for hours.

God spoke to us a few years ago to take 35 k of my pension and make a gospel movie.

Hi Yet. sorry for popping in and asking a ? off topic. What is the name of your gospel movie and can I find it on youtube?
I was reading and that popped out at me. Im always up for all movies spreading the gospel. Blessings

 

[Yet]

We send a free copy to anyone interested. It's not on line yet. 'Maddy'!

 

[ladylynn]

I simply want the NT model. Please study God's word in 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12 and Ephesians 4 (there I go again. Using pesky scripture) ladylynn and you'll quickly see that the modern church is not 'church'. Just looking at the back of someone's head for 40 minutes on Sunday morning while only one man talks is not the NT model for fellowship. That may be of interest to one attending a hairdresser school but it does not do anything for the average joe. It robs the people of their ministries and functionality. Last time I checked, robbery is a sin.

I don't know how you do it. I did it for years. One long log and we the people, the priesthood of God, sitting in silence like lumps on that log.
Thats not what the 'body of Christ' is called to do. The Holy Spirit fullness in us for what? To make the football game later more exciting? And that was basically the only fellowship that took place. When the pastor said ' you are dismissed. Shake some hands before leaving.' That's the NT fellowship? Are you kidding me?
You say you disagree with me about the fraulent single pastor paradigm, yet you provide no scripture for that paradigm.

Is that wise? We are steeped in traditions of men that make void the word of God. Traditions have trumped the word! The word be hanged.
I've provided tons of scripture supporting the every member participation gathering and that all the elders were pastors caring for the sheep, yet no one gives one small, spindly verse to support the modern concept of the single, at the top, senior, executive salaried pastor. Not one! Don't you think that's a bit strange. The whole church deal hinges on this one man or woman for its very existence yet no bible to endorse it.
I am consistently maligned for wanting to follow the bible on this. Isn't that a little odd?

If the bible backs my contentions, and totally blows out of the water the modern exalted pastor concept, should you not be in full agreement with me? But few are. This would verify and supply ample evidence to all the warnings in the word concerning the last days condition of Christendom, which is not a pretty picture. Jesus used the word 'DEAD'. Our NT, as you should know, has a boat load of damning descriptions about the state of the 'church' in these last days. A boat load! Yet the modern church system blindly following the blind, stands arm in arm singing 'we shall not be, we shall not be moved'!....that's scares me to death! And I see that rebellion on this site and everywhere in Christendom!

That alone should motivate everyone of us to dig deeper into His word of where we stand with Him today. It's either we repent and follow Him in alignment to His commands or we stick with an apostate religious organization that refuses to see His word, refuses to allow Him to be Head.

Sitting in a pew in a church full of totally unknown people who you never get to know, just being uploaded with certain Bible teachings once a week is not my idea of the church model either but "church" starts somewhere. And most church goers would agree that non participation 'forever' does not a church body make. It's one way that many new believers start out. As a matter of fact, when a person just does that, they never become part of the body of believers in their community. And like you said, it just doesn't work.

Fellowship means relationship with each other and coming together to learn God's Word and how to apply it to our personal lives with fellow Christians in service to one another and the community they live in. How to be salt and light in our families and community. How to be encouraged and strengthened in the brotherhood of the faith. It is a wonderful thing when it works Yet. And it rots when it doesn't. So I see why you hate it so much and fight against such devotion to a group of people in a place where all you do is show up and do the time. (that is not the new testament church model)

But as in any healthy relationship with people, there is a give and take along with a commitment to the greater good and truth under Jesus. (Totally not like hairdresser school.) And if anything, proper Christian relationships in a church body means people encourage each other to find their gifts and develop their ministries and learn how to function together and apart IN Christ.

