Are all sins equally bad

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Yes, I believe that you provided a passage of Scripture that shows different levels of punishment! Good post! That's why I liked it. And I gave other Scripture to go along with the one you posted.

Thanks.
I should have put the original poster..... that was Stephen
..post 17
 
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I believe this as well, as far as I understand what you are saying......SO GIVEN THAT, why is it so difficult to believe that there may be different levels of punishment?
There is only one punishment: death. How many ways can one be separated from God?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This still does not address the words of Jesus or John though.....well, not in my opinion. I agree with the concept, but it in and of itself does not rule out "different" levels of punishment as I read it.

The penalty of sin is death. Death is death. There are no different levels of death
 

p_rehbein

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There is only one punishment: death. How many ways can one be separated from God?
You are still not addressing the words of Jesus or John........separated from God is to be in hell, however being in hell does not mean that there can not be differing levels of punishment for those in hell.......I'm just trying to see how people will address the words/teachings of Jesus and John.
 

p_rehbein

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The penalty of sin is death. Death is death. There are no different levels of death
So, you have no answer concerning the words of Jesus and John? They aren't my words, so repetitive posting of a single thought might suit to answer me, but do they suit as an answer for what Jesus and John said/taught?
 
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Scripture doesn't say that there is any "glory" in hell, but there is certainly Scripture to suggest that there can be differing levels of punishment in my opinion.
Glory = dignity, praise, honor (G1391). Scripture may not directly say, "there is no glory in Hades", but one can safely assume this on the knowledge that apart from God: what dignity will one have in death, seeing that those dead do not praise?

If Death and Hades will be destroyed during the second death, then where is the everlasting "torture"? Does it not say that this will be the everlasting punishment (adverse sentencing handed down to those on the left): An Everlasting Destruction from the Presence of the Lord and His Glory? Meaning: never ever again being able to be presented before God ever again.
 
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So, you have no answer concerning the words of Jesus and John? They aren't my words, so repetitive posting of a single thought might suit to answer me, but do they suit as an answer for what Jesus and John said/taught?
What words?

Sodom and gemorrah got destroyed. Yet they did not hear the gospel. It is far worse for a city which heard the gospel and rejected it.

It is a mind thing.

Yes it will be worse for a person who had the gospel of truth and rejected it. Than for someone who never heard the gospel. Because they never would have believed in the first place

John is talking about physical death. Go out and get drunk and get behind a wheel and drive, hit a tree and die. You died the sin unto death.

Hell is hell. Death is death. The only difference is peoples minds. It will be harder on them. Not more severe.
 
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You are still not addressing the words of Jesus or John........separated from God is to be in hell, however being in hell does not mean that there can not be differing levels of punishment for those in hell.......I'm just trying to see how people will address the words/teachings of Jesus and John.
Will you give me Scriptures so I can address them, please?
 

p_rehbein

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What words?

Sodom and gemorrah got destroyed. Yet they did not hear the gospel. It is far worse for a city which heard the gospel and rejected it.

It is a mind thing.

Yes it will be worse for a person who had the gospel of truth and rejected it. Than for someone who never heard the gospel. Because they never would have believed in the first place

John is talking about physical death. Go out and get drunk and get behind a wheel and drive, hit a tree and die. You died the sin unto death.

Hell is hell. Death is death. The only difference is peoples minds. It will be harder on them. Not more severe.
Well, at least you finally gave your answer/opinion......that's a good thing :)

I don't fully agree with your interpretation of John's words, but that's ok too. :)

Yet that interpretation does not resolve the words/teachings of Jesus whatsoever in my opinion only possibly.... :)

God bless, and thanks for the discussion.
 
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Well, at least you finally gave your answer/opinion......that's a good thing :)

I don't fully agree with your interpretation of John's words, but that's ok too. :)

Yet that interpretation does not resolve the words/teachings of Jesus whatsoever in my opinion only possibly.... :)

God bless, and thanks for the discussion.
And you have yet to answer how there can be different levels of death.

I will say this. The people who suffer the most in hell will be the religious, The pharisees. The legalist who try to earn their salvation. and think they are saved by their works and how good they are. These people will suffer the most.

Even people who suffer by hearing and not believing will suffer less. Because they will realise they rejected because they loved their sin, and did not want to give it up.

But the others. Who try to argue with God saying they did all these works in his name. WHen he says depart from himn, they will suffer the most.
 
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So, how do we explain the words of Jesus?

Matthew 10:12) And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 .) And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 .) And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 .) Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Seeing that He is speaking about "land" and not everlasting punishment on souls, it would seem that He is speaking about more destruction coming upon that "city" during God's judgment on the Earth than on Sodom and Gomorrha.


