The law in us is love. Love that works in us. The law on stone is also love. But only a written descriprion of it. A description can not save. It only condemns those who do not love. Which is all of us. But Jesus was the law in action. Love in action which could and did have mercy. But the love is the same.
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The Law itself is Holy, perfect, pure and correct, but Cobus when it flows througyh flesh it can't perform it not 100%. And this is why Jesus said we need to be born again of the Spirit and this resurrection of the Spirit in you and anyone that believes is available at teh resurrection of Christ, and thus yes in the Spirit one does not sin. so yes that is where I want to always stay, yet somnetimes have not but learnoing to and thebest I ahve learned is to take day by day walking in the Spirit and then the next when it comes no more worries over past or frets of the future. That is where the Devil gets anyone
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nice! But on the Sabbatarian note,you have the branch of of the 7th day Adventists,still clinging to E.G.White's teachings,
@ Bible Prophecy | Online Bible Studies | Videos | WorldsLastChance.com but teaching that using the Julian/Gregorian calendar of today,the savbbath according to the Bible was on the 15th of Nissan etc - so the new moon is always on the 1st,and not a sabbath, the Sabbaths occur every 2nd,8th,22nd,25th,29th of every month!And that before a Sabbath, that day was a Preparation day where you do all your work,cook,clean etc before the sabbath arrived! Where as their break away, http://www.worldlastchance.org ? say no no they are wrong it's always on the 1st - new moon but the Sabbaths are on the 3rd,16th,19th,26th 28th!
And that the Jews changed the sabbath to a Saturday as God hid the true Sabbath day from man....They lost knowledge of the true sabbath day
But the Aramaic translator I talked to said No the early christians decided the Lords day was the day to worship in honor of his resurrection on a Sunday! And that worldlastchance.com are just very commercial, and have elevated their Sabbath days above God, and are on the verge of being idolatrous! He hasn't translated the Sabbath related scriptures yet!So can't tell me when the Sabbaths were according to the original Aramaic scriptures...
@ Bible Prophecy | Online Bible Studies | Videos | WorldsLastChance.com but teaching that using the Julian/Gregorian calendar of today,the savbbath according to the Bible was on the 15th of Nissan etc - so the new moon is always on the 1st,and not a sabbath, the Sabbaths occur every 2nd,8th,22nd,25th,29th of every month!And that before a Sabbath, that day was a Preparation day where you do all your work,cook,clean etc before the sabbath arrived! Where as their break away, http://www.worldlastchance.org ? say no no they are wrong it's always on the 1st - new moon but the Sabbaths are on the 3rd,16th,19th,26th 28th!
And that the Jews changed the sabbath to a Saturday as God hid the true Sabbath day from man....They lost knowledge of the true sabbath day
But the Aramaic translator I talked to said No the early christians decided the Lords day was the day to worship in honor of his resurrection on a Sunday! And that worldlastchance.com are just very commercial, and have elevated their Sabbath days above God, and are on the verge of being idolatrous! He hasn't translated the Sabbath related scriptures yet!So can't tell me when the Sabbaths were according to the original Aramaic scriptures...
Back in my post #53 of this thread, I wrote: It was the handwritten document which was used as a basis of judgement (thus dividing us further away from God as inferred by the word "enmity") that was abolished.
Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.."
No one has called me on that, but I would like to call myself to clarify a point about it. That enmity being referred to is most directly applicable to the division between the Jews and the Gentiles.
However, what I have in mind there is that enmity pushes us away from God, for: 1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ents-included-abolished-law-3.html#post991725
Thank you for allowing me to clarify that point.
Just as an added point: Because the Sabbath is pictorial of the thousnad year kingdom by Christ (earth's regeneration period) we had better be mindful to keep it holy. And if we do not practice doing that now (everyday), we will not do it then.
Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.."
No one has called me on that, but I would like to call myself to clarify a point about it. That enmity being referred to is most directly applicable to the division between the Jews and the Gentiles.
However, what I have in mind there is that enmity pushes us away from God, for: 1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ents-included-abolished-law-3.html#post991725
Thank you for allowing me to clarify that point.
