Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

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Well of course I agree that we can find that power and money dominates in all denominations.
What means FYI ?


But as this we can find in all denomiations, we should also find the spirituell gifts in all denominations. I really can not believe that if the Holy Spirit there he works different according the denomination doctrine.


Maby you wonder why i alsway come back to the begin of the pentecostal movement. You are right, we can find speaking in tongues in history special till the 6th century. But in those times was also to find a big movement called montanism which was a heretic group, but practiced prophecie and speaking in tongues. Tertullian later joined this group.
But non of the so called churchfathers practised speaking in tongues ore taught it.



Since the reformation time when the bible translations (KJV, Luther and so on) take place, the bible became readable for all people and not only for the RCC priest. If the speaking in tongues was a gift for all times why then the Holy Spirit dont led the reformators to this view and opened while translation their eyes for this. Instead he opend their eyes forthe important things concern faith.
Till the biblical canon was finished in the 4th century, the most churches had not all scripture/bible for to read. Today every single person has the possibility to read the bible.


Imagine a believer in Corinth in the year 54 ore 55 when he received the 1. letter from Paul.
In this time was not written the book of acts (60-62), Romans (56 from corinth), gospel of John (earliest 80)


That means he was not able to create a doctrine which says that there is there a second baptism with the Holy Spirit and as sign for that speaking in tongues. Because forthisto create youmust have more information from the scripture then 1. Cor. gives.


Romans, the letter which content the most information about christian Life in no single sentence mentioned the gift of speaking in tongues. If this gift is realy so important for an believer, then why he did not mentioned it. In spite of that Paul wrote this letter in Corinth?


The doctrine which Parham and Seymore create was never taught before in churchhistory and not in the bible. And before they made this expieriences the gift of healing, prophecie and speaking in tongues were practised in several cults, like Mormons, New apostolic chatholic church, Irvingians.


Today around 117 years gone and many different pentecostal branches were build worldwide- But they all are going back to Parham an Seymore and the events in Azusa Street.
But still exactly this teaching is not found in the apostolic time churches!
And thats why it is not possible to argue alone from the knowledge what the christians in the time of 1. Corinthians had.
Because the explaining from Parham and Seymore why we have the sign gifts today is an different then to the apostolic time. They combined it with an special expierience with the Holy Spirit. And this we find not in the teachings of the NT!


Thats why 1909 in germany the most leading denominatians saw in this movement a Spirit from down. And not the Holy Spirit.


By the way the Lord still doing miracles in this world, but the most time with the purpose to bring non believers to Christ and not for to give christians a handsome life.


This doctrine of speaking in tongues created splitting for christianity since it came up in 1900. I cant see any benefits of it for the body of Christ!

It is not my goal to judge anybody. This is only what I recognize. I am not grew up in a pentecostal church. So maby you think I look only from my point as non pentecostal. But I would say If soembody would consider the word of God and the way how something was raises up and presentet to the world could agree with me.
The Lord is ueseing all who follow him, and thats why he is acting and blessing us in spite of our mistakes. There is non denomination which is 100% right in their doctrine and teachings!

FYI " for your information".

"But in those times was also to find a big movement called montanism which was a heretic group, but practiced prophecie and speaking in tongues. Tertullian later joined this group."


The fundamental flaw of Montanism, which it shared with Gnosticism as well as many other heretical movements, was its rejection of the notion of clergy. Montanus taught “the Priesthood of the People,” and this was a threat to the existing Church clergy. Much of the history of Christianity has been determined by this repetitive struggle between the clergy of the Church and those who would do away with it.

the context of the so-called

[FONT=&quot]Pentecostalism is the ancient heresy of Montanism revived
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was provided by the following people below .


(Roberts, Alexander and Donaldson, James, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series: Volume I, Oak Harbor, WA: Logos, 1997, Book V. Chapter XVI. The Circumstances Related of Montanus and His False Prophets)

This has nothing to do with what they say is Pentecostalism. The historical information in ref to Seymore was HE read the Book of Acts and said we should ask God for this empowering too. Seymore did not interject Montanus in his experience with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. That is a straw-man

built by
(Roberts, Alexander and Donaldson, James, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series: Volume I, Oak Harbor, WA: Logos, 1997, Book V. Chapter XVI. The Circumstances Related of Montanus and His False Prophets)

The historical context for the of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are well documented . In even the Reformation those who many hold as used by God have some very serious flaws. John Calvin has said some very ungodly things however, many do not hold him the the same standard . Nor do they Martin Luther. and others. The doctrine of speaking in tongues did not cause a split , Catholics were dealing with this longer than the 1900's . The Gifts of the Holy Spirit is the context and the Scriptures of 1 Corinthians chapters 12, 13, and 14 which have nothing to do with "montanism".

heretic groups Paul addressed in his time and Gnosticism was very much around which died off for a time until the church fathers dealt with it again when the attack on the deity of Christ which brought forth church Creeds .



