All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
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Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
never get that far --- for this ---- literally EVERY church that could put up the homeless, visitors, passers-through, righteously, instead uses "reasons" not to. all the time. every time. (((yes, a few exceptions may exist, and if you find one, LEARN FROM THEM!!!! )))
so since human reason/ logic/ wisdom/ knowledge/ traditions/ customs/ societal norms
has OVERRIDDEN the WORD OF YAHWEH THE CREATOR and made / left the groups powerless to show the life of
christ jesus in their own lives,
that's why i say not "within reason"....
also on the converse side, when someone with a lot of money comes through and are pandered to and pampered and showered with attention
the righteous man of yahweh won't put that one up for any amount of money nor for favors nor for prestige, etc , no matter what, because of integrity to yahweh and HIS WORD....... (((again, there's exceptions, when and as yahweh directs)))
i.e. "within reason" when used has always been used (as observed so far) by men to oppose yahweh's directions instead of to agree with yahweh.
never get that far --- for this ---- literally EVERY church that could put up the homeless, visitors, passers-through, righteously, instead uses "reasons" not to. all the time. every time. (((yes, a few exceptions may exist, and if you find one, LEARN FROM THEM!!!! )))
so since human reason/ logic/ wisdom/ knowledge/ traditions/ customs/ societal norms
has OVERRIDDEN the WORD OF YAHWEH THE CREATOR and made / left the groups powerless to show the life of
christ jesus in their own lives,
that's why i say not "within reason"....
also on the converse side, when someone with a lot of money comes through and are pandered to and pampered and showered with attention
the righteous man of yahweh won't put that one up for any amount of money nor for favors nor for prestige, etc , no matter what, because of integrity to yahweh and HIS WORD....... (((again, there's exceptions, when and as yahweh directs)))
i.e. "within reason" when used has always been used (as observed so far) by men to oppose yahweh's directions instead of to agree with yahweh.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
Oh I think I know what your saying now. If you have faith for that then go right ahead, its not something that you learn overnight and I'm in no faith competition with anyone, and until then, if someone in my home is a threat to my wife and children, they will be met with force.
Oh I think I know what your saying now. If you have faith for that then go right ahead, its not something that you learn overnight and I'm in no faith competition with anyone, and until then, if someone in my home is a threat to my wife and children, they will be met with force.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
you missed the point overall.
in places where yahweh's family is, they do as yahweh says and practice hospitality as directed in his WORD. (((as almost zero churches do; remnant again providing exceptions, and rare)))
woodstock, etc, and thousands or hundreds of thousands of other places / groups on earth might do
whatever it is they do,
but this doesn't change nor affect nor influence what yahweh's people do. living by yahweh's WORD is
entirely different and separate from living by hasatan's word or under his power.
you missed the point overall.
in places where yahweh's family is, they do as yahweh says and practice hospitality as directed in his WORD. (((as almost zero churches do; remnant again providing exceptions, and rare)))
woodstock, etc, and thousands or hundreds of thousands of other places / groups on earth might do
whatever it is they do,
but this doesn't change nor affect nor influence what yahweh's people do. living by yahweh's WORD is
entirely different and separate from living by hasatan's word or under his power.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
yahweh's instruction to "test everything" includes testing all who are right and true as well as all others --- with an expectation of positive results - PASSING GRADE ! ----
and clarification helps everyone. on this forum it is very awkward, as it is on most places internet and otherwise also -- because the number of false teachers and so on is far greater than the number of true;
likewise the number of true disciples of jesus is far far less than almost anyone imagines.
yahweh's instruction to "test everything" includes testing all who are right and true as well as all others --- with an expectation of positive results - PASSING GRADE ! ----
and clarification helps everyone. on this forum it is very awkward, as it is on most places internet and otherwise also -- because the number of false teachers and so on is far greater than the number of true;
likewise the number of true disciples of jesus is far far less than almost anyone imagines.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
So...lets say by some miracle...many decide to start communicating with each other...and decide to help children without clean water...
First each individual or group of individuals would need to decide what level of living (according to the flesh) is a necessary level. Once that is decided upon...then the excess private resources are established.
Then it would need to be decided...should each individual do with the excess in their stewardship whatever they want to help? Or could more be done with a united effort. Once the united effort method is decided upon...then a form of accountability would need to be established. Once that is decided upon...then a form of delivery should be established.
This is actually not very difficult, and with accountability there should be no reservations from approving of helping...at least the children without clean water. I believe we do have the power to provide clean water to almost all in this world...but eithrr way...we can do more.