Like you, I did it in a church the wrong way and got zapped of energy both mentally and physically. But apparently unlike you., also have done it right in a fellowship and it was not a place of sitting like lumps on logs in silence. We met together many times during the week praying together and studying the Bible together., developed friendships in the church where we knew each other and were involved in each others lives. Kids were friends and grew up together. Issues happened in the local public school where our kids attended and we were able to discuss it together. Some in the church home-schooled., some churches have a school. So many different church ministries.,some had school for families. Depending on the size of the church., you got involved in the group you most resembled and fit into. (if it is a huge church)

When the pastor says your dismissed the people talked to each other and often had meals together and prayed together. Either by going out together or to one another's houses having Sunday dinner together. Kids loved it and we met at each others homes or brought a pot luck meal to add to the big table and it was GREAT. Thanksgiving we often had together and invited unsaved family and friends and it was a great opportunity to spread the Gospel. It all works as an outreach and a fellowship. The people involved in church would get together and think up ways to get more involved in the community for Christ so more could be added to the number. Food pantries and even free food for the homeless.

That's why God gives the church the gifts of the pastors and teachers and evangelists to support and send out to other parts of the community and even outside the country to spread the Gospel. With all supporting from the home church. It all works so beautifully when each one is being led by the Holy Spirit for the good of the Gospel being preached all over the world.

Sure, it can be seeped in traditions of men if done improperly and sure, that is always a danger but so is our Christian life if we allow it to be seeped in the traditions of men. Some traditions are a good thing when done properly. And can draw people together (or apart) all depending on the foundation.

When done properly the Bible is supported and every member is doing their part or learning where and how they fit in by finding out their gift and having a place to use it. There are many ministries in one church body and many people involved all the way through out. The church doesn't hinge on just one person but many. No one is a single most important person who is at the top...a senior executive salaried pastor where the whole church is hinged on for it's very existence. YIKES YET!!!!!!! HOW AWFUL!!!

I am against that as well as you are Yet and so are many here I would say who have experienced the church as it is meant to be. And YOU YET would be an ideal member of such a good church that is done right. And you would be encouraged in your gift and I could see you and your wife and family having a ministry in such a church and supported by the body. ..

more in another post.....

 

[Stephen63]

I have seen several posts about Pastors and how they should live according to scriptures. Why don't people talk about how the flock should be to they Pastor. I was reading a post about being obedient to the Pastor and most of every response was negative like lifting himself up, making himself above others, how he needs to be humble and forcing people to tithe.

Not many said anything about how they are to follow a God fearing Pastor, there to assist him in anyway they can, praying for him, laboring with him.

It is time to stop bashing Pastors, Elders and Ministers of the Gospel. So if you respond to this post respond with how the flock should treat their Pastor and Ministers who labor in the Gospel for the flock.

It's true that congregations treat their ministers wrongly. However, I wonder who let them do it.

Some treat them as mere servants & abuse them, making them mow the grass & be the head custodian of the church.
Then again, I've also seen them hold their pastor/minister way too high, thinking that making him/her look good is their spiritual responsibility.

Both are wrong. What a real minister wants/deserves is to see the people of their congregations change from glory to glory, even by the Spirit of the Lord. The congregation should show their ministers that their teaching/preaching is bringing forth real results, that they're being heard.

Then, as a result of that change & new maturity, offer themselves to their church or their neighborhoods as ministers themselves. A kingdom of priests needs to strive to become exactly that..... relieving ministers of the mental overload of trying to save everybody by themselves. Yes, some actually feel that way, burned out from the lack of involvement of their congregation.

Pitch in, & take a load off their shoulders, instead of being cheap & taking cheap shots at them. Any old sinner can do that. Stereotyping ministers is sinful, to say the least.

 

[Yet]

It's true that congregations treat their ministers wrongly. However, I wonder who let them do it.

Some treat them as mere servants & abuse them, making them mow the grass & be the head custodian of the church.
Then again, I've also seen them hold their pastor/minister way too high, thinking that making him/her look good is their spiritual responsibility.

Both are wrong. What a real minister wants/deserves is to see the people of their congregations change from glory to glory, even by the Spirit of the Lord. The congregation should show their ministers that their teaching/preaching is bringing forth real results, that they're being heard.

