Augustine and Original Sin

Tombo · May 15, 2012

Here is what Martin Luther taught Tombo.

Martin Luther, Letter From Luther to Melanchthon Letter no. 99, 1 August 1521
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/letsinsbe.txt

Do you stand by that? Is that the doctrine you hold to?

That is the fruit of the heretical blessed exchange doctrine that Martin Luther taught. It forces the conclusion that conduct does not matter. All the warnings in the scripture are then thrown out the window. Utter foolishness to follow the doctrines of men and deny what the Bible plainly states.

How about this...

If that is not blasphemy against the Holy Ghost I do not know what is.

The reference for that quote is as follows.

Sited from: J. Dollinger, La Reforme et les resultants qu’elle a produits. (Trans. E. Perrot, Paris, Gaume, 1848-49), Vol III, pg. 248

I managed to dig it up online so you can verify it for yourself.

La Réforme, son développement intérieur et les résultats qu'elle a produits ... - Johannes Joseph Ignaz von Döllinger, L. A. Unger, Emmanuel-Napoléon Perrot - Google Books

Use Babel Fish to translate it.

Free Online Translation

I have not even quoted some of the filth Martin Luther wrote about the Jews. Yet people hold this man up as a man of God? It is absolutely unbelievable and proves that ignorance abounds.

Is it any wonder that Martin Luther supported the murder of the Anabaptists? You should look that one up. He was no man of God. Look up and read "Against the Robbing and Murdering Hordes of Peasants" some time. Doesn't sound much like Jesus to me.

While there may have been some violent and rebellious elements among some of the Anabaptist groups they were just the ones who made the most noise and thus were able to be used to justify the murder of so many people. If you denied infant baptism it wasn't just the Catholic Church you had to worry about.

John Calvin is no better either, I have things to do right now so I will spare you the embarrassment of some of his quotes.

Martin Luther is correct in his understanding of sin . He is not condoning sin, but facing the reality that we will always struggle against sin while alive or until Christ returns.
You don't seem to understand that you are sinner before repenting and after. Your repentance needs repenting of. All of our works are as filthy rags in God's sight. Luther understood it, you don't.
God bless.

Tom

SantoSubito · May 15, 2012

Skinski7 said:

I have found no such double speak in either Augustine's Confessions or in De Civitate Dei contra Paganos in English or Latin.

Similarly, If you want him to be the father of all that is wrong in Christianity you will filter his writings accordingly. But the filter theory is for lack of a better word poppycock.

I never said Augustine got everything right and even today we can't say he was wrong (by the way it should be unbaptized babies not unelect). We simply do not now what happens to unbaptized infants, all we know is that they are entrusted to the Divine Mercy.

Both really. We can choose to sin, and our nature inclines us to do so.

Crossfire · May 15, 2012

Tombo said:

*shaking head*

Have you ever read Romans 8, 2 Peter 1, 1 John 3? All three chapters, by three different Apostles mind you, state something quite the opposite of what you & Luther are implying.

Tombo · May 15, 2012

Crossfire said:

Have you ever read Romans 7:7-25?

Tom

Crossfire · May 16, 2012

Tombo said:

Yes I have. In fact, you can not understand the intended context of Romans 7:7-25 without first reading Romans 6 beforehand, and Romans 8 afterward.

Man's carnality is easily explained when you fully understand what occurred at the fall. God created man with various needs that only God himself could satisfy. When man fell, God no longer provided for those needs thus man was forced to fend for themselves. As a result of the fall, man became a selfish, self centered being. Self Centeredness is the underlying cause of all sin.

However, now that Christ has restored right relationship between the believer and God, God has given us everything needed through the indwelling Holy Spirit to live to the biblical standard: the Divine Nature (Which Is Love) working in us and through us which fulfills the righteous requirement of the law.

Abiding · May 16, 2012

More opinions according to others opinions...most havnt really done their homework.
Alot is done in the name of Jesus Christ that dishonors His name. So the arguement
here of Luther and Calvin and the fruit from their lives(mere men) is biased from
sentiment. Their good fruit has lasted thousands of years by the way.

