Are all sins equally bad

[p_rehbein]

There is but one reward for those not under Christ and that is, death. There is only one death. And that is their reward.

They who are in Christ, already have everlasting life. Their rewards are the blessings given to the Children.

??? Which is why I stated in my comment #37: "AND IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF REWARDS IN HEAVEN, WHY NOT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIN?

 

[cfultz3]

True, and I never suggested that any "sin does good to the person who performs it," rather simply discussing IF there are sins God sees different than others.

By no means did I imply you meant to say that. Sorry for any confusion. I was explaining that "bad" means "evil". "Evil" has as its pinnacle definition "harmful".

 

[p_rehbein]

By no means did I imply you meant to say that. Sorry for any confusion. I was explaining that "bad" means "evil". "Evil" has as its pinnacle definition "harmful".

See RT? It happens to me as well..........."cfultz3" see RT's and my comments just posted recently

Thanks for the clarification...........man, I really struggle in this medium of communication.......that's why I try to use emotioncons from time to time.

 

[cfultz3]

??? Which is why I stated in my comment #37: "AND IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF REWARDS IN HEAVEN, WHY NOT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIN?

There is only one level of good. And that is rewarded differently as God has deemed it would be in Scripture. Good is not rewarded, the deed is.

There is only one level of evil. And that is rewarded with only one reward: death, as God has deemed it would be in Scripture. Evil is not rewarded, the deed is.

 

[cfultz3]

See RT? It happens to me as well..........."cfultz3" see RT's and my comments just posted recently

Thanks for the clarification...........man, I really struggle in this medium of communication.......that's why I try to use emotioncons from time to time.

What is "RT"?

 

[Jesusismyrock]

All sins are equally as bad to God, as they are all disobeying him (equally). However you can use some common sense and know that their are laws set in place for countries and that clearly murdering gets you jail or worse depending where you are and telling a lie at home does not.

 

[p_rehbein]

What is "RT"?

Red Tent............ she and I were experiencing the same misread of comments as you and I........and, it appears that I was the one in error BOTH TIMES!

........sigh..........

 

[p_rehbein]

There is only one level of good. And that is rewarded differently as God has deemed it would be in Scripture. Good is not rewarded, the deed is.

There is only one level of evil. And that is rewarded with only one reward: death, as God has deemed it would be in Scripture. Evil is not rewarded, the deed is.

However, you have not addressed the words of Jesus or John...........

 

[p_rehbein]

We must consider what Jesus said do we not?

Matthew 16:27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Revelation 22:11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 .) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[cfultz3]

So, how do we explain the words of Jesus?

Matthew 10:12) And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 .) And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 .) And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 .) Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 18:1) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 .) And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 .) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 .) Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 .) And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 .) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 .) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Luke 17:1) Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 .) It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Mark 3:28) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 .) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

And the words of John:

1st John 5:13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 .) And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 .) And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. 16 .) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 .) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

AND IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF REWARDS IN HEAVEN, WHY NOT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIN?

Romans 2:5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God. 6 .) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 .) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 .) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 .) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 .) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

1st Corinthians 3:7) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 .) Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 .) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 .) According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 .) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 .) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 .) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 .) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.


.......and there are more examples........

Okay

I will reply directly.

Notice Jesus, John, and Paul were all talking to His disciples. Christians can sin, but they are under grace and find forgiveness for sin through Christ. They who are in Christ, already have everlasting life and as a good Father, God rewards accordingly. I hope to have many crowns to lay down before God.

However, those who are not under Christ, can only be rewarded with death. If all sin leads away from God, then for the sinner, there is no decree of sin, they will all receive death. To say that there is different decrees of sin, then one can conclude that there will be different degrees of death. But, we know that there will be no return from those who receive a part of the second death.

 

[p_rehbein]

Okay

I will reply directly.

Notice Jesus, John, and Paul were all talking to His disciples. Christians can sin, but they are under grace and find forgiveness for sin through Christ. They who are in Christ, already have everlasting life and as a good Father, God rewards accordingly. I hope to have many crowns to lay down before God.

However, those who are not under Christ, can only be rewarded with death. If all sin leads away from God, then for the sinner, there is no decree of sin, they will all receive death. To say that there is different decrees of sin, then one can conclude that there will be different degrees of death. But, we know that there will be no return from those who receive a part of the second death.

Just to clarify, but you don't believe that hell is eternal? This is the gist of your comment as I read it.....because you seem to be saying that there are not different levels of punishment. Don't want to misunderstand what you are saying.

However IF that IS what you are saying, then I disagree, and it really doesn't matter who Jesus was talking to, for the teaching was for everyone saved or not in my opinion.

 

[cfultz3]

We must consider what Jesus said do we not?

Matthew 16:27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Those on His left will be rewarded with death.
Those on His right will be rewarded with Life.

Revelation 22:11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 .) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

One can only be rewarded with death once. There is no glory in Hades, just darkness.

