Believers must fit God’s warnings into their belief system

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Magenta

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.“What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? …
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17)
Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with
all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'


This is the first and great commandment.


And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself.'


On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

*“A new command I give you: Love one another. As
I have loved you, so you must love one another."
 
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Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with
all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'


This is the first and great commandment.


And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself.'


On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

*“A new command I give you: Love one another. As
I have loved you, so you must love one another."
the ONLY reason that commandment is called "new", is because it was only at that point could anyone see a demonstration of the Messiah's love for them. The concept is not new.
 
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FreeNChrist

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the ONLY reason that commandment is called "new", is because it was only at that point could anyone see a demonstration of the Messiah's love for them. The concept is not new.
Nope. You totally missed what is new about it. What's new about it ain't a "concept".
 
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"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."
1 John 4:18
It always amazes me how people don't study their Bibles. They don't know the difference between the fear in the world & the reverence for the Lord. For instance, this verse has NOTHING to do with the Op.

It's either biblical ignorance or manipulation & twisting of the Scriptures.

Now about the Op..... How can QUOTING SCRIPTURE, without giving any meaning of each, be wrong?

HE QUOTED WORD FOR WORD..... yet some of you rebels defiantly set yourselves against it.

If the Op didn't turn the Word of God into a lie, then the naysayers are.

Readers.... doesn't it bother you on the inside when someone can't stand reading quotes from God's word?
 
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I do not see disagreement between our posts but I feel it in your discourse, the words written are of the word of God, Jesus wrote them all, well dictated them by His holy Spirit, but there does seem to me to be a discord between what is written and what you write, and I can not put my finger on it.

I agree with the 'word' you have written and I agree with the 'word' the op has written but some how there is a mismatch here and it bugs me because I can't see what the problem is.

In love bro what is it?
Attitudes, my friend..... attitudes. It's what comes from the abundance of the heart.:)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It always amazes me how people don't study their Bibles. They don't know the difference between the fear in the world & the reverence for the Lord. For instance, this verse has NOTHING to do with the Op.

It's either biblical ignorance or manipulation & twisting of the Scriptures.

Now about the Op..... How can QUOTING SCRIPTURE, without giving any meaning of each, be wrong?

HE QUOTED WORD FOR WORD..... yet some of you rebels defiantly set yourselves against it.

If the Op didn't turn the Word of God into a lie, then the naysayers are.

Readers.... doesn't it bother you on the inside when someone can't stand reading quotes from God's word?
Anyone can quote scripture. It does not mean what they THINK the scripture supports is what the scripture actually says.

What bothers people is when people quote scripture and says this proves me right, When it does nothing of the sort..

But of course, You think those scriptures supports what you believe, so we can see why you would use this strawman (people do not like when people quote scripture) to attack another..
 
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Nope. You totally missed what is new about it. What's new about it ain't a "concept".
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I
[am] YHVH.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV, MBM)
 
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FreeNChrist

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It always amazes me how people don't study their Bibles.
Which is another way of saying, "It always amazes me when anyone disagrees with my understanding of the Bible". :rolleyes:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I
[am] YHVH.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV, MBM)
The concept is still changed, In lev, The neighbor was your literal neighbor. Fellow citizen.

In the NT, Your neighbor is classified as anyone you come in contact with, which would include your enemy. This was unheard of in the OT
 
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FreeNChrist

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Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I
[am] YHVH.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV, MBM)
Thank MBM, but I have a Bible.
 

notuptome

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It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 10:31 (ESV2011, MBM)
And yet I have trusted my eternal soul to His loving care. It is truly an awesome thing to have fellowship with the God of all creation.

Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 6:38 (KJV, MBM)
 

valiant

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It always amazes me how people don't study their Bibles. They don't know the difference between the fear in the world & the reverence for the Lord. For instance, this verse has NOTHING to do with the Op.

It's either biblical ignorance or manipulation & twisting of the Scriptures.

Now about the Op..... How can QUOTING SCRIPTURE, without giving any meaning of each, be wrong?

HE QUOTED WORD FOR WORD..... yet some of you rebels defiantly set yourselves against it.

If the Op didn't turn the Word of God into a lie, then the naysayers are.

Readers.... doesn't it bother you on the inside when someone can't stand reading quotes from God's word?
but you didn't quote word for word. You quoted and then gave a false meaning. That just what the scribes and Pharisees did,
 
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Preacha24-7

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You're right eternally grateful, but you must be careful about what you say about the Jews. TheJews are God's chosen people. Even though they rejected Jesus God still loves them and has a plan for them. The Jews only read the Old Testament. TheJews must believe and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior for their salvation to be complete. John17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you.The only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. There are several verses in the NewTestament on avoiding evil. 1Thess5:22 Abstain from every form of evil. Romans12:9 Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Verse 17 Repay no one evil for evil. Verse 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Ephesians5:11-12 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. Christians need to be studying and reading the Bible everyday. If you know the Word, you can discern between true and false doctrines. All these Scriptures came from the New King James Version. To God be the Glory. Preacha24-7
 
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You're right eternally grateful, but you must be careful about what you say about the Jews. TheJews are God's chosen people. Even though they rejected Jesus God still loves them and has a plan for them. The Jews only read the Old Testament. TheJews must believe and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior for their salvation to be complete. John17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you.The only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. There are several verses in the NewTestament on avoiding evil. 1Thess5:22 Abstain from every form of evil. Romans12:9 Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Verse 17 Repay no one evil for evil. Verse 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Ephesians5:11-12 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. Christians need to be studying and reading the Bible everyday. If you know the Word, you can discern between true and false doctrines. All these Scriptures came from the New King James Version. To God be the Glory. Preacha24-7
And thou Bethlehem,
[in] the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Matthew 2:6 (KJV, MBM)
 

Grandpa

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"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."
1 John 4:18
I was thinking along the same lines with Faith as well.