Then, as a result of that change & new maturity, offer themselves to their church or their neighborhoods as ministers themselves. A kingdom of priests needs to strive to become exactly that..... relieving ministers of the mental overload of trying to save everybody by themselves. Yes, some actually feel that way, burned out from the lack of involvement of their congregation.

Pitch in, & take a load off their shoulders, instead of being cheap & taking cheap shots at them. Any old sinner can do that. Stereotyping ministers is sinful, to say the least.

You say 'mere servants' like it's dirty words. They are not to be kings. They are suppose to be servants. Jesus said they who would be leaders must become servants. He also said ' I come not to be served but to serve'. Then He demonstrated servanthood by putting a servants apron on and washing feet.

Why not mow lawns? Further more, the pastors are suppose to work secular jobs so they can help support the needy. Acts 20.

We've got this mentality drilled into our heads that we are all special but one guy is more special than the rest. Go back and study the word some more. To many have been pulpited to death.

 

[Yet]

When we all get to heaven will we all still have to serve exalted pastors or will we all finally be equal, shoulder level? Inquiring mind wants to know. Will all of us be able to finally open our mouths and speak, or will we still have to shut up and listen to all the reverends rattle on. One more question. Will all the elevated pastors have fancier mansions than all us lowly sheep?
Will we still be forced to cough up the tithe to these elevated ones?

Or does all that change when we get there? And if it does change, why can't it be like that now, except for the mansions of course?

And I still want to know who told these guys they could exalt themselves then tell everyone to pay them tithes or else? Passing thoughts in the night.

 

[Stephen63]

When we all get to heaven will we all still have to serve exalted pastors or will we all finally be equal, shoulder level? Inquiring mind wants to know. Will all of us be able to finally open our mouths and speak, or will we still have to shut up and listen to all the reverends rattle on. One more question. Will all the elevated pastors have fancier mansions than all us lowly sheep?
Will we still be forced to cough up the tithe to these elevated ones?

Or does all that change when we get there? And if it does change, why can't it be like that now, except for the mansions of course?

And I still want to know who told these guys they could exalt themselves then tell everyone to pay them tithes or else? Passing thoughts in the night.

You still don't get it, do you? You think that all these people are against you for speaking out for what you believe.... that couldn't be farther from the truth.

What they're really against is your unloving, stinkin' attitude of self-righteousness. Some of what you have to say needs to be said..... but not the way you're doing it.

The only thing you've accomplished is solidifying the current church standard, for they would rather do it any way but yours.

Warning to the readers: Some people get on this site to manipulate the crowd with reverse psychology, turning the christians away from the truth by actually playing the part of the hypocrite, telling much of the truth to turn the majority away from it. In doing so, they make the true Word of God without effect, destroying faith, making God so small that He can no longer help His church.
NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

Ephesians 3:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, (if we desire righteous things) according to the power that worketh in us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

God's still able.

 

[Yet]

You still don't get it, do you? You think that all these people are against you for speaking out for what you believe.... that couldn't be farther from the truth.

What they're really against is your unloving, stinkin' attitude of self-righteousness. Some of what you have to say needs to be said..... but not the way you're doing it.

The only thing you've accomplished is solidifying the current church standard, for they would rather do it any way but yours.

Warning to the readers: Some people get on this site to manipulate the crowd with reverse psychology, turning the christians away from the truth by actually playing the part of the hypocrite, telling much of the truth to turn the majority away from it. In doing so, they make the true Word of God without effect, destroying faith, making God so small that He can no longer help His church.
NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

Ephesians 3:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, (if we desire righteous things) according to the power that worketh in us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

God's still able.

