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Where does the Bible say that?

(not interested in cursing, just asking. And what precisely do you mean : "Don't curse Israel"
what constitutes cursing Israel?



Well, Christians are the most persecuted people in history, even today.
Spend 10 minutes finding that out.

Being jewish is not racial. This is self-evident, in that there are jews from all "races"

This is disturbing: "The only ancient race to keep their cultural identity and also the most pure genetic race in the world"

Why is this important (if it were true)?

Is racial purity and a specially, uniquely preserved cultural identity the way it's supposed to be for all people?



No one can prove they are a descendant of Israel/Jacob.
Theres no such thing as racial purity.

The mere suggestion this is important in some way is interesting.
Exceptionalism is okay for some people, but not others. Hmm...Maybe that`s what the big wall is for. Racial purity.



Does that constitute cursing Israel





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So Shem is racially pure.
Is Japheth, would it be okay for Japheth to say he wants to be.



I thought you said you are familiar with the Talmud.



A racially pure people, according to you.
What is racial purity.



Is it going to happen exactly to the last detail the way it already happened, in 70AD.



Where is that in the Bible.

What does it mean to curse Israel.



Again she will, you mean.
Exactly the same way. Which means we need Pilate and the Caesars back.
and Titus.



Its is written as fulfilled, and history bears it out clearly.... but it doesnt have to happen.



Being jewish is not racial.
Neither is salvation or blessing.
1. Excellent question! (literally when the Bible has God talking to Abram the first time) Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (also this could be seen as prophecy of the Messiah which also came to pass.)

2. Yes you're correct Christians are severely persecuted, but even the ancient jews that were righteous and believed in The True God, God the Father, are Christians because they believed in the true God and his prophecies of the coming Messiah. Jews are a race indeed, and they are also mixed in with all races (this is another prophecy fulfilled). Race is simply family descent, it's not color like people think it is. For example it be accurate to call the race of Israel also the race of Shem. Likewise most europeans are going to be mostly made up of the rce of Japheth and his sons just as many of the original African races are Ham's race. Now throughout history all these races have become so mixed together that they really are vastly different than their original race anymore. The race that descends from Israel (who is Jacob) from the race of Shem, though somewhat mixed after their many enslavements is still today in fact genetically the most pure so to say that we can genetically trace back.

Also no racial purity is not a requisite for God to love you do not worry. It is simply a matter of family geneology due to what we can prove with science and what history says happened and what we know is truth. No one is 100% Shemite (otherwise you'd be Shem himself) no one is 100% jewish (otherwise you'd be Judah himself), no one is 100% Israel (otherwise you'd be Israel himself.) But people do in fact contain these ancient bloodlines, and the race of people that came out of Israel have this bloodline and it is provable, and furthermore comapred to all other types of people they are the most pure genetically speaking due to the fact the jewish race historically has been somewhat segregated genetically both due to their own leaders and the conquerors that ruled over them despite the fact they are the most subjugated race in history. I myself don't have any jewish race in me that I am aware of, but I know God still loves us all. Though I think its actually very plausible some people might have a little bit of Jacob's race in them even if they don't know it just for the fact the jews were so subjugated throughout history. Either way though, remember Israel's line goes back to Shem and Shem goes back to Noah and Noah goes back to Adam so even if we are all not directly related we are all related in some ways.

3. Shem is racially pure as a Shemite lol, jsut the same Japheth is racially pure as a Japhethite and they are both of the race of Noah and Noah's wife. Noah is other race of Seth and his wife hasa good potential of being the Naamah of the race of Cain. Seth and Cain are of what race? The race of Adam. Who made Adam? God made Adam! Racial purity is merely family geneology, and such geneologies leave genetic markers. We in our time today can to a degree test where people groups have mixed in together. The races are well mixed by today's time to the point people hardly use race in its proper context anymore. People today see color when in fact any of the races can be any of the colors of human. The races that came out of Japheth, Ham, and Shem are those boring "so and so begets so and so." That's not the end of all race though in the Bible as we see races of people referred to early forefathers rise and fall throughout the Bible. For isntance Esau was Israel's brother and Esau is the founder of the Edomite race, but technically Esau and Israel are still of the race of Isaac and Isaac and the Ishmaelites are descended from Abraham. And so it keeps going back until we reach Adam and Eve which would be the purest human race and generation. After all lol, Adam means The Man and The Man named his woman Eve because she would become the mother of all living.

