Are Seventh Day Adventist the "Remnent Church"

[JackH]

Again, from what I have read, I have not come across anything contradictory to The Bible.



Now you are trying to question my character.



By your statement you are not questioning Ellen G. White's credibility, whether, or not her own writing does. By that statement you questioned the posters character because by the selection you quoted you implied the posters personal behavior. Which again is disrespectful.

And quite frankly, I don't want to pursue this topic any more being that it will not defuse my initial concern.

Keep it up.

I'll post what Ellen G. White said about male masturbation.

 

[Kerry]

The seventh day church errs. I will tell you why and if do not accept it then that's between you and God. Jesus is the Sabbath, you will not find rest until your faith is placed in the work of the cross. I don'care how many times you attend church. That is self righteousness, I don't care how many people you have prayed for. If it is not in the filthy rag state then you your prayer is worthless it will come to nothing.

 

[JackH]

By your statement you are not questioning Ellen G. White's credibility, whether, or not her own writing does. By that statement you questioned the posters character because by the selection you quoted you implied the posters personal behavior. Which again is disrespectful.

Wrong.

I said "I can see how this particular writing could be helpful."

I was not directing a sarcastic comment at the poster.

I was thinking of how this particular writing could be helpful to myself.

I'd tell you exactly how, but you probably would get upset again. But I'll tell you anyway, if you insist.

 

[LEPIDUS]

My spouse died this year.

I am sorry for you loss.

I do not know this woman but my understanding is that the bible is the primary source of inspiration, wisdom and guidance for SDA just as in any bible believing denomination and repenting and forgiveness of sins through Jesus , and acceptance of Him in the heart is the only way of salvation.

That is correct, I have attended some of their services and all that has been used is scripture. If I had not heard about Ellen G White on this forum I would have never known who she was, since the services I have attended never speak of her.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Keep it up.

I'll post what Ellen G. White said about male masturbation.

Childish, clearly the age listed is off.

 

[oldernotwiser]

Keep it up.

I'll post what Ellen G. White said about male masturbation.

well i guess i knew that ellen g white was one of the leading theologians of the 19th century but i didnt know she was also an expert on male masturbation.

 

[JackH]

Now you are trying to question my character.

The subject matter of this thread is SDA and Ellen G. White.

I quoted something Ellen G. White wrote in her book.

I asked you if you agreed with what she said.

That is questioning your character?

 

[LEPIDUS]

Wrong.

Some of your other post seem to indicate my interpretation of this post is correct

I said "I can see how this particular writing could be helpful."

I was not directing a sarcastic comment at the poster.

I was thinking of how this particular writing could be helpful to myself.

I'd tell you exactly how, but you probably would get upset again. But I'll tell you anyway, if you insist.

I apologize if my interpretation of what you are trying to convey is wrong, but I find this post disrespectful. If you want to belittle someones reading selection in public that is fine but to publicly assume the selection especially on the nature of the post you stated is completely wrong.

Someone of your "age" should have more respect, and tact when communicating to a sister in Christ. Additionally, why don't you try asking which selections she finds helpful rather than assume such vulgarity as your last statement implies.

And if you really meant something else you would not have left it open for interpretation.

 

[LEPIDUS]

The subject matter of this thread is SDA and Ellen G. White.

I quoted something Ellen G. White wrote in her book.

I asked you if you agreed with what she said.

That is questioning your character?

I already established how you are doing that.

 

[Scuba]

Jesus is the Sabbath...

That's only man's interpretation of Scripture. It's just like saying Sunday is the Lord's day. Sunday as the Lord's day and Jesus replaces the seventh day are both not found in Scripture.

 

[JackH]

well i guess i knew that ellen g white was one of the leading theologians of the 19th century but i didnt know she was also an expert on male masturbation.

Yes, indeed she was.

I can tell you need to hear this. Ellen G. White on male masturbation:

"If the practice [self-indulgence] is continued from the age of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors. Some of nature's fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature's fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution; and death is the result."

The "she" and "her" is referring to Mother Nature.

 

[JesusLives]

What Ellen G. White herself said raised issues about her credibility, in my opinion.

Do you agree with what she said in what I quoted?

I would never claim that I have read everything that Mrs. White wrote, but I have read the book Desire of Ages and it was a wonderful book about the life of Christ and it is one of the most requested books from the Library of Congress that was written on the life of Christ.

Your response to my post was hurtful and I feel not very Christ like. I am not sure I have read what ever book that passage came out of but I can promise you that I would never post a response to you as you posted to me. I forgive you and won't hold it against you for that hurtful post.

But I do recommend the book Desire of Ages and suggest you pick that one up to read. If that is not a good suggested read for you then Please read the book of John in the Bible as it is a good book about love and my preferred reading material. God bless you in your walk with Jesus.