I tell the truth. For this I'm your enemy?
You say I'm making God so small. I am not. But the Holy Spirit can be quenched by apostasy. Know you not the scripture?
So I'm unloving now. Just like when I pulled my granddaughter out of a busy street. That's because I hate her...correct?
And now I'm self righteous for teaching His word? If I stop teaching His word, would that mean I'm no longer self righteous? Would you then give me a pass? Would you like me then?
And I'm a hypocrite using reverse psychology? Is the simple word of God somehow reverse psychology?
How am I a hypocrite? I speak to the exalted ones that scare the folks into tithing. I'm not doing that. I don't get one red cent for teaching the word of God. Made a Christian film. Cost me 35 k of my pension. I do not charge for DVDs. So that makes me a hypocrite. Send me the badge and I'll wear it.
I'm solidifying a church standard? Well I hope so. The standard is the word of God. What's so bad about that?
And it's not 'my' way. It's God's way that folks reject.
You don't hate me, you hate Him and His clear teaching. It doesn't jive with what's going on in your 'church' den. You had better quit listening to the pulpiteers for a while and study the word of God on this. Everything I've ever shared I put scripture to it to back it. I know that's a little archaic these days, for many, like yourself, refuse to back what you say with His word.
On this subject, most Christians will not allow scripture to get in their way.

You, as the awesome Pharisees of old, the renown teachers of God's word, default to slam dunking and belittling but you don't put forth one verse to prove anything I have written wrong. And that my kind loving friend is the fate and state of the apostate church. Well done. I see that you fit right in with the Babylonian organized church.

 

[Yet]

What was that about my 'stinking' attitude? What about self exalting men and their stinking pride lying to people about tithes that feeds their stinking greed? Why is that okee dokee?

 

[Stephen63]

I tell the truth. For this I'm your enemy?

Constant misinterpretation of posters' comments alienate you from them. You have done this consistently with everyone, & that tells us you know exactly what you're doing.

You say I'm making God so small. I am not. But the Holy Spirit can be quenched by apostasy. Know you not the scripture?
So I'm unloving now. Just like when I pulled my granddaughter out of a busy street. That's because I hate her...correct?
And now I'm self righteous for teaching His word? If I stop teaching His word, would that mean I'm no longer self righteous? Would you then give me a pass? Would you like me then?

Intentionally steering the conversation with judgmental statements, stereotyping believers..... all evil.

And I'm a hypocrite using reverse psychology? Is the simple word of God somehow reverse psychology?
How am I a hypocrite? I speak to the exalted ones that scare the folks into tithing. I'm not doing that. I don't get one red cent for teaching the word of God. Made a Christian film. Cost me 35 k of my pension. I do not charge for DVDs. So that makes me a hypocrite. Send me the badge and I'll wear it.

Not being a hypocrite, but portraying one. Calling you words the simple word of God will get you no sympathy with me.
As for your badge, you seem to be trying to become a self-made martyr.

I'm solidifying a church standard? Well I hope so. The standard is the word of God. What's so bad about that?
And it's not 'my' way. It's God's way that folks reject.

Calling your way God's way gets you no points..... & yes, they're rejecting you.

You don't hate me, you hate Him and His clear teaching. It doesn't jive with what's going on in your 'church' den. You had better quit listening to the pulpiteers for a while and study the word of God on this. Everything I've ever shared I put scripture to it to back it. I know that's a little archaic these days, for many, like yourself, refuse to back what you say with His word.
On this subject, most Christians will not allow scripture to get in their way.

Judging a brother's motives as hating God is blasphemous. Are you God, that knows the hearts of men?

You, as the awesome Pharisees of old, the renown teachers of God's word, default to slam dunking and belittling but you don't put forth one verse to prove anything I have written wrong. And that my kind loving friend is the fate and state of the apostate church. Well done. I see that you fit right in with the Babylonian organized church.

True christians don't stir up strife with the brethren, looking for ways to stereotype them & judge them all as Babylon.

