about the rich man

[Willie-T]

Willie, I've read your first sentence five times and can't make it out. Sorry bro.

That's OK. It's the same desire modern people have to apply Jesus' warning of the destruction of Jerusalem, not to them, but to us, today.... despite the fact that He told THOSE people standing there listening to Him, that some of them would still be alive when what He was predicting would SOON happen.... (which it did....... exactly as He said, within that generation.)

In the same way, the words are there, and clear, but in our eagerness to know what Hell looks like, we butcher His entire meaning and intent in telling the PARABLE.

 

[Willie-T]

Great! Now I have to go look up the meaning of disconnected verbosity.

Actually, that sounds like a cool username.

It means flooding the screen with a lot of words to hide the act of actually saying nothing.

 

[Utah]

That's OK. It's the same desire modern people have to apply Jesus' warning of the destruction of Jerusalem, not to them, but to us, today.... despite the fact that He told THOSE people standing there listening to Him, that some of them would still be alive when what He was predicting would SOON happen.... (which it did....... exactly as He said, within that generation.)

In the same way, the words are there, and clear, but in our eagerness to know what Hell looks like, we butcher His entire meaning and intent in telling the PARABLE.

Thanks man. I've always believed the story to be factual but you make a good point. I have to ponder this for a while, both in Scripture and in prayer. Blessings always, bro.

 

[Willie-T]

Thanks man. I've always believed the story to be factual but you make a good point. I have to ponder this for a while, both in Scripture and in prayer. Blessings always, bro.

Check your mail.

 

[HisHolly]

That's OK. It's the same desire modern people have to apply Jesus' warning of the destruction of Jerusalem, not to them, but to us, today.... despite the fact that He told THOSE people standing there listening to Him, that some of them would still be alive when what He was predicting would SOON happen.... (which it did....... exactly as He said, within that generation.)

In the same way, the words are there, and clear, but in our eagerness to know what Hell looks like, we butcher His entire meaning and intent in telling the PARABLE.

I've asked all types of questions which you continue to avoid answering. All parables are applicable to us today.. if indeed it is a parable and one of Judah and his 5 brothers please explain how we apply it..

If you don't mind I'd appreciate the other questions answered..

 

[Willie-T]

Ab is called father by many. If it were in fact Judah why not talk like family? He said I have 5 brothers like Ab wouldn't have known. And again why leave out the others?

confused

OK, I guess this is one of the "questions" you said I didn't answer........

Even though you used a question mark, I really don't see a true question here.

It seems to me that you are asking a non-question..... IF you believe these were real people talking to one another. You, yourself, just stated that the real Abraham would have known each of his brothers (I guess that is what you said...... no matter WHO he was), so there would not be a reason to even mention that point...... unless Jesus was trying to drive home a point to the listeners of His parable. And that point was, "No matter WHICH sect of Judaism you belong to, it is not going to do you any good if you refuse Christ."

 

[Willie-T]

It's not about judgement. It's about a holding place until.

If it's graves we reside in until being raised.. for one the unbeliever are never mentioned as being raised.. side note
Those who are cremated go where?

I guess this is another of your "questions?"

I didn't even think this was a serious question since we are obviously not talking about bodies.

 

[Willie-T]

And why were they there if your stance is true? bc they didn't believe..
You just contradicted your whole argument on sleep.

I guess if we stretch it, this might be another question?

Those Jesus preached to were ALL under the old covenant. He had not yet established the new covenant, since He was still alive when they went to the grave... (hell)

 

[Willie-T]

Did I miss any, HH?

 

[God4me]

You guys have got to quit embarrassing yourselves. This begins the very same chapter we are discussing. (it's just a different PARABLE)

Luke 16King James Version (KJV)

16 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.

2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.

3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.

I stand by what I say.
And a parable is a discorcse that reveals a Spiritual truth.
Jesus doesn't deceive us.

 

[LaurenTM]

I believe, except for the huge disruption during Jesus' time in the grave, that every single person that has died since then is in what the Bible calls "the unseen place" (hades, sheol, etc.... it is called many names in the Bible translations) and that we will remain there till the day when Jesus returns to "revive" us. I have no idea if we will be in a state of awareness, or not..... I sure hope not, since it may be thousands of years before He returns. LOL I do "imagine" (since that is all any of us can do) that it will be similar to the state of "sleep" that we know of here and now....... We have no idea how much time really passes while we sleep.

I am unclear on the final answer, so not taking sides, but what about Jesus saying to the thief on the cross that he would be with him in paradise that day?

I was taught you either go to heaven or hell when you die...since then, I have seen every sort of different belief on the subject

thanks

 

[WebersHome]

-
Q: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes (Jonah 2:1).

Q: The whole time?

A: No.

