Believers must fit God’s warnings into their belief system

[ZacharyB]

“Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.
But we are not of those who (will ever) draw back to perdition (destruction) …”
(Hebrews 10:38-39)

The writer obviously does not know if they will ever draw back to perdition!
or
The writer does know that they already have drawn back to perdition,
and is tactfully warning them while encouraging them to set things right
(which is the olde Pauline combo package deal).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen, i prefer a Father who warns me that running into and staying in a burning building will not end well a God who tells me " dont drink the poison" and tells me " drink of this life giving water instead"

I prefer a father who will enter himself into the burning building, Grab my hand and rescue me from certain death..

Of course, I have to say yes I need saved, He will not force me to walk out with him, But if we say yes,, He will grab hold and never let go until we are completely out of danger (in heaven)

While I agree, We need God to warn us we are in a dangerous situation (a burning building) He is not going to tell us to try to escape ourselves. He already told us we can not save ourselves. if we could save ourselves. he would never have entered the building to save us to begin with (the cross)

Thats the God I follow.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

“Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.
But we are not of those who (will ever) draw back to perdition (destruction) …”
(Hebrews 10:38-39)

The writer obviously does NOT know if they will ever draw back to perdition!
or
The writer does know that they already have draw back to perdition,
and is doing the usual Pauline thing ...
tactfully warning them while encouraging them to set things right.

or, point 3.

Paul knows that whoever is saved, will never draw back, And tells them so (we are not of those who draw back) and warns the others, Just as james did, when he warned us to be doers of the word also, and not just hearers, Who claim to have faith, But have no work (they are not doers) their faith is dead, Can that FAITH save them.

 

[followjesus]

You're right eternally grateful, but you must be careful about what you say about the Jews. TheJews are God's chosen people. Even though they rejected Jesus God still loves them and has a plan for them. The Jews only read the Old Testament. TheJews must believe and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior for their salvation to be complete. John17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you.The only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. There are several verses in the NewTestament on avoiding evil. 1Thess5:22 Abstain from every form of evil. Romans12:9 Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Verse 17 Repay no one evil for evil. Verse 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Ephesians5:11-12 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. Christians need to be studying and reading the Bible everyday. If you know the Word, you can discern between true and false doctrines. All these Scriptures came from the New King James Version. To God be the Glory. Preacha24-7

galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

romans 3:29 "Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,"

ephesians 3:6 "This mystery is that THROUGH THE GOSPEL the GENTILES ARE HEIRS TOGETHER WITH ISREAL, members together of ONE BODY, and sharers together in the PROMISE OF CHRIST JESUS."

matthew 3:9"And do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham."

romans 2:28-29 "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God."

john 10:16 "I have other sheep ( gentiles) that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."

there is no difference in jew and gentile, that ended with the Gospel. and His commands and teachings all of His words are for any person regardless of nationality, previos creed or religion, those who will hear and accept Jesus, are heirs of the promise given to abraham. jew and gentile are one, there is one church, one body. judaisms authority ended the momnet Jesus began His ministry. and His commands found in the gospels?

matthew 28:18-20 " Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

this was 40 days after the resurrection Jesus said this to his apostles.......the gospels are for the world who will believe in Jesus, the Christ and Son of the Living God. no difference in the gospel, it made all people one

 

[ZacharyB]

All scripture needs to be read in context and with the lens of the finished work of Christ.

Okay, great ...
then you can go through God's warnings in the OP one at a time and explain them to us!
So far, all I've seen addressed is Hebrews 10 ... and that was pathetic.

Because the grace-only OSAS Laodicean church is pathetic, just like Jesus says.

 

[Grandpa]

Amen, i prefer a Father who warns me that running into and staying in a burning building will not end well a God who tells me " dont drink the poison" and tells me " drink of this life giving water instead"

John 6:63 [FONT=&quot]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

[/FONT]Galatians 3:3 [FONT=&quot]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

[/FONT]I don't know how to make it any more simple.

 

[Grandpa]

“Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.
But we are not of those who (will ever) draw back to perdition (destruction) …”
(Hebrews 10:38-39)

The writer obviously does not know if they will ever draw back to perdition!
or
The writer does know that they already have drawn back to perdition,
and is tactfully warning them while encouraging them to set things right
(which is the olde Pauline combo package deal).

The writer understands faith.

He is exercising it here.

We are not of them that draw back... and everyone can say amen to that.

 

[followjesus]

I prefer a father who will enter himself into the burning building, Grab my hand and rescue me from certain death..