 

[Kerry]

That's only man's interpretation of Scripture. It's just like saying Sunday is the Lord's day. Sunday as the Lord's day and Jesus replaces the seventh day are both not found in Scripture.

So it something you can do and not what Jesus did? That is called self righteousness is it not. What else can you do?

 

[JesusLives]

I would have thought that someone would have objected more to what Ellen G. White said than what I said.

Ellen G. White is the face of the SDA movement. Some, including me, have said SDA is a cult.

It would seem to me that the credibility of Ellen G. White, deemed a prophetess of the movement, might be an important factor to evaluate, especially for those who belong or are considering joining.

I am sorry that you misunderstand who is considered the leader of the SDA church. That would be God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, not Mrs. White.

 

[JackH]

I would never claim that I have read everything that Mrs. White wrote

Just to be clear, I did not ask you that question. I asked Lepidus.

I responded to your post where you said her writings were helpful. My response essentially was a quotation from one of Ellen's White books. My intent being, to let what she herself wrote speak for itself. And it does, in my opinion. I don't really need to say anything about her credibility. She trashed her credibility quite well, in my eyes.

 

[JesusLives]

The subject matter of this thread is SDA and Ellen G. White.

I quoted something Ellen G. White wrote in her book.

I asked you if you agreed with what she said.

That is questioning your character?

I believe that you have made it about Ellen White as the thread title is - Are Seventh Day Adventist the "Remnent Church".

 

[JackH]

I am sorry that you misunderstand who is considered the leader of the SDA church. That would be God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, not Mrs. White.

You misrepresented what I said. That is bearing false witness. I am highly offended.

I said Ellen White is the face of SDA. She is the person most associated with SDA, right? I didn't bring her name up first. Others did. The SDA claims she is a prophetess, correct?

 

[JesusLives]

You misrepresented what I said. That is bearing false witness. I am highly offended.

I said Ellen White is the face of SDA. She is the person most associated with SDA, right? I didn't bring her name up first. Others did. The SDA claims she is a prophetess, correct?

Why are you so aggressive against the SDA denomination? What have we done to you that has been so hurtful to you?

They meaning William Miller, James White, Ellen White maybe Hiram Smith not sure on the last one plus others were all studying Daniel and Revelation trying to understand the prophecy and they knew something important was going to happen in October 1844. They thought it was the second coming of Jesus and maybe they should have know better since there is a Bible verse that says no one knows the day or the hour. But they were mistaken as Jesus did not return on that date.

They went back and studied some more and discovered that they were obviously wrong in that interpretation, but that Jesus went from the Holy place into the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary and is in the process of cleansing the sanctuary as they did in the earthly sanctuary once a year. Jesus is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

I am sorry as it was not my intent to offend you in any way.

 

[Hoffco]

My first wife and I were friends of a couple of families that were SDA. WE enjoyed some of their vegetarian meals, But could not live that way. We visited their church on a couple of sat.s and I preached one sat; but was never asked to preach again. It was just to big of a problem to be faced with the pressure of two days of worship, and since I was a pastor, called to preach, I wanted to stay with the Bibles teaching of no more Sabbath days and no more restriction on our diet, of no meat. I could not stomach that, and I would not allow anyone to judge me on these two issues. I took their course on Revelation and it was the pits. They teach that the earth is a barren waste land for 1,000 yrs. THAT was for the birds. I could never be a SDA. BUT, I have read Ellen White on salvation and find her the very good as far as Repent, trust and obey Jesus for salvation. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

They meaning William Miller, James White, Ellen White maybe Hiram Smith not sure on the last one plus others were all studying Daniel and Revelation trying to understand the prophecy and they knew something important was going to happen in October 1844. They thought it was the second coming of Jesus and maybe they should have know better since there is a Bible verse that says no one knows the day or the hour. But they were mistaken as Jesus did not return on that date.

They went back and studied some more and discovered that they were obviously wrong in that interpretation, but that Jesus went from the Holy place into the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary and is in the process of cleansing the sanctuary as they did in the earthly sanctuary once a year. Jesus is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

the problem with this is that they were -still- mistaken...instead of rejecting the false prophecy of william miller...as they should have done in such a case of false prophecy...they just tweaked it a little bit so that they could remain in their error...

after it was clear that they were going to cling to the sin of false prophecy...God sent a spirit of confusion as punishment...the spirit of confusion was most clearly manifested in the so called 'ministry' of ellen white...who added error upon error in addition to the original error of 1844...

that spirit of confusion continues to permeate the seventh day adventist church to this day...the only way to get rid of it would be for them to repent from their first sin of false prophecy...