Fear is the opposite of Faith.

The one who fears is not made perfect in faith, either.


I think the warnings are part of the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ. After we have come to Christ I don't think we need to dwell on them.

We know what the schoolmaster taught. We know what the warnings are.

Its not the rod that keeps us in line. Its Love.
 
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"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."
1 John 4:18
Yeah, sure requires a lotta fear to quote Scripture!
Many and LOLs.
 
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I agree with the 'word' you have written
and I agree with the 'word' the op has written
but some how there is a mismatch here and it bugs me because I can't see what the problem is.
Yes, so we are required to RECONCILE all of the NT verses, aren't we?
I believe that I have, and the solution is ...

true saving faith =
belief
faith
trust
fellowship with God
obedience to Jesus' commands
endurance in the faith until the end of life

Many verses attest to all of the above.
 
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All of these warnings are about gaining or losing eternal life!

There are 10 NT passages listed for each section …
Warnings given to everyone & Warnings given to church members.

It is necessary to understand … Obeying God, following His instructions, etc.
is NOT doing good works/deeds, which are done toward our fellow human beings.

Note: no passages about entering the kingdom of God/heaven have been included.

WARNINGS GIVEN TO EVERYONE

“What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? …
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17)

“And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Mark 13:13, and see Matthew 10:21-23)
The believer must endure in his/her faith through any time of terrible persecution of Christians.
Many NT verses teach: A believer’s faith must endure until death for him/her to be saved.

“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily,
and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life
for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world,
and is himself destroyed or lost?” (Luke 9:23-25)
How can anyone say, “These verses don’t apply to me, I’m saved.”
“He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world
will keep it for eternal life.” (John 12:25)

“… if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
As in several other “I AM” verses, there is no “he” after “I AM” in the original Greek.
Unfortunately, many translations have added “he” for whatever reasons.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day,
‘Lord, Lord …’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you;
depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21)
Belief-faith-works are not enough – it is God’s will that we really know Him intimately!
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish” (John 10:27)
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:3)

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
… If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him
… He who does not love Me does not keep My words” (John 14:21-24)
IMO, no one enters heaven who does NOT love Jesus,
and no one enters heaven who does NOT obey Jesus’ commands.
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.” (John 15:14)
IMO, no one enters heaven who is NOT Jesus’ friend.

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers,
idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:7-8)
cowardly: not enough faith to stand up for Jesus, unwilling to endure persecutions, etc.
unbelieving: simply non-believers
Jesus says the overcomer is the one who overcomes as He overcame!
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)

WARNINGS GIVEN TO CHURCH MEMBERS

Believers overcome sin by following the Spirit and by repenting of (forsaking) their sins!
“Death” here means eternal death; Jesus does NOT go around killing believers who sin!

"… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to death,
or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … For the wages of sin is death
(Romans 6:16, 23)

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh,
but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.
… For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:5-14)

The law of sowing and reaping is one of God’s most basic easily-understood laws!
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“Now I am glad I sent it (a letter), not because it hurt you, but because the pain caused you
to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants his people to have,
so you were not harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to have
leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow.
But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.” (2 Cor 7:9-10, NLT)
Yes, when believers repent of their sins, their salvation continues (they do not lose it).
This repentance is a most important part of the fellowship that God requires of man.
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown
brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)
Yes, “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23)

“Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition (destruction) …” (Hebrews 10:38-39)
In the NT, believers who draw back from the faith are those whose faith has NOT endured.
This passage teaches what happens to believers who fall away (draw back) from the faith.

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)
Please notice the difference between God’s children and Satan’s children!

“Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life …
He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” (Revelation 2:10-11)
If you research it, you will find that the crown of life means eternal life.
Many NT verses teach: A believer’s faith must endure until death for him/her to be saved.
Jesus says the overcomer is the one who overcomes as He overcame!
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)

Amen, i prefer a Father who warns me that running into and staying in a burning building will not end well :) a God who tells me " dont drink the poison" and tells me " drink of this life giving water instead"
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, so we are required to RECONCILE all of the NT verses, aren't we?
I believe that I have, and the solution is ...

true saving faith =
belief
faith
trust
fellowship with God
If we stop right here, We have the gospel of grace, Grace because it is not earned, And grace because it is based on Jesus work.
obedience to Jesus' commands
endurance in the faith until the end of life

Many verses attest to all of the above.
If we add these, We mix works and grace, Which do nto mix, We start taking credit away from God. and start taking credit for saving ourself (even if we deny that is what we are doing) we make the mistake of the religious jew paul had to fight throughout most of his epistles. those wanting to add the mans works to grace.

As paul said, if it is of works, it is not of grace otherwise work is no longer work, But if it is of grace, it is not of work, otherwise grace is no longer grace.