Of course, I have to say yes I need saved, He will not force me to walk out with him, But if we say yes,, He will grab hold and never let go until we are completely out of danger (in heaven)

While I agree, We need God to warn us we are in a dangerous situation (a burning building) He is not going to tell us to try to escape ourselves. He already told us we can not save ourselves. if we could save ourselves. he would never have entered the building to save us to begin with (the cross)

Thats the God I follow.

will you then run back in or expect that you are free to keep running in and He is obligated to keep doing it again and again? He did that for everyone already, and He taught us to stay out of the fire now, simple stuff. Jesus is not returning to die again and again because we who are "saved" refuse to stop going into the fire and testing him. thats why he saved us when there was no escape, and then made a plain and clear instruction to stay out of the building its about to collapse. its not Gods fault if people dont take His word , He saved us, and instructed us. Hes in the clear as to His obligation. i cant understand who would want to go and continue in the things that cost Jesus so much suffering, or why people would seek to justify continuing uin those things....but were all free to choose for ourselves.

 

[eph610]

It always amazes me how people don't study their Bibles. They don't know the difference between the fear in the world & the reverence for the Lord. For instance, this verse has NOTHING to do with the Op.

It's either biblical ignorance or manipulation & twisting of the Scriptures.

Now about the Op..... How can QUOTING SCRIPTURE, without giving any meaning of each, be wrong?

HE QUOTED WORD FOR WORD..... yet some of you rebels defiantly set yourselves against it.

If the Op didn't turn the Word of God into a lie, then the naysayers are.

Readers.... doesn't it bother you on the inside when someone can't stand reading quotes from God's word?

Likewise The "fear or reverence" of the Lord has nothing at all to do with keeping the law so I wont be judged....

 

[ZacharyB]

understand ... that righteousness is position

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)

The spiritual idiocy of the free-grace OSAS Laodiceans is totally mind-boggling.
And they are totally rejected by Jesus in Revelation 2.

 

[eph610]

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)

when you can understand the true context of that verse is when we will have something to discuss...

 

[ZacharyB]

It always amazes me how people don't study their Bibles. They don't know the difference between the fear in the world & the reverence for the Lord.
For instance, this verse has NOTHING to do with the Op.

It's either biblical ignorance or manipulation & twisting of the Scriptures.

Now about the Op.....
How can QUOTING SCRIPTURE, without giving any meaning of each, be wrong?

HE QUOTED WORD FOR WORD.....
yet some of you rebels defiantly set yourselves against it.

If the Op didn't turn the Word of God into a lie, then the naysayers are.

Readers.... doesn't it bother you on the inside
when someone can't stand reading quotes from God's word?

The nay-sayers are the fearful ones!
They are fearful that the warning verses will condemn them on the last day!

 

[Grandpa]

will you then run back in or expect that you are free to keep running in and He is obligated to keep doing it again and again? He did that for everyone already, and He taught us to stay out of the fire now, simple stuff. Jesus is not returning to die again and again because we who are "saved" refuse to stop going into the fire and testing him. thats why he saved us when there was no escape, and then made a plain and clear instruction to stay out of the building its about to collapse. its not Gods fault if people dont take His word , He saved us, and instructed us. Hes in the clear as to His obligation. i cant understand who would want to go and continue in the things that cost Jesus so much suffering, or why people would seek to justify continuing uin those things....but were all free to choose for ourselves.

It doesn't get any sadder than this.

Ephesians 2:8-10
[FONT=&quot]8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

God decided it would be this way. Not us.

Salvation is the Gift of God. Not of works. Which means no amount of instructing is going to cause you, or anyone else, to gain your own salvation.

The only possible instruction that could do you any good is to go to Jesus and seek His Rest. But even that is a gift of God...

Love you. (Ephesians 1:17-21)[/FONT]

 

[followjesus]

Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with
all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself.'

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
*“A new command I give you: Love one another. As
I have loved you, so you must love one another."

1 john 5:1-5 "This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God."

2 john 1:6 "And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love."

the gospel commands teach us what Love is according to God, Love is to lay down our self for the sake of others. to lay down greed, and give to the needy. to lay down lust and take up pure motives ect...

1 john 3:16-18 "This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth."

interesting that john 3:16 says " for God so Loved the world that He gave His only begotten son.....and 1 john 3:16 says " this is how we know what Love is, jesus Christ Layed down His life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

will you then run back in or expect that you are free to keep running in and He is obligated to keep doing it again and again?