4. I am familiar with the Talmud and Kabbalah as far as I know it is book of lies and Babylonian magic. I am not particularly interested in learning their sorceries anymore than I am learning the black magic of islam or the magic the demon Mara taught Siddartha Gautama. I know enough to know they exist and they are foolishness.

5. Again racial purity is only meaning that genetically speaking the jewish race, such as Paul descended from are the most pure race genetically speaking by comparison to the other descendants of Shem, Japheth, and Ham.

6. In regards to eschatology. Jerusalem was not the whore of Babylon in 70 AD, it is not the whore now, but for the fact the mystery of babylon exists and that Israel may be conquered by the Beast it is plausible that one day Israel will turn away from God and follow the filthy abominations of the Mystery of Babylon, the mother of all abominations of the Earth.
Not everything has remained the same or will remain the same as when the fathers fell asleep.

7. What does it mean to curse Israel? Who is Israel? Israel is Jacob and all his descendants and all those who believe in the God of Jacob and the Prophets from the line of Jacob, and the Messiah that was born out of the House of Jacob. Will thou curse Israel by wishing them to be annhilated? Will you curse them because of their race? Will you curse them because the Lord promised them a homeland? We cannot curse Israel, how folly would that be, we would have to deny Jesus and the enitre Bible if we wished for Israel to be destroyed. We can only hope that Israel will return to the Lord and see that He is their Messiah and hope and pray that the time of the wicked generation does not come to pass in our time now.

8. The jewish race is a race, there is no scientific way around this fact. However to also be jewish one msut beleive in The God that Israel who is Jacob worshipped and whom many of his progeny believed in and carried forth the traditions of. Salvation is not race based, you are correct. Salvation comes from Jesus who is the Son of God.

8. The prophecies which describe much terrible things do not have to happen, that is correct. Remember the Sign of Jonah that Jesus spoke of. All people have to do is make themselves right with Jesus and Jesus can heal all wounds. Mankind has some responsibility in this world. Mankind can either grow increasingly wicked whereby God is totally justified in destroying this whole planet if they do such but God is long-suffering to us that no man should perish but all men should come to know Him. The Lord Jesus who is the Christ and Messiah has promised mankind that mankind can be saved by Him. Jesus didn't end with the Bible, Jesus is still alive and well today and so are His Promises.
 
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I see you still have not read lev 26.

[SUP]40 [/SUP]‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,

[SUP]41 [/SUP]and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—

Has the people in the land we call canaan done this in the last 2000 years?? I think we would all agree, the answer is no. so is God restoring them to the land because of this?? NO! are they restored?? NO!! but what will happen if and when they do do this??



[SUP]42 [/SUP]then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.




Has this happened today? NO

will it happen if the nation called israel repents?? YES, OR GOD IS A LIAR!


as for the continued question of who is the nation of Israel. we can;t prove it. well god answers this too!

[SUP]44 [/SUP]Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them;

for I am the Lord their God.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God:

I am the Lord.’”

Why do you imply that those who do not agree with your dogmatic interpretations are saying "God is a liar?" Why does your method of identifying literal, genetic Israel credit as Israelites, only those among them who rejected Jesus? Why, in your mind, were the Pharisees and their loyalists Israelites, but the Christians in Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, etc, not? Who do you do think are today's millions of Christian descendants of the those first Christians, of those thousands, and thousands of first century Messianic Israelites. Why, in your mind, must Israel be identified as a non-Christian people only? Are we so brainwashed with the idea that Israel rejected Jesus that we cannot see the forest for the trees?
 
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It is you who is preaching Replacement theology. It is you who is claiming that a non-Christian non-Israelite Khazar people have "replaced" the Christian Israel so clearly identified in Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, and other references. Wake up, connect the dots between the Christian "twelve tribes which are scattered abroad" (James 1:1) and historic Chrisitianity.
Nice attack there buddy, is that all you know how to do? Show me in this No it is not. Because I have not claimed they are saved or going to heaven. Just like all the other replacement theologians. You think you know what we believe when you do not. And all you do is CONTINUE to lose credability when people see you making such outlandish claims no one believes.

If you want to continue making these attacks.. feel free. It just shows your true heart.
 
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Why do you imply that those who do not agree with your dogmatic interpretations are saying "God is a liar?" Why does your method of identifying literal, genetic Israel credit as Israelites, only those among them who rejected Jesus? Why, in your mind, were the Pharisees and their loyalists Israelites, but the Christians in Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, etc, not? Who do you do think are today's millions of Christian descendants of the those first Christians, of those thousands, and thousands of first century Messianic Israelites. Why, in your mind, must Israel be identified as a non-Christian people only? Are we so brainwashed with the idea that Israel rejected Jesus that we cannot see the forest for the trees?
What dogmatic views?