At some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called sheol
(Jonah 2:2) which he described as the bottoms of the mountains. (Jonah
2:6)

The bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no;
they're located down deep in the earth. In other words: while Jonah's corpse
was interred in the fish, he himself was elsewhere.

According to Ps 16:8-10 and Acts 2:25-31, Christ spent some time at the
bottoms of the mountains too. In other words: while Jesus' corpse was
interred in the tomb, he himself was elsewhere; same as Jonah.

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[Willie-T]

I am unclear on the final answer, so not taking sides, but what about Jesus saying to the thief on the cross that he would be with him in paradise that day?

I was taught you either go to heaven or hell when you die...since then, I have seen every sort of different belief on the subject

thanks

You "were taught." But, what have you read from the Bible, completely on your own? Nothing wrong with teachers or books leading you there, but what did you read for yourself?

 

[Willie-T]

You can google the Lazarus and rich man is Judah online that has been up for many years, you would probably get better info than the bite size stuff you will get on a forum, the arguments for and against

Am I mistaken, or was it not you who said you got your information from nothing but the Bible for the past 20 years? Maybe that was someone else.

 

[Willie-T]

I stand by what I say.
And a parable is a discorcse that reveals a Spiritual truth.
Jesus doesn't deceive us.

So, the PARABLE of the shrewd manager was also a true story? There is another PARABLE that begins with the words, "a certain man"..... was that another true story because of those particular word?

 

[HisHolly]

Willie T, you have yet to say why the parable is about Judah and his 5 brothers.. All we get are cocky comebacks and college vocabulary to run us around a Bush.. Teach teacher if you can. you've proven nothing..
Moses and the prophets didn't teach about Jesus they only had foreshadows.. I again am not convinced you have some insight my friend.

Everyone else thank you for your knowledge on the subject, I have quite a bit to go over and gain from.

 

[John146]

-
Q: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes (Jonah 2:1).

Q: The whole time?

A: No.

At some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called sheol
(Jonah 2:2) which he described as the bottoms of the mountains. (Jonah
2:6)

The bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no;
they're located down deep in the earth. In other words: while Jonah's corpse
was interred in the fish, he himself was elsewhere.

According to Ps 16:8-10 and Acts 2:25-31, Christ spent some time at the
bottoms of the mountains too. In other words: while Jesus' corpse was
interred in the tomb, he himself was elsewhere; same as Jonah.

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Jonah did go to hell. Jesus uses him as an example, as Jonah so am I. If Jonah was alive inside the whale the whole time, then the Lord Jesus never died.

Hell has bars and is located in the heart of the earth. That's where Jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights.

 

[God4me]

So, the PARABLE of the shrewd manager was also a true story? There is another PARABLE that begins with the words, "a certain man"..... was that another true story because of those particular word?

Lk 16: 19--26 was a true event, but even if it was a parable, a parable is a discourse that reveals a truth.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Am I mistaken, or was it not you who said you got your information from nothing but the Bible for the past 20 years? Maybe that was someone else.

Oh for goodness sake just post your gotcha Willie, my grandfather at a younger age than you was more mature.

If you are going to include my previous exceptions, such as a book I have never read, which I purchased by Clares reccomendation, I already went there as an exception in another conversation, if you are going to go on about recipes, I do cook, if you are going to count the online book of Enoch which I already stated openly I have read four times or books on the death of a child when mine passed, have at it.

I have not one recollection of a single book outside the scriptures that I have purchased outside of those for over 20 years

If you found one by digging through something that I missed for goodness sake lets get on with it and post the gotcha

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Oh for goodness sake just post your gotcha Willie, my grandfather at a younger age than you was more mature.

If you are going to include my previous exceptions, such as a book I have never read, which I purchased by Clares reccomendation, I already went there as an exception in another conversation, if you are going to go on about recipes, I do cook, if you are going to count the online book of Enoch which I already stated openly I have read four times or books on the death of a child when mine passed, have at it.

I have not one recollection of a single book outside the scriptures that I have purchased outside of those for over 20 years

If you found one by digging through something that I missed for goodness sake lets get on with it and post the gotcha

Here you go Willie-T I fetched my post for you since you want to go there

You have ben digging at my choice to prefer the word of God over other mens books

A whole lot has been explained right there. LOL

And that says alot also

I do not read any other books in addition to the scriptures, by that I mean I dont read or buy religious books, I am not interested and Im very forth right about it so that people dont get their feelings hurt when I get a thousand reccomedations every other day from every other person on the next best seller. Im just not interested in their reccomendations or buying others books "on God" simple as that, I stay wth the scripture. I read online, forum participation as I have stated and had already included one book as an exception (which Clare) at CF reccomended read 2 pages and was not interested and havent touched it since.