Run back in? Are you joking?

The only person who would "run back in" is a person who did not realise the danger to begin with, And you want me to believe that person was ever led out? Well forgive me if I do not agree, Because it takes true humility to repent. and a person who realises where he came from would never "run back in"

And not even this, We are in our body, We are in the world. WE HAVE NOT LEFT YET.. Thats why God still needs to save us,,

He did that for everyone already, and He taught us to stay out of the fire now, simple stuff.

So you can stay out of the fire (save) yourself? Come on now are you serious. Anyone who does not conform to the law is in the building, and in need of salvation. and that is me, you and every man who is walking the earth (and women)

Jesus is not returning to die again and again because we who are "saved" refuse to stop going into the fire and testing him.

Your right, he will not come and die again, Thats why salvation, if it can be lost, can never be renewed. Because jesus died once to save all, He eaither saved you or he did not..

If you commit one sin, no matter how small, James said your guilty of all. So you have never (of your own will) left the fire, your still in it, Jesus is just covering you, ad leading you out, until you are completely out (in heaven) Jesus did not take you out of the fire, He is protecting you from the fire, until he comes to ressurect you (free you completely)

May I ask you why you think your sin does not stink?

thats why he saved us when there was no escape, and then made a plain and clear instruction to stay out of the building its about to collapse. its not Gods fault if people dont take His word , He saved us, and instructed us. Hes in the clear as to His obligation. i cant understand who would want to go and continue in the things that cost Jesus so much suffering, or why people would seek to justify continuing uin those things....but were all free to choose for ourselves.

He has saved us, Is saving us, and will save us.. Not because we did righteous acts (left the fire) but because of his mercy (titus 3: 5)

The cross jesus said it is finished, He did not say, I did my part. now you do yours.

What we need to do is look at ourselves in Gods eyes, He sees us (apart from the spirit and his son) as guilty, because we are guilty, even today we are guilty, It is Gods saving grace which saves us,, Until the day you die, you will not deserve salvation.. left on your own, You would be rightly condemned..

 

[Grandpa]

The nay-sayers are the fearful ones!
They are fearful that the warning verses will condemn them on the last day!

How can they?

Romans 8:1 [FONT=&quot]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)

The spiritual idiocy of the free-grace OSAS Laodiceans is totally mind-boggling.
And they are totally rejected by Jesus in Revelation 2.

What is mind boggling is that a person thinks a child of God can live in sin, When the bible clearly teaches they can not.


[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9[/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[ZacharyB]

I think the warnings are part of the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ.
After we have come to Christ I don't think we need to dwell on them.
We know what the schoolmaster taught. We know what the warnings are.
Its not the rod that keeps us in line. Its Love.

Interesting! Butski ...
the verses in the last half of the OP (yes, the ones we are supposed to be discussing!)
deal with church members who have come to Christ and who are habitually sinning,
and thus are being warned of losing eternal life.

Read them and weep!

Or for most of you here, read them and ignore!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The nay-sayers are the fearful ones!
They are fearful that the warning verses will condemn them on the last day!

No, I am not afraid. Because jesus told me I would be resurrected by him, Not delievered to him.

Your mixing Gods judgment on his children (bema seat) where he reward them for all they ever did (gold silver precisou stone wood hay straw) and the great white throne judgment, Where death and hades are DELEVERED to Christ for eternal judgment Where no one will excape. and all will be cast into outer darkness.

Again, John 6 makes it clear. I will never hunger, never thirst, Never die, live forever, I am made alive, and Am given eternal life, and I will be raised BY HIM..

I am alive, I am not dead, SO I will not be delivered to Christ for eternal wrath. I am saved from that wrath,, Because Christ took it on my behalf..

The only people who preach fear is those who are trying to make it on their own, and think they are more righteous than they really are, or they would not teach fear. But preach salvation! hope. love, mercy forgiveness, That is the good news, Not what you teach.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Interesting! Butski ...
the verses in the last half of the OP (yes, the ones we are supposed to be discussing!)
deal with church members who have come to Christ and who are habitually sinning
and who are being warned of losing eternal life.

Read them and weep!

Or in most cases here, read them and ignore!

1 john 3: [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9[/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

No ,my friend, You read them and weep. If the bible says what you just claimed it said, Then John would be a liar. Meaning his epistles and his gospel is questionable, Meaning all of the word of God is questionable. Meaning we have no hope. because our hope is flawed..