Do I take Jesus at his word. or twist what he said?

1. Did he say if they turned against him, he would destroy their cities and disperse them throughout the earth? yes or no?

2. Did he not promise, Even when they were dispersed. he would not destroy them, or abhor them and break his covenant with them? yes or no?

3. did he not promise WHEN THEY REPENT. AND ADMIT THEIR SIN, AND THE SIN OF THEIR FATHERS, he would remember his covenant with the fathers? Yes or no??

Don't give me this interpretation crap. Did God promise these things in that passage yes or no?
 
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Jews in my opinion love The Almighty, and are still looking for the Christ. They may have missed Him 2000 years ago, but they are still waiting. Maybe when every knee bows and ever tongue confess Christ Jesus as Lord, is their time to know Him and who He is.
 
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Jews in my opinion love The Almighty, and are still looking for the Christ. They may have missed Him 2000 years ago, but they are still waiting. Maybe when every knee bows and ever tongue confess Christ Jesus as Lord, is their time to know Him and who He is.
They are unbelievers and worship a different god.
 
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Jews in my opinion love The Almighty, and are still looking for the Christ. They may have missed Him 2000 years ago, but they are still waiting. Maybe when every knee bows and ever tongue confess Christ Jesus as Lord, is their time to know Him and who He is.
Not a bad thought brother. Though keep in mind many jews still do confess belief in Jesus today. This is a good thing and a good sign for us all as Christians. Also in regards to Amos the fact that God's promises come true so accurately despite mountainous improbability is likewise a great sign for the sake of proof, the salvation of an entire people, and a glory to God. All these prophecies help eachother by proving God is real, God's prophecy of the Messiah is real, Jesus fulfilled the many Messianic prophecies, and thus whatever prophecies remain are also likewise much more probable. If all those things are true, the ultimate promise of Jesus that God can forgive people that repent to God and that people can live forever is then also true.
 
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Jews in my opinion love The Almighty, and are still looking for the Christ. They may have missed Him 2000 years ago, but they are still waiting. Maybe when every knee bows and ever tongue confess Christ Jesus as Lord, is their time to know Him and who He is.
we have many Jews in my church who already found Christ. They wait on the day that all their brothers and sisters find him like they did. We should all wish for this (not just for national Israel, But all people.)
 
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Khazar Hypothesis is a muslim lie bro. Old one at that.
Khazar theory of Ashkenazi ancestry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Historians and scientists today believe the Khazarian theory should more accurately be called a myth.[SUP][74][/SUP] The theory, which claims that today's Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of the Khazar empire that had converted to Judaism, has been widely spread on the Internet and is often associated with anti-Israeli pro-Palestinian groups as well as antisemitic circles.[SUP][75][/SUP] A 2013 study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA found no significant evidence of Khazar contribution to the Ashkenazi Jewish DNA, as would be predicted by the Khazar hypothesis[SUP][76][/SUP] and although there is no historical or DNA evidence to support the Khazar idea, it is still popular in Arab states.[SUP][77][/SUP]
How can research such as The Invention of the Jewish People by Israeli professsor Shlomo Sand, and The Thirteenth Tribe by Jewish Historian Arthur Koestler be a Muslim lie. These books are well documented, extensively footnoted and have an index of references in the hundreds. And how could the 2012 Johns Hopkins Jewish DNA study, led by Geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik (Jewish) of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health be as you say, "a Muslim lie...Old one at that." Again, do a Web search for Genome Evolution of Jewish Population Johns Hopkins. This study will reveal who is lying.
As for Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Any researcher of repute will tell you they do not rely on Wikipedia as an authoritative source. Wikipedia does not have respect among professional writers and researchers, they state so in their seminars. So please, do not insult me and those who read these posts by referring to the non-Israelitish Khazar ancestry of contemporary Jews as a Muslim, or any other type of lie. In so doing you are incriminating yourself.
 
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What dogmatic views?

Do I take Jesus at his word. or twist what he said?

1. Did he say if they turned against him, he would destroy their cities and disperse them throughout the earth? yes or no?

2. Did he not promise, Even when they were dispersed. he would not destroy them, or abhor them and break his covenant with them? yes or no?

3. did he not promise WHEN THEY REPENT. AND ADMIT THEIR SIN, AND THE SIN OF THEIR FATHERS, he would remember his covenant with the fathers? Yes or no??