Just as an added point: Because the Sabbath is pictorial of the thousnad year kingdom by Christ (earth's regeneration period) we had better be mindful to keep it holy. And if we do not practice doing that now (everyday), we will not do it then.
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Romans 7:4-14
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11[/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
With the guidance of the Holy Spirit it is simple. When we are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ we are no longer under the condemnation of the law. Why? Because the Lord has cleansed us and made us righteous. Not by what we had done (works of the Law) but by what He did in us (Grace).
We can never get too big for our britches. We will always stay humble because we have the Law showing us that without our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ we are hopelessly lost. Thankfully we are not under the Law because we would be condemned worse than anyone else. The veil is removed (in Christ) from our eyes and we are walking in the light.
We know that Greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world, the accuser of the brethren. We know that Greater is the Blood of the Lamb than the sin that besets us. In this the condemnation of the Law has no effect on the saved Christian. That's the lesson coming to Christ teaches us.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11[/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
With the guidance of the Holy Spirit it is simple. When we are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ we are no longer under the condemnation of the law. Why? Because the Lord has cleansed us and made us righteous. Not by what we had done (works of the Law) but by what He did in us (Grace).
We can never get too big for our britches. We will always stay humble because we have the Law showing us that without our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ we are hopelessly lost. Thankfully we are not under the Law because we would be condemned worse than anyone else. The veil is removed (in Christ) from our eyes and we are walking in the light.
We know that Greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world, the accuser of the brethren. We know that Greater is the Blood of the Lamb than the sin that besets us. In this the condemnation of the Law has no effect on the saved Christian. That's the lesson coming to Christ teaches us.
The problem is Jesus didn't SAY the ten commandments were dead, in fact he just told us which were the two most important of the ten.
But the LAW was NOT the commandments.
Paul condemned the Law even though Jesus did NOT. Why because Paul thought that being 'in Christ' allowed us to not be bound by sin and the LAW was about relief from sins committed (by sacrifice, etc.).
I personally think the Sabbath law has a new place in our world - it was designed for man (as Jesus said). He meant it meant we were to have rest from our toils so we could think about God. In the earlier times it was about not having to work every day. In modern times it is the same - though few use their day of rest as it is meant to be used. And many in the world cannot rest because EVERY day is a struggle. If they rest a day, they go hungry, they are not supplied with double rations the day before...
But if we covet or kill or steal then we are guilty. Even under God's new covenant. Saying "Lord, Lord" (which I think is a perfect Biblical analogy of the silly evangelical/calvinist prayer to get one saved) will get you a rebuff if you break the rules God set down.
You trinitarians are the most hypocritical. You say Jesus is God but say he had one set of rules and then made them easier so instead of the miriad of rules under the LAW (not just the commandments) we now just have to believe Jesus is God. Actually we are asked to believe Jesus is the SON of God but we're talking about hypocrosy so I'll stick with trinitarians.
You say that the God-man says I'm the God-man of the Sabbath so I can cancel that rule and, in fact if you believe I am God, you can ignore the other rules I made as I will let you off.
Isn't that God changing His mind?
So if Christians believe there is a new covenant - why was that covenant not around before as it's much easier than the LAW - as Paul states clearly.
So that leaves trinitarians with a God that is changeable. And as God is supposed to be outside time, it makes no sense.
I'd be interested on hearing how it makes sense from a trinitarian viewpoint. We do NOT need to discuss the trinity argument - I want to know how trinitarians think God is unchanging but changes quite significantly.
But the LAW was NOT the commandments.
Paul condemned the Law even though Jesus did NOT. Why because Paul thought that being 'in Christ' allowed us to not be bound by sin and the LAW was about relief from sins committed (by sacrifice, etc.).
I personally think the Sabbath law has a new place in our world - it was designed for man (as Jesus said). He meant it meant we were to have rest from our toils so we could think about God. In the earlier times it was about not having to work every day. In modern times it is the same - though few use their day of rest as it is meant to be used. And many in the world cannot rest because EVERY day is a struggle. If they rest a day, they go hungry, they are not supplied with double rations the day before...
But if we covet or kill or steal then we are guilty. Even under God's new covenant. Saying "Lord, Lord" (which I think is a perfect Biblical analogy of the silly evangelical/calvinist prayer to get one saved) will get you a rebuff if you break the rules God set down.
