about the rich man

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HisHolly

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Uh............. The dogmatically and stubbornly long-fought argument is just the opposite. The people that desperately want this to be a snapshot of Hell, claim it is a true story for the very reason that it starts out supposedly identifying a "certain" specific, real-life person.

This whole idea was first brought up by the "It's a real story" crowd.
Yes I know.. I covered why I wrote what I did.
 
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I guess we all live with different understandings of why sentences are designed to have purpose and specific structure.
 
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HisHolly

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I guess we all live with different understandings of why sentences are designed to have purpose and specific structure.
Prescriptivism vs descriptivism..
 

John146

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True. With that being said, in the scripture referred to (Luke18:18), Jesus was being asked a question by a certain ruler...not by a certain parable.
Yes, Jesus was approached by a man, a certain young ruler. Jesus was not story telling. That was an actual event. I'm talking about when Jesus tells a story and being able to determine if it's a parable or a real event.
 
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pottersclay

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just off the top of my head but am going to look further into this when using the term certain man or certain ruler could it be because this is Luke writing some years after Jesus had ascended and perhaps names were forgotten and the holy spirit saw fit not to bring attention to a specific person? Dr. Luke never walked with Jesus or even ment him in the physical but was investigating to find out the truth some 30 yrs later I think. Just a thought but as you sharpen your swords I am seeing a lot of reference to the book of Luke.
 
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Yes, Jesus was approached by a man, a certain young ruler. Jesus was not story telling. That was an actual event. I'm talking about when Jesus tells a story and being able to determine if it's a parable or a real event.
Gotcha brother. My misunderstanding.
 

Zmouth

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Dr. Luke never walked with Jesus or even ment him in the physical but was investigating to find out the truth some 30 yrs later I think.
Actually the scholars say the the author of the Gospel of Luke was more likely Paul than Luke since they date the time of the writings from 90 A.D. - 150 A.D. Source: Gospel of Luke

The certain young rich ruler referenced in the Gospels of Luke, Mark, & Matthew would have been Gaius who was a member of the hours of rulers of the Roman Julio-Claudian dynasty. While he would have been around the age of 18 at the time referenced in the Gospels, this rich young ruler would later be known as Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, the Emperor of Roman Empire who only ruled from 37 A.D. to 41 A.D. (3 years 10 months) when he was assassinated.


Of course Paul who claims that he was not called to baptise anyone 1 Cor 1:17 "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:" However, as Paul wrote in Romans 6:3, "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" It is written in 1 Cor 1:14; I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; So it should be obvious that it wasn't meant to be taken literally regarding the being baptised into death part.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hi Zmouth,

In my first book, O Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach, until the day He was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles He had chosen. After His suffering, He presented Himself to them with many convincing proofs that He was alive. He appeared to them over a span of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. " (Acts 1:1)

"Many have undertaken to compose an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by the initial eyewitnesses and servants of the word. Therefore, having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught."

It appears that, the writer of Acts was the same writer of Luke, writing to the same person of Theophilus. That said, the book of Luke is credited with the writer of the same name and he is writing to the same person in Acts, Theophilus. Also, both the books of Luke and Acts display none of the characteristics of Paul's writing. (Luke 1:1)

Just saying ....
 
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Acts 2:31 . . his soul was not left in hell

The Greek word for "hell" in that verse is haides (hah'-dace) which essential
means: unseen; ie: the netherworld.

Haides (a.k.a. hades) is borrowed from Greek mythology. It refers to the
afterlife situation of all the dead, both the good dead and the bad dead.

Hades is divided into sections where the souls of the dead are assigned
in accordance with the quality of their pre-death existence. The worst
section is a deep abys called Tartarus; which is utilized in the New
Testament at 2Pet 2:4.

According to Luke 23:43, the section of hades in which Christ reposed for
three days and nights is a paradise.

There's more than one paradise in the New Testament. There's one down in
the netherworld (Matt 12:40). There's another located in a celestial region
that Paul labeled the third heaven (2Cor 12:2-4). And yet another is located
in a place called the paradise of God. (Rev 2:7)

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There are four places in the underworld.
[1]The place where the departed righteous went to, Lk 16: 22 and the end of v 25. Abraham's bosom, v23.
[2]The place where the unrighteous go. Lk 16: 23--25. Hell, [Hades]
[3]The place for the fallen angels, 2 Pet 2: 4. Jude 6. Hell, [Tartarus], This is the prison that Jesus proclaimed His victory over the devil, to the fallen angels. 1 Pet 3: 19. After Jesus was made alive in His Spirit, [In hell, Hades], V18.
[4]Hell, [Gehenna] The lake of fire. Rev 20: 14. Matt 10: 28.

PS, Now the departed righteous go to heaven, 2 Cor 5: 1-8. Phil 1: 23. Rev 6: 9. Rev 7: 9-15.