Don't give me this interpretation crap. Did God promise these things in that passage yes or no?
Again is a response which indicates a lack of discernment, an unwillingness to recognize the rules and the meaning of language. Your theological vision is so obscured by a smokescreen, one repeated as, "Israel rejected Jesus" that your cannot see the forest for the trees.
 

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G'bye Amos,

Romans 11:1-2, 5 So I ask, God has not rejected his people, has he? Absolutely not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew! Do you not know what the scripture says about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

5.So in the same way at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.

I guess according to some here, God changed His mind somewhere between Romans 11 and today.
If this phrase 'His people' meant the church, Paul would have no reason to bring up the issue.
Since 'His people' (in context) can only mean the Jews, and if the Jews, where in Scripture after Romans 11 do you read that permanently theJews are no longer HIS PEOPLE?
 
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Again is a response which indicates a lack of discernment, an unwillingness to recognize the rules and the meaning of language. Your theological vision is so obscured by a smokescreen, one repeated as, "Israel rejected Jesus" that your cannot see the forest for the trees.
no you the one blind mr friend, you only pick and chose what scrpyure you want to read and twist the rest to fit your dark satan inspired hatred of a group of people.

the OT prophets foretold of the rejection of isreal (so it should be no surprise to you) it foretold of the complete destruction of her land, and there scattering because of said rejection and it fortold how god would work through the gentiles. ALL of which has been fulfilled! but because of your hatred, you want it to stop there and puff yourself up in pride, and ignore the further prophesies whick say israel WILL repent, and no longer reject Jesus, Ignore Pauls warning about rejecting (as you are) Gods promise to Isreal on a particular day in the future, and because of said repentance and admission of guilt, God will remember his promise you claim is null and void.

I feel sorry for you!
 
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What does this have to do with the eternal promise of God to abraham.

These examples concern mosaic covenant, and have NOTHING to do with the abrahamic.

You do know there is a difference do you not?




I never claimed it would not. God keeping his promise to a repenting Israel would not negate that ALL will benefit from ALL things Christ.

I ask you. Who are the children of Abraham that the covenant is for?
 
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They are unbelievers and worship a different god.

Your are correct, the god of the Talmud is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. What Jesus said to the Pharisees in his day applies to those in our day, "Ye are of your father the devil...ye are not of God" (John 8:44, 47).
 
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G'bye Amos,

Romans 11:1-2, 5 So I ask, God has not rejected his people, has he? Absolutely not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew! Do you not know what the scripture says about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

5.So in the same way at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.

I guess according to some here, God changed His mind somewhere between Romans 11 and today.
If this phrase 'His people' meant the church, Paul would have no reason to bring up the issue.
Since 'His people' (in context) can only mean the Jews, and if the Jews, where in Scripture after Romans 11 do you read that permanently theJews are no longer HIS PEOPLE?
Referring to God's Israel covenant people, you say, "can only mean the Jews." That all Israelites were Jews is the error upon which you build other errors. "Jew/Jews," as applied in the NT narrative identifies a small portion only of Israelites at that time. Even in the OT it identified the Judah portion of Israel only. You are either denying, or are ignorant of the fact that the Israelites who returned from captivity were of Judah only, and were a remnant only of Judah. Ezra and Nehemiah make this very clear. The majority of Judah (Judhahites, i.e., Jews) and the majority of non-Jew northern Israelites never returned.
When Jesus walked in Palestine, most Israelites (in the millions) were in dispersion, and had been for hundreds of years. Even the Pharisees knew this ("will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles" [John 7:35]), why don't you?
Who do you think James was writing to when he addressed his epistle "...to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad" (James 1:1)? He wrote about 45 AD, before, obviously, the anti-Christ element in Judea was dealt with in 70 AD. Do you really think that James was writing to non-Christians only, to the Pharisees and their loyalists? Why, when the context of James, Hebrews, 1 Peter, Acts and other references identify a Christian Israel, do you say the opposite? Is it not because you have been drinking a flavor of theological Kool Aide called "Israel rejected Jesus."
So yes, Israelites called Jews were "His people," but to build your argument on the idea that this small fraction of Israel was all of "His people" is the building of one error upon another.



