Are Seventh Day Adventist the "Remnent Church"

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LEPIDUS

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It is a cult. It was created by people that thought the world was going to end and failed to predict it twice.

So they began obsessing about worshiping on Sunday and had a woman prophet. That's a cult dude.
Do you make this assertion because you have thoroughly studied their beliefs, origination, etc. or because you heard something from someone implying that, or because it contradicts what society calls the norm?
 

LEPIDUS

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the problem with this is that they were -still- mistaken...instead of rejecting the false prophecy of william miller...as they should have done in such a case of false prophecy...they just tweaked it a little bit so that they could remain in their error...

after it was clear that they were going to cling to the sin of false prophecy...God sent a spirit of confusion as punishment...the spirit of confusion was most clearly manifested in the so called 'ministry' of ellen white...who added error upon error in addition to the original error of 1844...

that spirit of confusion continues to permeate the seventh day adventist church to this day...the only way to get rid of it would be for them to repent from their first sin of false prophecy...
May I ask where do you get this from?
 
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Kaycie

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I studied that religion. The young priest guy I studied with agreed that we are no longer under the old law/covenant, except for the Sabbath Day. But the new testament says if you obey a law you must obey all of it- therefore you would need a 2,000 year old high priest to to sacrifice to atone for your sins. And that would be an insult to Christ who is now our only High priest Who sacrificed once for all. According to Romans 7:14 and Matthew 17:1-5 just like in a marriage, following the teaching of Moses and Jesus would be committing spiritual adultery.

Also, he said God never intended man to eat meat, yet God commanded it in Deuteronomy 14:23 that His people eat from the herds and from the flock. Jesus, Who never sinned, kept and fulfilled the old law- and this was part of it- therefore Jesus ate meat.

You are correct in saying there is only one true church, but SDA just doesn't match the bible. I know it is a hard thing, but think about how many people were born and raised in false religions, and the odds of one of them being right that theirs is the one true church matching the bible are not good. We must all compare our church to the bible to see if it matches- no matter what others say or how you were brought up.
 

SolidGround

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SDA is a very divided group. They are not a unit that one can refute as a whole.

Some are legalistic, yet some are in an understanding of Grace.

Some are focused on worldly affairs such as politics, while some are focused on the spiritual things.

Some are in confusion about our calling, purpose, and dispensation,
while others are clear on these subjects.

Some are basically Jewish mystics, while others are firm in the faith.

Each congregation is different. Each member is different.
 

JaumeJ

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This is not a criticism, it is something that happened. The SDA only recently recognized the divinity of Jesus Christ. I welcome all who do believe Jesus Christ as family in Messiah, however no one is family in Jesus Christ who does not recognize Him for Who He is. So I welcome all SDA as in Jesus Christ and family. I realize no SDA has been holding the breath waiting for my endorsement, but you have it anyway if you bow to Jesus Christ.

As for the SDA being a cult, well, if the Bible is correct and true, and I believe it is, any theology that deems it necessary to name itself anything other than the faith of Abraham is suspect by yours truly as having cultist doctrine within the theology.

This stands to perfect reason because we are not to add or take away from the Word, be it the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, or the same written about in the Old Testament.

All who love Jesus Christ as the Salvation of mankind are my family in Jesus Christ. I do hope all the theologies accept a critter such as I who sticks with the faith of Abraham, amen.
 
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So it something you can do and not what Jesus did? That is called self righteousness is it not. What else can you do?
The only way you can express your love to an invisible God is through your faithful obedience to His will.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Do you know that when you make a graven image you are expressing hate towards God?

If you keep viewing the Law with a meritorious mindset, instead of a means to express your love for God, you yourself are still thinking with an Old Covenant mindset.
 
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This is not a criticism, it is something that happened. The SDA only recently recognized the divinity of Jesus Christ. I welcome all who do believe Jesus Christ as family in Messiah, however no one is family in Jesus Christ who does not recognize Him for Who He is. So I welcome all SDA as in Jesus Christ and family. I realize no SDA has been holding the breath waiting for my endorsement, but you have it anyway if you bow to Jesus Christ.

