Are we ready for the catching away of the church?

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kote

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there are many people that do not believe in the "rapture", but there are others who believe in it with all their hearts.
my question is ...
if you believe in it, are you sure you're gonna be caught up to heaven?
if you don´t, what do you think about the term "catching away of the church"


I'll be so grateful if you share your opinion. :)
 

Reborn

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Be ready...the answers you seek.....should begin soon......:D
 

Reborn

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I'll start....
No Rapture.
Just things getting worse and worse throughout the planet,
.......and then the Second Coming at the 7th Trumpet.
We will then be 'caught up' with Him along with those who have passed before us.
This should be a not so popular response....but still what I believe.
 
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kote

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I'll start....
No Rapture.
Just things getting worse and worse throughout the planet,
.......and then the Second Coming at the 7th Trumpet.
We will then be 'caught up' with Him along with those who have passed before us.
This should be a not so popular response....but still what I believe.
thanks for sharing
 

Reborn

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thanks for sharing
There are so many different people that think different ways here.
I'm sure you'll get some other ideas on the Rapture.
I believe I am right, just as they believe they are right.....but what do you feel is right?

One thing is for sure,... not everyone can be right.
Am I right?:D
 
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there are many people that do not believe in the "rapture", but there are others who believe in it with all their hearts.
my question is ...
if you believe in it, are you sure you're gonna be caught up to heaven?
if you don´t, what do you think about the term "catching away of the church"


I'll be so grateful if you share your opinion. :)
I don't believe in the pre-tribulation rapture. I do, however, believe a form of the idea of rapture is correct. I believe that when Christ returns is the resurrection of the Saints. If we be living, our resurrection will still take place. To me, that is the "catching away of the church."
 

Angela53510

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No rapture! Just things getting worse until the Lord returns.

"Catching away of the church" is not found in the Bible. Nor is rapture. Just a myth, perpetuated first by the Latin Vulgate, and then Darby and Scofield. No "get out of the world" free cards for North American Christians, when there is so much persecution in the church in so many places in the world!

I eagerly await the return of Jesus Christ. I just want to see him and serve him.
 
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Kerry

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Anyone ever read that the restrainer must be removed. Who or what is the restrainer?
 
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Marian29

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there are many people that do not believe in the "rapture", but there are others who believe in it with all their hearts.
my question is ...
if you believe in it, are you sure you're gonna be caught up to heaven?
if you don´t, what do you think about the term "catching away of the church"


I'll be so grateful if you share your opinion. :)
1 Tes. 4:13-18

" But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught UP together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
 
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there are many people that do not believe in the "rapture", but there are others who believe in it with all their hearts.
my question is ...
if you believe in it, are you sure you're gonna be caught up to heaven?
if you don´t, what do you think about the term "catching away of the church"


I'll be so grateful if you share your opinion. :)
The rapture is only the vehicle.
The heart of the matter is the gathering of the bride by the groom. W/O this ingrediant,the whole event is abstract.
We are discussing the trees in the forest without any regard as to the purpose of the trees.
Only a pretrib rapture harmonises with the word.
The argument that ancient church fathers "never mention","was never taught" is old rubbish that anyone that cares enough can debunk. (basically ignorant lies and slander....no nice way to say it)
 
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SaintInLight

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Well, you either believe the Word of God...or you don't.
What is the Word of God?
Which is the Word of God?
Where is the Word of God?
What "version" is the Word of God?
Is God omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent?
Does God "change"?
Does His Word change?
Is His Word magnified above His Name?
Is He Perfectly capable of preserving His Holy Spirit Inspired Word like He says He is?

Or, is the crux of the matter, simply,
Genesis 3:1
..."hath God said????"
Really?Are you sure?
The Devil say's He didn't "really say"...and the whole world agrees.....
It's the FIRST thing the Adversary Attacked in the first mention of him in the Word....

Yes, let God be true and Everyman a Liar as it is WRITTEN...
The Blessed Hope, the Day of Christ and Catching Away(caught up), is the Word of God.
It is Only understood and received through a contrite, humble and meek heart and His only Word (KJB AV 1611) the Simplicity that is in Christ Jesus.

Hope this is a blessing in Jesus mighty name!
 
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SaintInLight

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2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
 
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biscuit

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if you believe in it, are you sure you're gonna be caught up to heaven?

Absolutely!! If a Christian is saved and has the Holy Ghost, it is a sure thing. I have always stated for nearly a decade that the raptured Church will be very small because the percentage of "true Christian" is quite small.

The Pew Forum did a study on Christian devotion on the practice of the religion in reference to the NT and found that only 6% actually practice and obey it correctly.