You trinitarians are the most hypocritical. You say Jesus is God but say he had one set of rules and then made them easier so instead of the miriad of rules under the LAW (not just the commandments) we now just have to believe Jesus is God. Actually we are asked to believe Jesus is the SON of God but we're talking about hypocrosy so I'll stick with trinitarians.
You say that the God-man says I'm the God-man of the Sabbath so I can cancel that rule and, in fact if you believe I am God, you can ignore the other rules I made as I will let you off.
Isn't that God changing His mind?
So if Christians believe there is a new covenant - why was that covenant not around before as it's much easier than the LAW - as Paul states clearly.
So that leaves trinitarians with a God that is changeable. And as God is supposed to be outside time, it makes no sense.
I'd be interested on hearing how it makes sense from a trinitarian viewpoint. We do NOT need to discuss the trinity argument - I want to know how trinitarians think God is unchanging but changes quite significantly.
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Homy, you know that we had some good experience and some not so good experience together on this site... Today I hope to share something with you that will help you SEE how the Spirit is still leading you, and not MOVING, or DRIVING you YET!
Homy, before we were called we did not worry being IN the Spirit or not... But this is the problem. We were taught that we can be IN the Spirit and still make mistakes... That is NOT true. Nowhere in the Bible does it say a person in the Spirit makes mistakes... It is the ones that WALKS OFF the WAY that makes mistakes, but that is ones that does not FOLLOW THE LEAD of the Spirit.
Homy get this now.... The Holy Spirit leads MANY PEOPLE, but only FEW FALLOWS HIM ALL THE WAY...
Homy Every person that still "make mistakes, sin, backslide, or goes against God's will" did not FOLLOW ALL THE WAY YET!!!
Some NEVER will follow all the way, and some will get BACK IN BEHIND the Spirit's lead and FOLLOW ALL THE WAY, and some will later again not follow, and some NEVER complete the WAY! But for those that ENDURE the FOLLOW THE SPIRIT... THEY SHALL BE SAVED...
Not one person is saved when he starts his "pick up the cross and follow the Spirit" but only when he FOLLOWED ALL THE WAY, then he shall be saved. Not one FOLLOWER is saved, but the ones that endured to the end. Completed the FOLLOW part. Then God FILLS... the FILLING OF THE SPIRIT is at the END of repentance, and after the FILLING there is no NEED FOR REPENTANCE, because there is NO SLIDE, NO SIN, NO MISTAKE... There is no more FOLLOWING, now there is only MOVING. The Spirit that used to LEAD, you now FILLED YOU AND MOVES YOU!
That Cobus that followed the Spirit has DIED IN THE WAY... And the Cobus that is BORN OF GOD, is now IN CHRIST, IN THE SPIRIT, and the CHRIST IS NW IN COBUS... The old COBUS THAT COULD SIN IS DEAD!!!!! Homy, DEAD!!!!! a DEAD PERSON CANNOT SIN!!!! And the NEW COBUS IS CHRIST JESUS IN COBUS... Not leading Cobus... LIVING IN COBUS.... The NEW LIFE IS CHRIST, NOT COBUS... Christ CANNOT sin... not in Jesus, not in Cobus, not in Homy... And as long as Homy can sin Homy has not died YET... Follow the Spirit, until Homy is DEAD!!!! And then Christ can come alive in YOU. Christ cannot be resurrected in you before you have not DIED off ALL SIN!!!!!
Homy, before we were called we did not worry being IN the Spirit or not... But this is the problem. We were taught that we can be IN the Spirit and still make mistakes... That is NOT true. Nowhere in the Bible does it say a person in the Spirit makes mistakes... It is the ones that WALKS OFF the WAY that makes mistakes, but that is ones that does not FOLLOW THE LEAD of the Spirit.
Homy get this now.... The Holy Spirit leads MANY PEOPLE, but only FEW FALLOWS HIM ALL THE WAY...
Homy Every person that still "make mistakes, sin, backslide, or goes against God's will" did not FOLLOW ALL THE WAY YET!!!