As for the SDA being a cult, well, if the Bible is correct and true, and I believe it is, any theology that deems it necessary to name itself anything other than the faith of Abraham is suspect by yours truly as having cultist doctrine within the theology.

This stands to perfect reason because we are not to add or take away from the Word, be it the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, or the same written about in the Old Testament.

All who love Jesus Christ as the Salvation of mankind are my family in Jesus Christ. I do hope all the theologies accept a critter such as I who sticks with the faith of Abraham, amen.
We talk of being a family and that family is based on love, this is true. But to be Jesus' brothers and sisters one must do the will of His Father.

Mark 3:33-35 But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”

We can believe who Jesus is and even call Him Lord but that does not mean we are part of His family.

Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
 
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Do you make this assertion because you have thoroughly studied their beliefs, origination, etc. or because you heard something from someone implying that, or because it contradicts what society calls the norm?
The first part. When I make a statement about something, it is because I have researched it and know it to be true.
 

JesusLives

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SDA is a very divided group. They are not a unit that one can refute as a whole.

Some are legalistic, yet some are in an understanding of Grace.

Some are focused on worldly affairs such as politics, while some are focused on the spiritual things.

Some are in confusion about our calling, purpose, and dispensation,
while others are clear on these subjects.

Some are basically Jewish mystics, while others are firm in the faith.

Each congregation is different. Each member is different.
I think this post could be true for most all denominations. Salvation is an individual work between the person and God.
 
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They meaning William Miller, James White, Ellen White maybe Hiram Smith not sure on the last one plus others were all studying Daniel and Revelation trying to understand the prophecy and they knew something important was going to happen in October 1844. They thought it was the second coming of Jesus and maybe they should have know better since there is a Bible verse that says no one knows the day or the hour. But they were mistaken as Jesus did not return on that date.

They went back and studied some more and discovered that they were obviously wrong in that interpretation, but that Jesus went from the Holy place into the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary and is in the process of cleansing the sanctuary as they did in the earthly sanctuary once a year. Jesus is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
The fact that the world didn't end in 1844 as per Ellen G. White's visions didn't stop her from picking another date.

And of course, the world didn't end on that date either.

The OP premise here that the SDA is the remnant is, in my opinion, absurd.

Ellen G. White has written on many subjects. I have read some of her writings. I'm not basing my opinion on what somebody's opinion of what she said is. I am basing my opinion on what she herself actually wrote.

In my opinion, Ellen G. White was squirrel bait.
 

crossnote

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SDA is a very divided group. They are not a unit that one can refute as a whole.

Some are legalistic, yet some are in an understanding of Grace.

Some are focused on worldly affairs such as politics, while some are focused on the spiritual things.

Some are in confusion about our calling, purpose, and dispensation,
while others are clear on these subjects.

Some are basically Jewish mystics, while others are firm in the faith.

Each congregation is different. Each member is different.
In this case I'd go by what it's official teachings say.
 

tourist

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I am sorry for you loss.



That is correct, I have attended some of their services and all that has been used is scripture. If I had not heard about Ellen G White on this forum I would have never known who she was, since the services I have attended never speak of her.
Thank you for your kind response. I sincerely appreciate it.
 

Angela53510

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[h=2]Are Seventh Day Adventist the "Remnent Church" NO! (remnant is the correct spelling)[/h]
 

JesusLives

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The fact that the world didn't end in 1844 as per Ellen G. White's visions didn't stop her from picking another date.

And of course, the world didn't end on that date either.

The OP premise here that the SDA is the remnant is, in my opinion, absurd.

Ellen G. White has written on many subjects. I have read some of her writings. I'm not basing my opinion on what somebody's opinion of what she said is. I am basing my opinion on what she herself actually wrote.

In my opinion, Ellen G. White was squirrel bait.
Do you have the reference of the two times Mrs. White was to have picked the two dates for Jesus to come back? I thought it was William Miller picking the dates but I could be wrong.
 
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Kerry

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well come on now they will be left and then realize that their doctrine was wrong so maybe they are the remnant.
 

Angela53510

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Anyone that claims it is the "remnant" church is in a cult. I don't care what church it is.