Matthew 18:1) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 .) And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 .) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 .) Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 .) And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 .) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 .) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Luke 17:1) Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 .) It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
In the physical world, God punishes those who cause His children to roam from the Truth. It would be better for them to be drown then to have to deal with God concerning His children. In the spiritual world, God deals with them by giving them that everlasting destruction from His presence. If we continue to read on, it is saying that it is better to get rid of that which causes that offense. Because, if we do not and continue to offend, we will be casted into the fire which is everlasting.

Mark 3:28) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 .) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Eternal damnation = everlasting condemnation = an everlasting adverse sentencing = everlasting destruction from God's presence.

And the words of John:

1st John 5:13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 .) And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 .) And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. 16 .) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 .) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
This is saying that a Christian can walk into death (receive death) if he continues walking on the path leading away from God.

AND IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF REWARDS IN HEAVEN, WHY NOT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIN?

Romans 2:5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God. 6 .) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 .) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 .) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 .) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 .) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
They who are sinners will experience God's wrath and indignation DURING the day of wrath. This will be a physical experience, as Revelation tells us.

1st Corinthians 3:7) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 .) Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 .) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 .) According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 .) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 .) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 .) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 .) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.


.......and there are more examples........
What works remain will be rewarded. Some will have more works which remain than others and will be rewarded accordingly.
 
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All sins are equally as bad to God, as they are all disobeying him (equally). However you can use some common sense and know that their are laws set in place for countries and that clearly murdering gets you jail or worse depending where you are and telling a lie at home does not.
But, there is only death handed out to that murderer and/or liar.

How many degrees of death (separations from God) can there be?

Is there a death for a liar? Another for a murderer? How many everlasting lives are there?

There will only be two groups presented before the Judge.

There will only be two sorts of sentencing handed down by the Judge.
 

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why is it so difficult to believe that there may be different levels of punishment?
Hell is a place of torment and separation from God, so nothing about hell will be mild. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Rev 20:10: The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

This suggests to me that maybe the unholy trio will be together, that the devil will be cast in the same location of hell as the beast and false prophet.

What also came to mind are the scriptures that speak of teachers and how they will get a stricter judgment. Those who add to the word and teach another gospel are leading others astray. We know that the deceivers and those being deceived will both fall in a ditch, no one can blame their teacher on judgment day.

It's possible that false teachers might get a harsher punishment, but difficult to comprehend since it's already a place of torment.
 
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I don't see what some of these answers has to do with whether God sees all sin the very same or not. We know all sin means death. That doesn't answer the question. God doesn't tell us about different levels of hell, and that doesn't answer the question, anyway.

I think there are times, because we live in a physical world, that we simply can't be sinless, we have to choose. God said the first commandment was to love the Lord with all your heart, the second was to love you neighbor. If you went before the Lord and said you didn't love Him, but you were very careful not to tell a lie? There are different values to different sins. We are to know that when we need to make choices and as we live our life in Christ. At the same time, we need to know that we need Christ, for all sin means death.
 
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Of course there are degrees of lawlessness (sin), which is why we have a Judge.
 

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Hell is a place of torment and separation from God, so nothing about hell will be mild. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Rev 20:10: The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

This suggests to me that maybe the unholy trio will be together, that the devil will be cast in the same location of hell as the beast and false prophet.

What also came to mind are the scriptures that speak of teachers and how they will get a stricter judgment. Those who add to the word and teach another gospel are leading others astray. We know that the deceivers and those being deceived will both fall in a ditch, no one can blame their teacher on judgment day.

It's possible that false teachers might get a harsher punishment, but difficult to comprehend since it's already a place of torment.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Katy........and that is what I am speaking to.........IS IT POSSIBLE? Jesus spoke of this, so, do we go with Jesus or with the knowledge of man? I think I will go with Jesus.

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Are all sins equally bad ?
Sin (all sin) separates us from God. Jesus's sacrifice "bridged" us back to God. For every action there is a reaction.

Once we have accepted the only way to eternal salvation, through Jesus/Yeshua, we are under grace. Once we are under grace, the word says "IF YOU LOVE ME (JESUS/YESHUA) YOU WILL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

If one is truly saved by grace, the Torah is written on your heart and a desire to please and obey is the natural response to His great and Amazing love.

(Psa 116:1) I love the LORD, because he hath heard my voice and my supplications.

(Joh 21:17) He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

(1Jn 3:14) We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

(1Jn 3:16) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

(1Jn 4:17) Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

(1Jn 4:18) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

(1Jn 4:19) We love him, because he first loved us.

God loved us (His creation) so much that He gave His only begotten Son so that that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

As Christians, if we don't live a life that says we are set apart, different from the world, we cannot be salt to the earth or a light shining in dark places.

