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What seems to be sick is you.
I am 71 and my wife is only three years younger. She is afraid of having any strangers staying in our little house.
And you can shut your rattling trap about her being "repulsed."
Nor have I ever made a remark about their "hygiene." I said I did not know their personal habits (the ones we took to motels.), whether they were homosexual, or not.
Nor did I laugh about you reading the Bible. I asked why you told others to do differently, and get THEIR information from Google.
I am 71 and my wife is only three years younger. She is afraid of having any strangers staying in our little house.
And you can shut your rattling trap about her being "repulsed."
Nor have I ever made a remark about their "hygiene." I said I did not know their personal habits (the ones we took to motels.), whether they were homosexual, or not.
Nor did I laugh about you reading the Bible. I asked why you told others to do differently, and get THEIR information from Google.
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Oh please, you very well you could have said to me "May I PM you"? and your just saying that now because you were just made aware to day that I told Hornetguy (openly) on the Twelve apsotles thread that I had my PM's open to contacts and had thought I changed them back and failed to
See, the problem is is DISCUSSION follks want you to discuss not because they care, but because they look to find fault with you and to argue, thats what you did, wait for someone to question me, I answer honestly (to them) and you go after me for the word of God, same with the google, did it again, never even thought its against the rules of this forum to refer someone to another christian site, but a google search on that topic will take her there where I know there are threads on this and she could look at everything. Again, same with the PM thing, wait till I reveal it honrnetguy then use it as an excuse against me, "I get" the game, but dont want to hear from you in private or otherwise Im not buying what your trying to pass of as being Jesus Christ, you trumpeted what you did, and you laughed at who you stated that helping might actually show Gods love, then mocked it, you are over 70 years old, I would expect that from unbelieving teenager.
Dont ever PM me, and your poor excuse to all of this has nothing to to with avoiding PM's from false brethren I dont wish to entertain privately.
See, the problem is is DISCUSSION follks want you to discuss not because they care, but because they look to find fault with you and to argue, thats what you did, wait for someone to question me, I answer honestly (to them) and you go after me for the word of God, same with the google, did it again, never even thought its against the rules of this forum to refer someone to another christian site, but a google search on that topic will take her there where I know there are threads on this and she could look at everything. Again, same with the PM thing, wait till I reveal it honrnetguy then use it as an excuse against me, "I get" the game, but dont want to hear from you in private or otherwise Im not buying what your trying to pass of as being Jesus Christ, you trumpeted what you did, and you laughed at who you stated that helping might actually show Gods love, then mocked it, you are over 70 years old, I would expect that from unbelieving teenager.
Dont ever PM me, and your poor excuse to all of this has nothing to to with avoiding PM's from false brethren I dont wish to entertain privately.
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You right Will you didnt laugh
LOL here just means lying out loud
LOL here just means lying out loud
Ignore is for ignoring your words, it has nothing to do with you seeing mine that is what your own ignore button is for, so why would it?
Who said there was very bad people here and why would I ever speak of you, when you dont occupy my thoughts at all, and I havent doen so but to you
On the delegate the aurthority thread concerning my only book being the word of God
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/138034-delegated-authority-2.html#post2676422
Your exact words
Originally Posted by Willie-T
A whole lot has been explained right there. LOL
And here on Deep theology made simple concerning what would the love of God look like
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137968-deep-theology-made-simple-3.html#post2673274
Your words were
Originally Posted by Willie-T
Maybe bringing a homeless homosexual wino home with you to stay in one of your warm rooms?
You initiated both of these in the context of the word of God and the Love of God
Laughed at me in the one, and defined it in the other as bringing to our home" a homeless homosexual wino" even when you wont open your own to one (this is in DEEP theology made SIMPLE).
I always provide links and clips, I might get personal hygeine and personal habits backwards or repulsed verses rejected (concerning a your wife's adversions) but you tell me shes a woman as if I dont know what being one is (which is strange).
So you are on ignore, hereon out then
Who said there was very bad people here and why would I ever speak of you, when you dont occupy my thoughts at all, and I havent doen so but to you
On the delegate the aurthority thread concerning my only book being the word of God
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/138034-delegated-authority-2.html#post2676422
Your exact words
A whole lot has been explained right there. LOL
And here on Deep theology made simple concerning what would the love of God look like
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137968-deep-theology-made-simple-3.html#post2673274
Your words were
Originally Posted by Willie-T
Maybe bringing a homeless homosexual wino home with you to stay in one of your warm rooms?