What i mean by sentiment is like some here who say things like: i dont like that
doctrine because it makes sin ok. Or causes people to sin, or justifies sin. That is what is called
in the bible..using the Word deceitfully, and is just not at all sound reasoning. I could
make many silly examples doing that same thing. Actually it leads to false teaching based on
personal sentiment which drives your theology ...and you constantly admit it. And accuse
people with that attitude of sin often. Always a false accusation by the way and insulting.

Antisemitism? read matthew 23 then go back and read Luther. And get real...
Luther had nothing to do with Hitler. Apparently few know who Martin was talking
about in his day. But then again most really dont know whats up even today. Or for
that matter who supported Hitler.

My intent in writing this is to advise some here to quit making doctrine up
from sentimental feelings. And the constant boast from room to room and
from thread to thread about all "YOU" have seen is just too much.

Crossfire · May 16, 2012

Abiding said:

No one said the Lutheran Church supported Hitler. Hitler himself professed to be a Catholic. What was said is that the Lutheran Church sat idly by and did nothing thus allowing Hitler to commit such atrocities. All because they believed in "New Covenant Theology" (better known as Replacement Theology) that many of you hold so dear.

I find this idea that Jews are the ultimate evil and will somehow take over the world beginning a one world government based on the ceremonial law to be nothing more than hate mongering. In case you didn't notice, antisemitism is on the rise once again. It seems like every time there is economic crisis someone somewhere points the finger at the Jew. Many are opting to return to Israel despite the many dangers of doing so which, is bible prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes. But then again, I wouldn't expect some to believe that seeing as they believe all prophecy was fulfilled in 2000 years ago.

Tombo · May 16, 2012

Crossfire said:

And you know for a fact that every Lutheran Church sat idly by and did nothing, thus allowing Hitler to commit such atrocites??? You seem to be somewhat naive. Do you really think think any Church in Germany could have stopped Hitler??!!The holocaust had nothinbg to do with any Church doctrines. This is ridiculous that you even make such accusations.
And who here has shown any kind of antisemitic attitude??? I know I haven't.
Oh well, some people like to put themselves forward as experts on everything

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Tom

Crossfire · May 16, 2012

Tombo said:

Not all but the vast majority of Lutherans did do nothing. You should read the works of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a Lutheran Pastor and a WW2 Christian martyr, sometime. His book "The Cost of Discipleship" is an absolute must read for every believer.

While I do study much doctrine, history was my major.

BTW - Are you even aware of what your siding with in this conversation? This goes far beyond our personal interpretations of grace.

Tommy4Christ · May 16, 2012

You cannot mix truth with error,

1Co 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened.

Those who insist you can and still get some good from it don't love the truth.

2Jn 1:9 Everyone transgressing and not abiding in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.

Some here are so deceived, and blinded by the lies, who would actually defend Martin Luther over the words of Christ, this is a shame!

2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

Luther was a dishonest man, his doctrine was from demons, teaching you can sin, sin, sin, and all is well, so keep doing it!

This folks is right from the pit!!

Tombo · May 17, 2012

Tommy4Christ said:

Have you ever heard of the word hyperbole??? Martin Luther was not actually telling people to sin as much as they can!!!! Anyone who has ever read about Martin Luther would know that he was one of the most outspoken men against sin that you could find. When he was under bondage to the RC teaching, he nearly killed himself by by depriving himself of food, and beating his physical body to try and bring it under subjection BY HIS OWN POWER (sound familiar?) but could not do it. When Martin Luther was converted to Christ, he saw that he could do nothing without Christ's strength. He saw that anything he tried to do on his own was useless and didn't help him against sin at all. When he saw the truth that there was nothing he could do, but that he had to rest in Christ's finished work; then the victory began to come to him. Luther understood well, from scripture, that we are spiritually dead and unable to please God in our own strength.
You people who think that you have this ability to repent and make yourselves good, and make God beholden to save you because of it, really make me sad. You are in the same place Luther was before being delivered from his sins and resting in Christ.
I would just like to ask skinski7 and Tommy4Chrst, are you now sinless??? You speak of being saved so long as you continue in your repentance, and being unsaved if you fall into sin. So just answer me this one question: Are you sinless right now, since you preach so much about repentance in your own strength. Are you now walking without sin? Don't give me anything about mistakes, I want to know if you consider yourself without sin now?