 

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Praying in Tongues/Intimacy & Communion ***Praying in tongues is a great way to gain intimacy with the Lord***many times when we pray in English we reach a saturation point and run out of words***but, the Holy Spirit has much more to say***since our natural minds are limited we need help at times to plug into the vast ocean of Love and Knowledge the Spirit offers***since the Word of God is a tool which is not exhausted in study, seeing we are constantly growing in knowledge, so the Spirit offers us also the resource of His help---the Spirit and the Word agree***so go ahead and dive in and experience what the Spirit is doing---calling deep unto deep...
 

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DJ2

Do you believe in THE ONE and ONLY LORD and SAVIOR?

or, are you waiting for another?
I believe that the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is the God of Creation. He is the only God who is or has been. I believe the Bible is the only ordained message of God to mankind for his salvation. I believe that Jesus the Son of God was born of a virgin and lived among us as both totally human and totally divine. He preached the Good News to us and was handed over by the Jews to be killed for our salvation on a cross by the Romans. I believe He rose bodily back to life and appeared to many and will return again to claim those who believe and obey His gospel.

Now based on my testimony, if I claim to have the ability to make the lame walk or raise the dead would you accept my claims as real and of God?

Or would you also want physical proof of my claims?
 

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FYI " for your information".

"But in those times was also to find a big movement called montanism which was a heretic group, but practiced prophecie and speaking in tongues. Tertullian later joined this group."


The fundamental flaw of Montanism, which it shared with Gnosticism as well as many other heretical movements, was its rejection of the notion of clergy. Montanus taught “the Priesthood of the People,” and this was a threat to the existing Church clergy. Much of the history of Christianity has been determined by this repetitive struggle between the clergy of the Church and those who would do away with it.

the context of the so-called

[FONT=&quot]Pentecostalism is the ancient heresy of Montanism revived
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was provided by the following people below .


(Roberts, Alexander and Donaldson, James, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series: Volume I, Oak Harbor, WA: Logos, 1997, Book V. Chapter XVI. The Circumstances Related of Montanus and His False Prophets)

This has nothing to do with what they say is Pentecostalism. The historical information in ref to Seymore was HE read the Book of Acts and said we should ask God for this empowering too. Seymore did not interject Montanus in his experience with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. That is a straw-man

built by
(Roberts, Alexander and Donaldson, James, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series: Volume I, Oak Harbor, WA: Logos, 1997, Book V. Chapter XVI. The Circumstances Related of Montanus and His False Prophets)

The historical context for the of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are well documented . In even the Reformation those who many hold as used by God have some very serious flaws. John Calvin has said some very ungodly things however, many do not hold him the the same standard . Nor do they Martin Luther. and others. The doctrine of speaking in tongues did not cause a split , Catholics were dealing with this longer than the 1900's . The Gifts of the Holy Spirit is the context and the Scriptures of 1 Corinthians chapters 12, 13, and 14 which have nothing to do with "montanism".

heretic groups Paul addressed in his time and Gnosticism was very much around which died off for a time until the church fathers dealt with it again when the attack on the deity of Christ which brought forth church Creeds .



Thanks for reply! I did not say that montanism has to do with pentacosm. I mentioned them only as an example.
And I said that before Parham and Seymore createt the teaching/doctrine with the 2nd baptism and as sign the gift of speaking in tongues. This was not taught in NT time and also not in churchhistory.
 

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Praying in Tongues/Intimacy & Communion ***Praying in tongues is a great way to gain intimacy with the Lord***many times when we pray in English we reach a saturation point and run out of words***but, the Holy Spirit has much more to say***since our natural minds are limited we need help at times to plug into the vast ocean of Love and Knowledge the Spirit offers***since the Word of God is a tool which is not exhausted in study, seeing we are constantly growing in knowledge, so the Spirit offers us also the resource of His help---the Spirit and the Word agree***so go ahead and dive in and experience what the Spirit is doing---calling deep unto deep...
So what you mean? Is Romans 8, 26 is for all christians ore only for those which are speaking in tongues?
 

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Thanks for reply! I did not say that montanism has to do with pentacosm. I mentioned them only as an example.
And I said that before Parham and Seymore createt the teaching/doctrine with the 2nd baptism and as sign the gift of speaking in tongues. This was not taught in NT time and also not in churchhistory.

the context of two baptisms :
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.: this is of water


I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] fire: Spirit Baptism
these are two distinct Baptisms.
Now the argument is when it happens Iie. before conversion or after ?

[/FONT] can one get water baptized and not be saved?
Does the Baptism of the Holy Ghost happen at salvation ?
can one be saved before they are water baptized?
Can one be Baptized in the Holy Ghost when saved then get water baptized after?

all of those questions I would almost bet we will agree on. :)


But when it happens and how it happens does not change the truth there are in scripture TWO baptisms

1. of water
2. of the Holy Spirit which Jesus is the Baptizer
 

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Thanks for reply! I did not say that montanism has to do with pentacosm. I mentioned them only as an example.
And I said that before Parham and Seymore createt the teaching/doctrine with the 2nd baptism and as sign the gift of speaking in tongues. This was not taught in NT time and also not in churchhistory.
wolfwint also I would like to say it has been very good speaking with you . No matter if we agree or not you have been very friendly . thank you.
 