Translation: Most Christians are hypocrites and actually are not saved with the biggest culprit being the inability to refrain from the secular culture. If one is truly saved , he or she will make a very serious attempt to reject the lifestyle. (1 John 2:15-16). One cannot serve God & Satan at the same time and expect to have eternal life. IMHO, 80% of Christians cannot resist the secular lifestyle.
 
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john832

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there are many people that do not believe in the "rapture", but there are others who believe in it with all their hearts.
my question is ...
if you believe in it, are you sure you're gonna be caught up to heaven?
if you don´t, what do you think about the term "catching away of the church"


I'll be so grateful if you share your opinion. :)
The "catching away of the church" is a false doctrine that was congealed in 1520AD by Francisco Ribera, popularized by John Nelson Darby in the 1830's and then brought to the front by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins. It is a false doctrine that is going to cause a lot of misery, confusion and loss of belief when the Tribulation occurs and Christ doesn't come in some "secret rapture" and take the church away.
 
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sassylady

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I believe in it and I am ready
 
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All through the history of the Church there has been no preservation against the wrath of men. We read about Muslims slicing Christians with machetes almost daily even now. But scripture promises no born again child of God is being held to endure the wrath of God.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


That invites focus on more of that passage.
1 Thessalonians 5:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.


That invites exploration of the context in greater detail. Whateve label you wish to put on this is another matter.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (KJV)
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But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

That kind of event has already happened before Paul wrote those words.
Matthew 27:50-54 (KJV)
[SUP]50 [/SUP] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[SUP]51 [/SUP] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[SUP]52 [/SUP] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[SUP]53 [/SUP] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


But of course there will be those saying they are Christians that don't believe many parts of the Bible, especially that one. So then it should be expected they would not believe a rescue of the faithful from the horrid events of the Tribulation before the wrath of God is poured out. Not believing that is probably due to rejecting the account of Noah's family being preserved before and through the great flood of God's wrath on earth.

I doubt the majority of people thinking themselves to be in Christ are ready for rescue before the next "flood" of God's wrath.

The real Church on earth is what hinders the judgment. When the saints within the world church are taken out, there will not be any praying in faith, none heard by God. Without that "hedge" there is nothing left to hinder the inevitable. All the godly mothers will be removed from judgment of their beloved children.
 

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Ready or not when it happens and it will those who are saved and the church that Christ claims as His bride will go. Those who don't well it doesn't look good for them.

All the tribulation events are for Israel not for the church. As they say sorry but it isn't about you.

For the cause of Christ
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there are many people that do not believe in the "rapture", but there are others who believe in it with all their hearts.
my question is ...
if you believe in it, are you sure you're gonna be caught up to heaven?
if you don´t, what do you think about the term "catching away of the church"


I'll be so grateful if you share your opinion. :)
There will be a catching away, it's just not before the tribulation as many suppose. When Christ returns at His second coming He will send forth His angles to collect His elect, that is the catching away.
 
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There will be a catching away, it's just not before the tribulation as many suppose. When Christ returns at His second coming He will send forth His angles to collect His elect, that is the catching away.
Jesus' second coming is a landing on earth, there to remain ruling for a thousand years. Why catch His saints up into the air while He's coming down through the air?

The "rapture" isn't a second coming to the earth in the sense of His birth. It is to the atmosphere with no fanfare.
1 Corinthians 15:51-58 (KJV)
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Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[SUP]56 [/SUP] The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP] But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]58 [/SUP] Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


There will be two trumpet soundings apart from the trumps of Revelation during the tribulation. One sounds for the dead in Christ to rise from mortality to immortality. The second and last of those calls up those still alive in Christ, made equal to those dead in Christ. We'll be "up there" with Christ wherever that is, then return with Him at the end of the Antichrist's reign on earth.
 
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Ready or not when it happens and it will those who are saved and the church that Christ claims as His bride will go. Those who don't well it doesn't look good for them.

All the tribulation events are for Israel not for the church. As they say sorry but it isn't about you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Some events are for Israel alone, the whole of ancient Israel, but looking at the many applications of "earth" and fewer of the "world", it wouldn't make sense to punish only the land of Israel when the whole world of kingdoms has played the harlot.
Revelation 3:7-13 (KJV)
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And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Some in the world will escape the wrath. Even now the things of the Middle East, and of Israel alone involve the whole earth in many ways. Security breached there is security breached everywhere. Therefore pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Psalm 122:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP] Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

A man might have worldly prosperity now, but refusing to love that house of God will bring on poverty. Probably most wealth is lost apart from that rejection already. A time comes when all unrighteous prosperity will vanish.