Tom

Skinski7 · May 17, 2012

Tombo said:

You want me to answer your question according to your definition of sin.

You already know what I believe and what I teach. Your motivation for that question is similar to the Pharisees when they questioned Jesus in an attempt to find some reason to discredit Him.

To prove your deceitfulness I will use this quote.

Source Link
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41133-children-saved-2.html#post694094

I have written many times on these forums very specifically that when one is broken on the rock of Christ through a godly sorrow which works a genuine repentance that they come to God presuming nothing. I have specifically used the examples of Nineveh and the Prodigal Son who in both instances pleaded for mercy with no presumption of them being owed anything from God except judgment.

Yet you take my words and twist them into that blatant lie you wrote above.

You do that because you cannot address the truth and thus you twist the truth of my words into a lie and address the lie. That is the fruit of a wicked and deceitful heart Tombo.

You have many times denied the fact that repentance must come before salvation. You completely ignore 2Cor 7:10 where Paul specifically wrote that godly sorrow works repentance unto salvation. You hold your dogma above the Bible. You don't believe the Bible. You only use the Bible as a means to support your theological system by cherry picking isolated verses.

Therefore with all this being so, you now ask me am I without sin?

I have clearly answered that question before. Jam 4:17 and 1Joh 3:4 define sin as violating ones conscience and transgressing a known command. Those are the sins that stop. My flesh is crucified with Christ and count myself dead to sin, thus I no longer yield my members to unrighteousness. I am not drawn away by my lusts into sin, rather I walk in the Spirit and do not fulfill the lusts of my flesh.

You want to define all sin as the same and that is why you stated, "Don't give me anything about mistakes." You like to isolate 1Joh 1:8 out of context and apply it to me to prove I am a liar.

Jesus healed on the Sabbath day and the Pharisees called Him a sinner.

I am not a slave to sin because I do not yield to it and you will call me a liar.

You sir are the liar as clearly evidenced in that post I have quoted above.

Jesus said this...

Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

I say that men must repent and forsake their evil and turn to God. If they do this God will empower them with His Spirit to walk in complete victory over sin and the devil. These people will not be serving two masters, they will not be walking in the light and darkness, they will be walking by a faith that works by love in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ producing the fruit of righteousness in their life. Not of their own merit, but by the working of God within which they have humbly yielded to.

pickles · May 17, 2012

Sorry I could not read all.
But does not the scriptures say.
That just as sin began with one man, bringing death, that the same sin is payed for, overcome by one man, Jesus!
Thus sin no longer brings death, condemnation.
But in Jesus, payed in full! Grace!

God bless
pickles

Skinski7 · May 17, 2012

pickles said:

In Romans 5 Paul wrote that is was by one man that sin entered the world and thus death by sin. Death then reigned over all men because all sinned. The death it is speaking of here is spiritual death.

Many have followed Adam's example and have either sinned in the same manner he did by directly violating a command of God (1Joh 3:4) or by violating the law of conscience (Jam 4:17). Both bring death (Rom 5:14).

Jesus then came teaching men how to live, He also offered Himself up to God on our behalf that our past sins be forgiven. Those who submit to His teaching and forsake their sin can enter into the Holy of Holies and have their sins purged upon the mercy seat (Christ) by His blood. Those who do this can then serve God acceptably because their past transgressions have been purged.

Jesus did not pay your penalty in your place and satisfy the wrath of God. That is a false teaching invented by the reformers about 400 years ago.

There are many false teachings in the church system today, it is so bad that people need to get out of the system and dig into the Bible for themselves like their lives depended on it because it does.