Some NEVER will follow all the way, and some will get BACK IN BEHIND the Spirit's lead and FOLLOW ALL THE WAY, and some will later again not follow, and some NEVER complete the WAY! But for those that ENDURE the FOLLOW THE SPIRIT... THEY SHALL BE SAVED...
Not one person is saved when he starts his "pick up the cross and follow the Spirit" but only when he FOLLOWED ALL THE WAY, then he shall be saved. Not one FOLLOWER is saved, but the ones that endured to the end. Completed the FOLLOW part. Then God FILLS... the FILLING OF THE SPIRIT is at the END of repentance, and after the FILLING there is no NEED FOR REPENTANCE, because there is NO SLIDE, NO SIN, NO MISTAKE... There is no more FOLLOWING, now there is only MOVING. The Spirit that used to LEAD, you now FILLED YOU AND MOVES YOU!
That Cobus that followed the Spirit has DIED IN THE WAY... And the Cobus that is BORN OF GOD, is now IN CHRIST, IN THE SPIRIT, and the CHRIST IS NW IN COBUS... The old COBUS THAT COULD SIN IS DEAD!!!!! Homy, DEAD!!!!! a DEAD PERSON CANNOT SIN!!!! And the NEW COBUS IS CHRIST JESUS IN COBUS... Not leading Cobus... LIVING IN COBUS.... The NEW LIFE IS CHRIST, NOT COBUS... Christ CANNOT sin... not in Jesus, not in Cobus, not in Homy... And as long as Homy can sin Homy has not died YET... Follow the Spirit, until Homy is DEAD!!!! And then Christ can come alive in YOU. Christ cannot be resurrected in you before you have not DIED off ALL SIN!!!!!
The 10 commandments are the tutor that brings us to Christ. The 10 commandments aren't love. Christ is Love. The 10 commandments are just a description of the Spirit that is Love. Our will and flesh cannot attain this. We must have the Lord Jesus Save us and give us the Holy Spirit which causes us to have love for God and our neighbor.
When we come to Christ we are no longer under the law, then through the Holy Spirit we can Love. If you don't include this solution then all you do is condemn with the Law.
When we come to Christ we are no longer under the law, then through the Holy Spirit we can Love. If you don't include this solution then all you do is condemn with the Law.
Every day is Holy to me and I give God thanks for this and for all others that believe the way you all do too it is between God and me as well as between god and you all For God has recieved those that believe in him by his Son we are made whole by the resurrection of Christ if we beleive and I see each in belief, so I thank God for this
Romans 14:4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I am so sorry it seems you are not freed from sin through the death, burial, and resurrection The true Love of God that came to free us to Love all unconditionally.
put works in the way our own and we sin period no flesh in his sight will ever please him (GOD) the only flesh that ever did was and is his Son Christ and the purpose of this was to bring in a new Covenant, a new Law and a new Priesthood. the new Covenant is we are freed from the stress of the Old Covenant of trying to obey it, the stress the worry of whjether I will do it right or wrong, because Christ took away the sin of the world and did this once and for all Sister. Just waiting for us to come to belief in Him over this and then once one sees they are by the cross 100% forgiven whether they sin or not then is when they will stop and get focused on the new life found in the resurrection of Christ and strangelySister sin has disappeared because as a person thinks (sows) so shall they do
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
All the commandments are filled in the Love of God provided through the cross especially through the resurrection
Galatians 5:7[ Love Fulfills the Law ] You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Galatians 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 6:12As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
put works in the way our own and we sin period no flesh in his sight will ever please him (GOD) the only flesh that ever did was and is his Son Christ and the purpose of this was to bring in a new Covenant, a new Law and a new Priesthood. the new Covenant is we are freed from the stress of the Old Covenant of trying to obey it, the stress the worry of whjether I will do it right or wrong, because Christ took away the sin of the world and did this once and for all Sister. Just waiting for us to come to belief in Him over this and then once one sees they are by the cross 100% forgiven whether they sin or not then is when they will stop and get focused on the new life found in the resurrection of Christ and strangelySister sin has disappeared because as a person thinks (sows) so shall they do
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
All the commandments are filled in the Love of God provided through the cross especially through the resurrection
Galatians 5:7[ Love Fulfills the Law ] You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Galatians 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 6:12As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.