BTW, I'd rather have you call me what you really think than lie & call me your kind loving friend. I am not, for we stand on opposites sides. Stiff as that might sound, I count no such person as my friend, for Scripture says I shouldn't even eat with you.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

RAILER
Greek Word: λοίδορος
Transliteration: loidoros
Phonetic Pronunciation:

loy'-dor-os
Root: from loidos (mischief)
Cross Reference: TDNT - 4:293,538
Part of Speech: n m
Vine's Words: Rail, Railer, Railing, Revile, Reviling, Reviler



Usage Notes:

English Words used in KJV:
railer 1
reviler 1
[Total Count: 2]

from loidos (mischief); abusive, i.e. a blackguard :- railer, reviler.
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

To "rail" on (in modern usage "against") anyone is to use insolent or reproachful language toward one. It occurs in the Old Testament as the translation of charaph (2 Chronicles 32:17, "letters to rail on Yahweh"), and of `it (1 Samuel 25:14, of Nabal, "he railed at them," the English Revised Version "flew upon them," margin "railed on"). In the New Testament "to rail" is the translation of blasphemeo (Mark 15:29; Luke 23:39; "railing," 1 Timothy 6:4;2 Peter 2:11; Jude 1:9). The word loidoria, rendered railing" in 1 Peter 3:9 the King James Version, is in the Revised Version (British and American) "reviling," and loidoros, "railor," in 1 Corinthians 5:11 is in the Revised Version (British and American) "reviler."
See also RACA.

Such people are known here as trolls, & are usually banned.

 

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2 Corinthians: 3. 6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

:smoke: and this was been saulo este pablo or paul
himself and not by everyone but only translated to diffirent languages
my brother

God bless us all always


:ty:

 

[Yet]

Constant misinterpretation of posters' comments alienate you from them. You have done this consistently with everyone, & that tells us you know exactly what you're doing.


Intentionally steering the conversation with judgmental statements, stereotyping believers..... all evil.

Not being a hypocrite, but portraying one. Calling you words the simple word of God will get you no sympathy with me.
As for your badge, you seem to be trying to become a self-made martyr.

Calling your way God's way gets you no points..... & yes, they're rejecting you.

Judging a brother's motives as hating God is blasphemous. Are you God, that knows the hearts of men?



True christians don't stir up strife with the brethren, looking for ways to stereotype them & judge them all as Babylon.

BTW, I'd rather have you call me what you really think than lie & call me your kind loving friend. I am not, for we stand on opposites sides. Stiff as that might sound, I count no such person as my friend, for Scripture says I shouldn't even eat with you.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

RAILER
Greek Word: λοίδορος
Transliteration: loidoros
Phonetic Pronunciation:

loy'-dor-os
Root: from loidos (mischief)
Cross Reference: TDNT - 4:293,538
Part of Speech: n m
Vine's Words: Rail, Railer, Railing, Revile, Reviling, Reviler



Usage Notes:

English Words used in KJV:
railer 1
reviler 1
[Total Count: 2]

from loidos (mischief); abusive, i.e. a blackguard :- railer, reviler.
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

To "rail" on (in modern usage "against") anyone is to use insolent or reproachful language toward one. It occurs in the Old Testament as the translation of charaph (2 Chronicles 32:17, "letters to rail on Yahweh"), and of `it (1 Samuel 25:14, of Nabal, "he railed at them," the English Revised Version "flew upon them," margin "railed on"). In the New Testament "to rail" is the translation of blasphemeo (Mark 15:29; Luke 23:39; "railing," 1 Timothy 6:4;2 Peter 2:11; Jude 1:9). The word loidoria, rendered railing" in 1 Peter 3:9 the King James Version, is in the Revised Version (British and American) "reviling," and loidoros, "railor," in 1 Corinthians 5:11 is in the Revised Version (British and American) "reviler."
See also RACA.

Such people are known here as trolls, & are usually banned.

What more can I say? You refuse the scriptures. Fine. No way to reason with you.
Proverbs 21:16 the man that wanders out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

 

[Sirk]

What more can I say? You refuse the scriptures. Fine. No way to reason with you.
Proverbs 21:16 the man that wanders out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

Did the lady that is dying of a brain tumor with no friends show up at your church today? She did at mine and I put my head on her shoulder and cried with her.