We live in a time of extreme deception and it is much worse than many can even comprehend.

Red33 · May 17, 2012

Crossfire said:

God sent His Son and the word became flesh and dwelt among men. He has risen from the dead and ascended to the right hand of the Father, He has sent the Spirit and given gifts to the church. His greatest desire is that we would know Him and abide in Him and that His word would abide in us. That in His body we would see the word become flesh (so to speak) or that we would be living epistles known and read of all men (2Cor 3:2,3). Being ambassadors for Christ, in Christ's stead, with a word and ministry of reconciliation that God does not impute sin (2Cor 5:18-20). To get this message out God has to squeeze and crush the grapes of the vine so that the new wine of the Holy Spirit is poured out and when men taste it they will see and taste that the Lord is good, a poured out life and the giver of new life born from above.

Red33 · May 17, 2012

Skinski7 said:

In Romans 5 Paul wrote that is was by one man that sin entered the world and thus death by sin. Death then reigned over all men because all sinned. The death it is speaking of here is spiritual death.

Many have followed Adam's example and have either sinned in the same manner he did by directly violating a command of God (1Joh 3:4) or by violating the law of conscience (Jam 4:17). Both bring death (Rom 5:14).

Jesus then came teaching men how to live, He also offered Himself up to God on our behalf that our past sins be forgiven. Those who submit to His teaching and forsake their sin can enter into the Holy of Holies and have their sins purged upon the mercy seat (Christ) by His blood. Those who do this can then serve God acceptably because their past transgressions have been purged.

This is where you err. He was offered and made propitiation for ALL sins (1Jn 2:2, 4:10, Rom 3:25) and through His blood we have access to the Holy place (Heb 10:19), not to have our sins purged but to see that that have been already been paid for and put away and to be remembered no more (Heb 9:25,26, 10:17).

Jesus did not pay your penalty in your place and satisfy the wrath of God. That is a false teaching invented by the reformers about 400 years ago.

Again you err. The wrath of God is upon all them that do not believe, who remain the children of disobedience (Jn 3:36, Eph 5:6, Col 3:6, 1Thes 1:10, 5:9). When we turn to the Lord and believe unto His righteousness, who became sin for us and was judged for our sin through death (Col 1:20-22, Heb 2:14,15. 1Pt 3:18, Heb 9:26, Rom 3:23-26), the condemnation of wrath is taken from us (Jn 5:24, Rom 5:9,16-18, 8:1, Eph 2:3). You can't accept that because of your bad knowledge and evil heart of unbelief.

There are many false teachings in the church system today (and that would include you), it is so bad that people need to get out of the system and dig into the Bible for themselves like their lives depended on it because it does.

The salvation that God has provided sinful man through His Son is all mercy and grace and Christ is our substitute, who took our place and suffered physical death for us on our behalf. That is what makes it a great salvation and one that can not be taken from us because of redemption which is eternal and obtained for us (Heb 9:12). We receive and have all this imputed to us by grace and through faith without works. If it involved any works other than the work of faith it would not be by grace (Rom 11:6).

We live in a time of extreme deception and it is much worse than many can even comprehend.

Rom 4:4-8

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Tommy4Christ · May 17, 2012

We can now see what can happens when one mixes truth with error, such as original sin, substitution, total depravity, and ignores the process of real salvation, they close thier eyes and ears, and have no patients to actually read the word of God to see if its true, thay have bought into the lie, accepted the mark, and have no desire to come out from among her! Rev ch 18!