 
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How can research such as The Invention of the Jewish People by Israeli professsor Shlomo Sand, and The Thirteenth Tribe by Jewish Historian Arthur Koestler be a Muslim lie. These books are well documented, extensively footnoted and have an index of references in the hundreds. And how could the 2012 Johns Hopkins Jewish DNA study, led by Geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik (Jewish) of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health be as you say, "a Muslim lie...Old one at that." Again, do a Web search for Genome Evolution of Jewish Population Johns Hopkins. This study will reveal who is lying.
As for Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Any researcher of repute will tell you they do not rely on Wikipedia as an authoritative source. Wikipedia does not have respect among professional writers and researchers, they state so in their seminars. So please, do not insult me and those who read these posts by referring to the non-Israelitish Khazar ancestry of contemporary Jews as a Muslim, or any other type of lie. In so doing you are incriminating yourself.
Naturally todays people who are jews will have Khazarian ancestry, but not all of them do. That's what the other genetic tests on wikipedia prove. The Muslim and western racist theory of the Khazaria Hypothesis is that the jews descend from the Khazars. Muslims use this to naturally defy the covenant with Isaac. This Hypothesis has been proven wrong. The Khazars as history knows them even, not even with the genetic proof, didn't arise until the AD. We know even if we don't like the jews that the jewish race existed well before the Khazars even existed when they inhabitted Judaea/Palestine/Zion/Israel/Judah/United Kingdom of Israel/Genesis Family of Jacob The Hebrews (people of Hebron). So the Jews do not descend from the Khazars, the Khazars are a racial mix of Shemites and Japhethites (prolly some Hamites in there too) in the AD well after the time the Jews were scattered abroad as prophecy states and mixed in with all the people of the world. When the Jewish Diaspora began they all didn't just go straight to modern italy bro, they scattered throughout Earth in every single way literal. That's not Talmud bullcrap, that's just History after the Bible Histories. We also know beyond all statistcal and historical odds they have reinhabited the land God promised them and it is proven beyond all shadow of a doubt. Seems to me God is pretty good on His Word as He always has been and will be.

I never accused you of being a muslim, I accused the Khazarian Myth to be a Muslim Lie. It is a lie perpetrated by the muslims and racists to deny the Bible, do not believe in it brother. These people try to use it to break God's covenant but all it does is prove that the Jewish Race existed before the Khazars ever did and mixed in with them and even then were still scattered much abroad and Khazaria fell in the AD. At the same time there were Jews scattered abroad in much of Europe, Africa, and Asia. All this was foretold all it happened.
 
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I ask you. Who are the children of Abraham that the covenant is for?
The children of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. of whome the promises were given.

why have you refused to acknowledge gen and lev passages? Do you just wish to argue?
 
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Your are correct, the god of the Talmud is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. What Jesus said to the Pharisees in his day applies to those in our day, "Ye are of your father the devil...ye are not of God" (John 8:44, 47).

yes this is true. one how amazing it will be when these people, as well as MANY gentiles find the true god of abraham.

oh wait. some people would hate for that to happen
 
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Referring to God's Israel covenant people, you say, "can only mean the Jews." That all Israelites were Jews is the error upon which you build other errors. "Jew/Jews," as applied in the NT narrative identifies a small portion only of Israelites at that time. Even in the OT it identified the Judah portion of Israel only. You are either denying, or are ignorant of the fact that the Israelites who returned from captivity were of Judah only, and were a remnant only of Judah. Ezra and Nehemiah make this very clear. The majority of Judah (Judhahites, i.e., Jews) and the majority of non-Jew northern Israelites never returned.
When Jesus walked in Palestine, most Israelites (in the millions) were in dispersion, and had been for hundreds of years. Even the Pharisees knew this ("will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles" [John 7:35]), why don't you?
Who do you think James was writing to when he addressed his epistle "...to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad" (James 1:1)? He wrote about 45 AD, before, obviously, the anti-Christ element in Judea was dealt with in 70 AD. Do you really think that James was writing to non-Christians only, to the Pharisees and their loyalists? Why, when the context of James, Hebrews, 1 Peter, Acts and other references identify a Christian Israel, do you say the opposite? Is it not because you have been drinking a flavor of theological Kool Aide called "Israel rejected Jesus."
So yes, Israelites called Jews were "His people," but to build your argument on the idea that this small fraction of Israel was all of "His people" is the building of one error upon another.



yet again, you prove yu are not listening to anything anyone says, who said james was writing to the pharisees? He was writing to the remnant scattered abroad. who had already recieved christ. and some who had not, but were part of the church (hearers not doers)

its like your trying so hard to prove a point when their is no point to be made because no one believes what your claiming.
 
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The children of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. of whome the promises were given.

why have you refused to acknowledge gen and lev passages? Do you just wish to argue?
I answered it, and these are only three people who are to inherit the land? Who are his children now in this day and age?

Genesis 15:5

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.