You initiated both of these in the context of the word of God and the Love of God
Laughed at me in the one, and defined it in the other as bringing to our home" a homeless homosexual wino" even when you wont open your own to one (this is in DEEP theology made SIMPLE).
I always provide links and clips, I might get personal hygeine and personal habits backwards or repulsed verses rejected (concerning a your wife's adversions) but you tell me shes a woman as if I dont know what being one is (which is strange).
So you are on ignore, hereon out then
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I would think we would have to listen to what the Bible conveys to our minds as in; Let this mind (Christ’s) be in us. The moment a person leaves this realm under the sun its Alzheimer’s for everyone, the believer as well as one of does not have the Spirit of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
If we look at Luke 16 as not a parable then when a person does pass they still have a reward, seeing they are still conversing as if they still had a portion here. Their memory is simply gone.
I see that a little differently
It’s not our memory of them that perishes forever .I could not imagine the problems that would make. If every person we knew when they departed that we would have no recollection of them at all.
It would appear we are informed that could never happen, by looking at a few references.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; “neither have they” any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecc 9:5
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
In another portion we are informed to remember (act in accordance ) to those days when Alzheimer’s along with other deceases that show we live in a corrupted body that is leading towards total destruction or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it
Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 12:1
The believer will awaken at the sound of the last trump because he has been given a new spirit. Not one that has been reconditioned.
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh
They will receive their new incorruptible bodies .Corruption does not inherit incorruption.
Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ .They will not rise to new life, ever again.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
If we look at Luke 16 as not a parable then when a person does pass they still have a reward, seeing they are still conversing as if they still had a portion here. Their memory is simply gone.
I see that a little differently
It’s not our memory of them that perishes forever .I could not imagine the problems that would make. If every person we knew when they departed that we would have no recollection of them at all.
It would appear we are informed that could never happen, by looking at a few references.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; “neither have they” any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecc 9:5
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
In another portion we are informed to remember (act in accordance ) to those days when Alzheimer’s along with other deceases that show we live in a corrupted body that is leading towards total destruction or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it
Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 12:1
The believer will awaken at the sound of the last trump because he has been given a new spirit. Not one that has been reconditioned.
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh
They will receive their new incorruptible bodies .Corruption does not inherit incorruption.
Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ .They will not rise to new life, ever again.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
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I get what you are saying and again, I just always try to know what is right/true and I have changed my mind ( you know, repented) many times over the years as I have walked on this earth
I was saved in and grew up in, a very simplistic church that majored on salvation and minored on just about everything else except for thou shalt not smoke, drink or go swimming on Sunday
I am afraid I disappointed them in all those respects. However, they short changed me and everyone else far worse in not instructing us in all the scriptures.
Sure, I have a favorite translation, but I sure do not use just one
I agree if you are 'asleep' you would not know how much time had passed and this is a subject I never really studied very much...just grew up being taught that we were all going to be sucked off the planet before anything really bad happened and other things I long ago stopped believing and realized were only idealized and simplistic versions of a gospel that the Bible does not support
Hello LauenTM,
We understand from scripture that at the time of death, the spirit departs and goes immediately to be in the presence of the Lord and is conscious and aware. This garbage about the comma being in the wrong place was invented by those who believe in soul sleep and so they had to circumvent the scripture where Jesus is saying to the man "today you will be with me in paradise." Willie is just repeating this false teaching. Sleep/death is only referring to the body and not to the soul/spirit, which is very much conscious and aware. At the resurrection, the spirits of those who will have gone to be with the Lord will be reunited with their resurrected bodies. One of the truths that the rich man and Lazarus teach is that the spirit is conscious and aware after the death of the body and there there is punishment for the wicked.
Another example of conscious awareness of the soul after death is demonstrated at the opening of the 5th seal where the souls under the altar in heaven who had been killed are seen asking the Lord how long it will be before he avenges their deaths upon those on the earth, where they are then told to wait a little longer. I would suggest reading the word of God for yourself because there are many false teachings out in the world and this is one of them.