They love the lie, teach the lie, and will not listen to any reason, again I challenge you guys such as Red33, and Tombo, to do this:

First I want you to sit down and open your Bible. Start with the Book of Matthew and study through the Words of Jesus from start to finish. Take notes, do an outline. Now do the same thing with Mark, Luke and John. Remember: zero in on the teaching of Jesus. Contemplate every word, deeply consider His interactions with men. When you are satisfied you have completed the study to the best of you ability, I want you to consult your notes and FIND where Jesus specifically and clearly told the people that He intended to become their Substitute and Cover their sins, Past, Present and Future. (Look hard! If it’s not there you’re in serious trouble)

You could conduct this study a thousand times over and I 1000% Guarantee you’re NOT going to find and such thing in Jesus’ teaching. He NEVER mentioned any of them. Only Repentance and Faith and follow Him in Obedience to the end. Would’t it stand to reason that IF the Doctrines that main-stream Christianity hold as absolute truth, would be Confirmed 100% by Christ who originated it? Yet He NEVER mentioned any of it.
Other Passages in the New Testament, written by the Apostles, could not possibly confirm any of these Doctrines either. WHY? Would His own Disciples contradict their Master!? So unless you cast the same dispersions on certain passages that give you permission to sin, you have no support whatsoever. Again, You profess to Follow Jesus and be a Christian. So where’s the evidence that what you believe is confirmed by Jesus? There’s not one instance of Him mentioning anything about Substitution, taking your place, obeying for you or covering future sin. If there is FIND IT!
This brings us back to the Gal and 1Cor passages. In light of all these things how can you avoid disqualification if your Future sins are NOT Covered? You’re in a real predicament with very little ground to stand on. Your own Salvation is based on sinning daily and the magic cover. And you’re hopelessly addicted to all kinds of sin. So what’s the answer, is there any way out of this mess or do you just remain confident that your future sins are taken care of?
I’m going to tell you the reason you’re facing such a quandary. It’s NOT going to be easy to swallow. In fact it will be a very bitter pill of reality IF you accept it. But I do this for your own good and that if there is the slightest chance you may wake up from your trance, it’s worth causing you pain. Try to receive it humbly.
Many of you have been Posing as Christians for years. Some since childhood. You have a lifetime of church membership and decades of service. Everything you know and everything you are is based on this ‘supposed’ Christianity. It’s your life! But as we have Proved without doubt it has lead you into a life of sin and excuses for sin, all Covered however with no worries.
The Reason you are caught in this deception is really very simple: ‘YOU NEVER WERE SAVED TO BEGIN WITH!’ Think about it. You came into the Kingdom in your sins and continued in them with the assurance God would clean you up in His time. When that never happened you dug into the Doctrines and found the Great Substitution teaching that guarantees your future forgiveness. In time you learned to rest in that and quite your conscience to conviction. But the fact remains you NEVER Stopped sinning! courtesy of Mike Desario wwwstandingthegap.org

Remember, its not our gospel, its Christ, all Christ, and what He actually taught and commanded His true sheep to do! So instead of forming a doctrine from a few isolated verses as you do, go to the word as described above, then come and post what you have found, then we can have a legit conversation, remove the mud from your eyes, open your heart, and face the fact you are in great error, and your swelling words of emptiness profit nothing as you accuse but fail to do the research because IN your mind you have truth, you trust your favorite pastor or ministry, and woe to you if you are wrong!

Tombo · May 17, 2012

Skinski7 said:

That is a lie straight from hell and shows your completre ignorance of what salvation really is. Jesus was our scapegoat who had our sins laid on him. He was driven away from the presence of the Father on our behalf.
I can go into all kinds of verses (and have done so in the past) to show you the truth, but you are blinded by satan and can't see anything but your own works.
It is terrible the things you are teaching people on this site. No one can save themsleves by repenting or anything else. And no one can lose their salvation. Jesus cleary said that we can't be plucked out of the Father's hand.
Flee from this man, brothers and sisters, and his minions that follow him (I think we know the three or four who do) and run to Jesus Christ for mercy and salvation. This mans ways are of the devil. They are blind and want to blind you too. They want to have the credit for their salvation. They want you to believe that you can lose what Christ has won for you. They have no understanding of grace at all. They are under the same blindness the nation of Israel was under when they thought keeping the law would save them.
They cut and paste the same things from the false websites they follow. They can't argue their postion, so they let their false teachers do it for them. Where is that fool with the literal ashes spread on his face and wearing sackcloth? That is who they follow, people who think they are holy because of what they do, making a spectacle of themselves to show what they think repentance is. Repentance is a matter of the heart, not of putting ashes on ones face and wearing literal sackcloth!!!! They have no clue about what Chirst has done for us.
Flee from these people like the plaque. Jesus is our all, He has done all for us. He lived a perfect life, being obedient to God in all things for our sake, and He took the penalty of the law for us. We repent and live a life of holiness and good works BECAUE OF WHAT JESUS DID, and NOT IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED. We do it out of love to God for saving us, not in order to induce Him to save us!!!! But they cannot make the distinction, because they want the credit for saving themsleves. Just look at the underlined poriton of what this deceiver wrote and you will see it. Anyone who teaches this are bringing satan's message. They are lost and want to see you be destroyed with them.
My prayer is that God would keep my brothers and sisters in Christ from being deceived by these workers of iniquity.
God bless.