As long as we are in this earthly fleshly body, transgressions are possible. With maturity in faith we learn to have greater evidence of the fruit of the spirit. I've personally learned that, thankfully, I am under grace and sometimes I do and have sinned in ignorance and thankfully, there is plenty of grace for that. However, the only sacrifice available for a willful sin after grace is sacrifice of repentance and humility.

Psa 40:6 Sacrifices and grain offerings you don't want; burnt offerings and sin offerings you don't demand. Instead, you have given me open ears;
Psa 40:7 so then I said, "Here I am! I'm coming! In the scroll of a book it is written about me.
Psa 40:8 Doing your will, my God, is my joy; your Torah is in my inmost being.
Psa 40:9 I have proclaimed what is right in the great assembly; I did not restrain my lips, Adonai, as you know.
Psa 40:10 I did not hide your righteousness in my heart but declared your faithfulness and salvation; I did not conceal your grace and truth from the great assembly."
Psa 40:11 Adonai, don't withhold your mercy from me. Let your grace and truth preserve me always.


Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Mat 3:8 If you have really turned from your sins to God, produce fruit that will prove it!

For every action there is a reaction. Good fruit or bad fruit. Holiness or sinfulness. Proud or humble. Loving or hateful.

(Joh 13:34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

(Joh 15:12) This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

(Joh 15:17) These things I command you, that ye love one another.

(Rom 13:8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

(1Th 4:9) But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

(1Pe 1:22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

(1Jn 3:11) For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

(1Jn 3:23) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

(1Jn 4:7) Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

(1Jn 4:11) Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

(1Jn 4:12) No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

(2Jn 1:5) And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

We love him, because he first loved us.1Jn 4:19

Psa 91:1-16 You who live in the shelter of `Elyon, who spend your nights in the shadow of Shaddai,
who say to Adonai, "My refuge! My fortress! My God, in whom I trust!" -
he will rescue you from the trap of the hunter and from the plague of calamities;
he will cover you with his pinions, and under his wings you will find refuge; his truth is a shield and protection.
You will not fear the terrors of night or the arrow that flies by day,
or the plague that roams in the dark, or the scourge that wreaks havoc at noon.
A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand; but it won't come near you.
Only keep your eyes open, and you will see how the wicked are punished.
For you have made Adonai, the Most High, who is my refuge, your dwelling-place.
No disaster will happen to you, no calamity will come near your tent;
for he will order his angels to care for you and guard you wherever you go.
They will carry you in their hands, so that you won't trip on a stone.
You will tread down lions and snakes, young lions and serpents you will trample underfoot.
"Because he loves me, I will rescue him; because he knows my name, I will protect him.
He will call on me, and I will answer him. I will be with him when he is in trouble. I will extricate him and bring him honor.
I will satisfy him with long life and show him my salvation (salvation = Strong's H3444)."

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
 
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I will answer with the WHOLE Bible as the Bible is the Answer to all questions.

I used to be really remorseful when I did something bad. When the Holy Spirit will show me a sin, I would be very sorry, and ask for forgiveness. The one sin I regretted the most then was ADUTERY. Oh I greived those sins really bad. But God removed them all, and then this happened.... The other day a person came to me and a friend as we stood by our vehicles. The moment I saw the man God said.... GIVE HIM A R100 NOTE. I did not. When my friend drove off, the Holy Spirit reproofed me for not doing what was right.... And I felt exactly the same GUILT as the ADULTERY sin....

So I guess not obeying God is ANY manner, is a sin.

Last night I was banned from the Bible Study room, for believing God and OBEYING GOD. So even if the world HATES you for HIS NAME SAKE.... Do not, Do not EVER not obey God... He starts to take you out of the DO NOT, then he takes you into the DO IT FOR MY NAME SAKE... and disobeying either, will end you up in hell. There are only two places to go, hell and heaven.

Sinners go to hell. Eve nthe ones that did not d owhat God wanted them to do... Not doing the thing God wants you to do, is also sin. You might as well carried on with adutery. Last night I got grilled in the Bible study room for believing this verse....

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
 
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Are all sins equally bad ?
No.
Not at all.
God isn't some indiscriminate tyrant.
His whole deal is justice, the whole reason for Jesus coming was to pay for our sins.
Listen, God isn't interested in sending you or anyone else to hell.
Different sins, different levels of justice.
.But without the blood of Jesus Christ on your life you are damned anyway.
- - So just do this, ask Him into your heart.
Say "Jesus I need you" -" Oh God I need you bad"
- It's not the words, it's the want to.
Seek God while you may be found by Him.
- - He won't let you down. - Total forgiveness for those that rely on Him
 
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