We understand from scripture that at the time of death, the spirit departs and goes immediately to be in the presence of the Lord and is conscious and aware. This garbage about the comma being in the wrong place was invented by those who believe in soul sleep and so they had to circumvent the scripture where Jesus is saying to the man "today you will be with me in paradise." Willie is just repeating this false teaching. Sleep/death is only referring to the body and not to the soul/spirit, which is very much conscious and aware. At the resurrection, the spirits of those who will have gone to be with the Lord will be reunited with their resurrected bodies. One of the truths that the rich man and Lazarus teach is that the spirit is conscious and aware after the death of the body and there there is punishment for the wicked.
Another example of conscious awareness of the soul after death is demonstrated at the opening of the 5th seal where the souls under the altar in heaven who had been killed are seen asking the Lord how long it will be before he avenges their deaths upon those on the earth, where they are then told to wait a little longer. I would suggest reading the word of God for yourself because there are many false teachings out in the world and this is one of them.
That should apply to everyone as our way of exulting Him and not venerating each other in false pride.
We can hear our opinions as commentaries from each other. But our faith must be in respect to the faith of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
Although God has placed teachers in the church, they like the fathers are not to be called as a title Teacher or Father. For one is our Father in heaven who teaches all.
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
The warning in respect to the antichrist is that men say we must need men to teach us. It’s there that Satan gets his foot in the door. Trying to make the things of God, the same as the things of men.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mat 16:22
For the believer as it (the faith of God) teaches us we abide in him. So it’s not so much that we have not heard the private interpretations of others in many books but we do not know God after the private interpretations as personal commentaries of men. But do know him in respect to His interpretation (the bible) he gives us, as one who was there working in the affairs of men, as in all good things work according to Him who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure.
.First things first.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any "private interpretation".For the prophecy (God’s interpretation) came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Pe 1:20
Again we are directly informed that we hear God, as the things of God, His interpretation and not men as the things of men the private interpretations as commentaries of what they think he is personally trying to teach us.
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Joh 6:45
The warning of the antichrsits...
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the “same anointing” teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26
We can hear our opinions as commentaries from each other. But our faith must be in respect to the faith of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
Although God has placed teachers in the church, they like the fathers are not to be called as a title Teacher or Father. For one is our Father in heaven who teaches all.
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
The warning in respect to the antichrist is that men say we must need men to teach us. It’s there that Satan gets his foot in the door. Trying to make the things of God, the same as the things of men.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mat 16:22
For the believer as it (the faith of God) teaches us we abide in him. So it’s not so much that we have not heard the private interpretations of others in many books but we do not know God after the private interpretations as personal commentaries of men. But do know him in respect to His interpretation (the bible) he gives us, as one who was there working in the affairs of men, as in all good things work according to Him who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure.
.First things first.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any "private interpretation".For the prophecy (God’s interpretation) came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Pe 1:20
Again we are directly informed that we hear God, as the things of God, His interpretation and not men as the things of men the private interpretations as commentaries of what they think he is personally trying to teach us.
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Joh 6:45
The warning of the antichrsits...
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the “same anointing” teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26
Conscience and aware of what?
It would seem you are setting up the premise for worshiping disembodied workers with a familiar spirit, called necromancy .It’s what the Catholics do with their legion of patron saints. They also do not approve of what you call soul sleep .
The very scriptures that should give them comfort, because they ignore the teaching on soul sleep should rather send chill down their spine when hearing the gulf fixed between this life and the new has been breached.... making God the liar.
No one said the person who was promised paradise is not asleep like the rest of the saints that leave this realm under the sun .Its Alzheimer’s for them as it will be for the ones that remain alive on earth are reigning with Christ, when together in the twinkling of the eye both receive their new incorruptible bodies .Corruption does not inherit the incorruptible.
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead (asleep) in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1Th 4:13-18
It would seem you are setting up the premise for worshiping disembodied workers with a familiar spirit, called necromancy .It’s what the Catholics do with their legion of patron saints. They also do not approve of what you call soul sleep .
The very scriptures that should give them comfort, because they ignore the teaching on soul sleep should rather send chill down their spine when hearing the gulf fixed between this life and the new has been breached.... making God the liar.
No one said the person who was promised paradise is not asleep like the rest of the saints that leave this realm under the sun .Its Alzheimer’s for them as it will be for the ones that remain alive on earth are reigning with Christ, when together in the twinkling of the eye both receive their new incorruptible bodies .Corruption does not inherit the incorruptible.
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead (asleep) in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1Th 4:13-18