Tom

Skinski7 · May 17, 2012

I did not err.

I said this...

You responded with this...

Red33 said:

Jesus Christ is the mercy seat and we have to enter the Holy of Holies as living sacrifices. The blood is then applied to us and our sins are purged. That is what the Bible clearly teaches. To blatantly deny that the blood "purges" sins proves that you have not studied this issue because you do not appear to know the verses which clearly speak of sins being purged.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Propitiation - hilastērion
Neuter of a derivative of G2433; an expiatory (place or thing), that is, (concretely) an atoning victim, or (specifically) the lid of the Ark (in the Temple): - mercyseat, propitiation.

Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

2Pe_1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Are you going to ignore those verses that speak on sins being purged like Tombo ignores 2 Cor 7:10 in regards to repentance unto salvation?One must be walking in the light for the blood to cleanse you of all sin. You cannot access the blood when still in rebellion.Rom 4:1-8 is teaching that the justification of the sinner by God is not something that God owes the sinner. That is all it is teaching, we cannot obligate God to owe us salvation, it is by His mercy. To take that passage and throw works out the window is foolishness. It was Jesus who taught that we are to STRIVE to enter in through the strait gate and narrow way and it was Jesus who taught that we must be doers of the word.

You can believe that Jesus was your substitute in a penal sense all day long. If you were to study history you would find that such a doctrine is only 400 years old and that the early church never taught such heresy.

Start your research here...

Penal substitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know Penal Subsitution tickles the ears and to consider it is error would mean that many a professing Christian would have to face the fact that they are still dead in their sins because they never repented and forsook them. Forsaking sin does not save you, it is simply meeting a condition that God requires before He will grant forgiveness.

You won't find Jesus teaching Penal Substitution anywhere. It is not laid out anywhere in the Bible. It is read into a few texts like Rom 3:24 and 2Cor5:21, Psalm 53 etc. It is just like Original Sin, a complete fallacy designed to keep people in their sins thinking they are saved.

If Jesus already paid your fine what is there to worry about? No need to strive, be diligent, be holy, depart from iniquity etc. All that becomes subsequent and optional. It is pure foolishness to hold onto these false doctrines while ignoring the plain words of Jesus Christ.

God will not be mocked!

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Tombo · May 17, 2012

2 Corinthians 5:21 "For our sake He made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God."

This is for my Christian brothers and sisters. God made Jesus to be sin (our sin was imputed to Jesus), so that in Jesus (His sinlessness was imputed to us) we might become the righteousness of God.
This is the true gospel of grace. Don't be deceived by those who don't understand of what they speak. The speak much, but say nothing but lies. We can repent until the cows come home and it will not do one speck of good in saving us. We repent and live holy lives because God has saved us, not in order to become saved. Some people don't like to hear that, thay must have some credit for their salvation or they aren't happy. They don't know what it is to rest in Christ, and to put to death the deeds of the flesh out of love to God, and not out of fear of punishment or losing their salvation.
Be careful of the deceivers, there is no shortage of them. They will make much of themsleves and their works, and make very little of Jesus Christ.
God bless my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Tom

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