So...lets say by some miracle...many decide to start communicating with each other...and decide to help children without clean water...
First each individual or group of individuals would need to decide what level of living (according to the flesh) is a necessary level. Once that is decided upon...then the excess private resources are established.
Then it would need to be decided...should each individual do with the excess in their stewardship whatever they want to help? Or could more be done with a united effort. Once the united effort method is decided upon...then a form of accountability would need to be established. Once that is decided upon...then a form of delivery should be established.
This is actually not very difficult, and with accountability there should be no reservations from approving of helping...at least the children without clean water. I believe we do have the power to provide clean water to almost all in this world...but eithrr way...we can do more.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
Whilst I agree that sharing all things in common does not produce a stable society (although may work in small communities) I would point out that Scripturally speaking the problems of Jerusalem and Judaea were mainly caused by an excessively severe famine.
Whilst I agree that sharing all things in common does not produce a stable society (although may work in small communities) I would point out that Scripturally speaking the problems of Jerusalem and Judaea were mainly caused by an excessively severe famine.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
There are plenty of enthuastic people who wishes to restore what they call "primitive christianity". They read the Book of Acts not as an historical record of the first christians at that time and environment but as a normative handbook for a general christian lifestyle. Various groups stresses various things, some stresses the seventh day Sabbath and say "we're living original christianity!", other stresses what they call spiritual gifts and say the same thing and yet others live under one roof and have common ownership and say the same thing. And these groups usually fight each other harshly and condemn one another. What they all share in their characteristics however is that they have never turned the pages of their bibles to the Pauline epistles and the rest of the NT.
There are plenty of enthuastic people who wishes to restore what they call "primitive christianity". They read the Book of Acts not as an historical record of the first christians at that time and environment but as a normative handbook for a general christian lifestyle. Various groups stresses various things, some stresses the seventh day Sabbath and say "we're living original christianity!", other stresses what they call spiritual gifts and say the same thing and yet others live under one roof and have common ownership and say the same thing. And these groups usually fight each other harshly and condemn one another. What they all share in their characteristics however is that they have never turned the pages of their bibles to the Pauline epistles and the rest of the NT.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
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Originally Posted by Jon4TheCross
So...when visiting the fatherless and widows...do you visit with a blessing or curse? Do you love them enough to share an equal quality of life as them? Maybe you just give them enough for that day or something? Most I think just throw money at an unbiblically practicing organization...and let them get their hands dirty.
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Those are not Biblical notions of love.Those are inferior man-made notions.
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jeff:> and yet even if so are far better than curcuches are doing or have done for a very long tome.
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Originally Posted by DesiredHaven
Making widows a prey and robbing the fatherless, sorta like this
Isaiah 10:2 To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!"
I missed that.
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jeff:> and still this is how curcuches are doing and have been doing for a very long tome. (exceptions apply, although rare)
note that jon's ideas are seemingly about what the ekklesia (God's Real People) are already and always have been doing
but that he and you and others don't see in practice because curuches don't and haven't done what is right(have not been alive) in a long long time, if ever (for most of them).
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So...when visiting the fatherless and widows...do you visit with a blessing or curse? Do you love them enough to share an equal quality of life as them? Maybe you just give them enough for that day or something? Most I think just throw money at an unbiblically practicing organization...and let them get their hands dirty.
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Those are not Biblical notions of love.Those are inferior man-made notions.
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jeff:> and yet even if so are far better than curcuches are doing or have done for a very long tome.
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Making widows a prey and robbing the fatherless, sorta like this
Isaiah 10:2 To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!"
I missed that.
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jeff:> and still this is how curcuches are doing and have been doing for a very long tome. (exceptions apply, although rare)
note that jon's ideas are seemingly about what the ekklesia (God's Real People) are already and always have been doing
but that he and you and others don't see in practice because curuches don't and haven't done what is right(have not been alive) in a long long time, if ever (for most of them).
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
Which notion? Point it out please. Equality?
2 Corinthians 8:13-15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13*For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: 14*but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: 15*as it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
Which notion? Point it out please. Equality?
2 Corinthians 8:13-15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13*For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: 14*but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: 15*as it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
Re: All Things Common Ignored by "your church"? Better keep looking for His then.
You mean like this epistle?
2 Corinthians 8:13-15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13*For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: 14*but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: 15*as it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
You mean like this epistle?
2 Corinthians 8:13-15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13*For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: 14*but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: 15*as it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.