However, there are many gifts to be handed out by our Father. The apostles and the prophets will have their names immortalized forevermore in the Kingdom. I might be a floor-scrubber when the time comes and you might be a door-keeper. But, we each will be rewarded accordingly to our life we lived in conjunction to the Spirit.

 

[cfultz3]

Just to clarify, but you don't believe that hell is eternal? This is the gist of your comment as I read it.....because you seem to be saying that there are not different levels of punishment. Don't want to misunderstand what you are saying.

However IF that IS what you are saying, then I disagree, and it really doesn't matter who Jesus was talking to, for the teaching was for everyone saved or not in my opinion.

I believe that those on the left will receive "an everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and His glory". That sentencing will have an everlasting effect. Inasmuch as those on the right will have everlasting life with its everlasting effect.

 

[p_rehbein]

Is Hell Eternal?

(found here Is Hell Eternal? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

[excerpt from Article]

The teaching that there is an eternal hell in which hordes of mankind will suffer eternal punishment can be a difficult doctrine to accept. We hear so much about God's infinite love and how He desires that all men be saved (1 Tim. 2:4). However, those who develop their theologies based upon the "gentle" side of God do so with an incomplete picture. Not only is God loving (1 John 4:8-10), gracious (Exo. 33:19; 1 Pet. 2:3), and merciful (Exodus 34:6; Psalm 67:1; James 5:11), but He is also holy (Isaiah 6:3; Rev. 4:8), just (Neh. 9:32-33; 2 Thess. 1:6), and hates sin (Psalm 5:5-6; Hab. 1:13). God punishes the sinner (Jer. 50:31; Ezk. 44:12; Matt. 25:46; 2 Thess. 1:9; 2 Pet. 2:9; Heb. 10:29).
The Bible teaches that there is a fiery hell, a place that Jesus warned people about.

"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).1
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Eternal fire is real. Jesus said it was. In fact, Jesus spoke a great deal about hell. It is what Jesus came here to save us from. There will be a Day of Judgment when all people will face God. Those who are not covered by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross will be cast out into hell where they will undergo eternal punishment. "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46). In this verse, the same word "eternal" is used to describe the punishment of the wicked as well as the eternal life of the believer. The punishment is endless as is the eternal life of the believer. That is why the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) is so important, because it saves people from eternal damnation:

intended for FYI only.

 

[p_rehbein]

Those on His left will be rewarded with death.
Those on His right will be rewarded with Life.


One can only be rewarded with death once. There is no glory in Hades, just darkness.

However, there are many gifts to be handed out by our Father. The apostles and the prophets will have their names immortalized forevermore in the Kingdom. I might be a floor-scrubber when the time comes and you might be a door-keeper. But, we each will be rewarded accordingly to our life we lived in conjunction to the Spirit.

I believe this as well, as far as I understand what you are saying......SO GIVEN THAT, why is it so difficult to believe that there may be different levels of punishment?

 

[p_rehbein]

Those on His left will be rewarded with death.
Those on His right will be rewarded with Life.


One can only be rewarded with death once. There is no glory in Hades, just darkness.

However, there are many gifts to be handed out by our Father. The apostles and the prophets will have their names immortalized forevermore in the Kingdom. I might be a floor-scrubber when the time comes and you might be a door-keeper. But, we each will be rewarded accordingly to our life we lived in conjunction to the Spirit.

Scripture doesn't say that there is any "glory" in hell, but there is certainly Scripture to suggest that there can be differing levels of punishment in my opinion.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Hello again p_rehbien
I noticed that you liked post #17.I was wondering if it answered to your satisfaction about the question about how some sins will be punished.

Luke 12:42-48 (NASB) [SUP]42 [/SUP]And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time? [SUP]43 [/SUP]"Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. [SUP]44 [/SUP]"Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. [SUP]45 [/SUP]"But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; [SUP]46 [/SUP]the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. [SUP]47 [/SUP]"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, [SUP]48 [/SUP]but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

It's not always the sins......... It's who the individual is. Since everyone is different in their maturity, their judgement will be different accordingly.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe this as well, as far as I understand what you are saying......SO GIVEN THAT, why is it so difficult to believe that there may be different levels of punishment?

Because hell is hell. There will be weeping and nashing of teeth because separation from God for eternity is hell

 

[p_rehbein]

Hello again p_rehbien
I noticed that you liked post #17.I was wondering if it answered to your satisfaction about the question about how some sins will be punished.

Yes, I believe that you provided a passage of Scripture that shows different levels of punishment! Good post! That's why I liked it. And I gave other Scripture to go along with the one you posted.

Thanks.

 

[p_rehbein]

Because hell is hell. There will be weeping and nashing of teeth because separation from God for eternity is hell

This still does not address the words of Jesus or John though.....well, not in my opinion. I agree with the concept, but it in and of itself does not rule out "different" levels of punishment as I read it.