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I believe that the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is the God of Creation. He is the only God who is or has been. I believe the Bible is the only ordained message of God to mankind for his salvation. I believe that Jesus the Son of God was born of a virgin and lived among us as both totally human and totally divine. He preached the Good News to us and was handed over by the Jews to be killed for our salvation on a cross by the Romans. I believe He rose bodily back to life and appeared to many and will return again to claim those who believe and obey His gospel.

Now based on my testimony, if I claim to have the ability to make the lame walk or raise the dead would you accept my claims as real and of God?

Or would you also want physical proof of my claims?
YOU have the ability?
when was it ever said that a man had this ability to raise the dead or heal the lame?

am I accepting your claim for a particular reason?
 

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Yes, because there has been a supernatural tongue in the world before Pentecost which is nothing but vain and profane babbling which can be found in the occult and other world's religions whereas God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

And when this tongue is gained by apostasy for saved believers to seek after by receiving what they believe is the Holy Spirit coming over them apart from salvation for a sign of that vain & profane babbling, it will NEVER be His gift of tongues because tongues were to serve as a sign to unbelievers NOT to believers. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22
Is that a yes to both questions are just the first one?
 
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To speak or to pray to God without understanding is not a Christian endeavor. There is no edification without understanding. The Holy Spirit ministers understanding to us when we are troubled that we might be comforted and have the peace that God provides.


1 Corinthians 14 the first 24 verses makes this abundantly clear.


1 Cor 14:6 ¶ Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

For the cause of Christ
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This is the thing that happens to a lot of people when they are reading the bible (misinterpreting what's being said) You MUST look at the context, who's being talked to, and what the surrounding message is of what's being spoken in that Book of the Bible.

1 Corinthians (who's Paul addressing?) Paul’s purpose in writing this letter to the church in Corinth was to address and correct the immorality and divisions that had arisen among them. The first letter to the Corinthians revolves around the theme of problems conducted in christian conduct in the church. It thus has to do with progressive sanctification, the continuing development of holy character. Obviously Paul was concerned with the Corinthians problems.

We can all pin-point and grab pieces of scripture and make it what we want, is that going to reveal the TRUTH to you? No, of course not, you have to read scripture in it's entirety.

Here is ALL of 1 Corinthians 14

1Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort. 4The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.
5I wish that all of you could speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? 7Even in the case of lifeless instruments, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone recognize the tune they are playing unless the notes are distinct? 8Again, if the trumpet sounds a muffled call, who will prepare for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
10Assuredly, there are many different languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If, then, I do not know the meaning of someone’s language, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me.
12It is the same with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, strive to excel in gifts that build up the church. 13Therefore, the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15What then shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16Otherwise, if you speak a blessing in spirit, how can someone who is uninstructed say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other one is not edified.
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. 21It is written in the Law:
“By strange tongues
and foreign lips
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to Me,
says the Lord.”

22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers. Prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.
23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who are uninstructed or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your minds? 24But if an unbeliever or uninstructed person comes in while everyone is prophesying, he will be convicted and called to account by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be revealed. So he will fall facedown and worship God, proclaiming, “God is truly among you!”

26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church.
27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two, or at most three, should speak in turn, and someone must interpret. 28But if there is no interpreter, he should remain silent in the church and speak only to himself and God.
29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is seated, the first speaker should hold his peace. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they wish to inquire about something, they are to ask their own husbands at home; for it is dishonorable for a woman to speak in the church.
36Did God’s word originate with you? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37If anyone considers himself a prophet or spiritual person, let him acknowledge that what I am writing you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

39So, my brothers, be eager to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything must be done in a proper and orderly manner.



Paul NEVER said NOT to speak in tongues, instead he said " I thank God that I speak in tongues more than you all". He was always speaking in tongues, however, He also makes it clear that in a church setting, tongues does nothing for other people around you if not interpreted. When we speak in the spirit it is the holy spirit praying for us when we don't know what to pray for and what to pray about, it's a heavenly language that only God knows, and unless you have the gift of interpretation you won't know what's being said. God's working through us and praying perfect prayers for us, not only for now but for what's to come ( future things we won't know to pray for). It surely is a GIFT! And a Powerful one! Again, Paul is talking to a church that needed guidance on how to act and conduct themselves in church, as the church we all have our part and make up one body, the body of Christ (each having our own gifts). It is better in church to speak in your native tongue than to speak in tongues because of the lack of understanding, it will not uplift and encourage those around you. Paul spoke is tongues all of the time expect when he was with other's that could not benefit from it.

Lol, how odd would it be if Paul was just speaking in tongues while in a church group meeting or discussion? Even though it is holy and important it isn't appropriate for that time and place unless an interpreter is present so that they all may be blessed.

1 Corinthians 14:1-4
1Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort. 4The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.



Conclusion, is this a gift we should be using? Yes. Is it appropriate when conversing with other Christians? No, because they don't understand what were saying. Keep it between you and God unless you feel lead, so that we can encourage one another with our words that we all understand :) Unless interpreting speaking in the holy spirit.

You said there is not edification without understanding, when CLEARLY in 1 Corinthians 14:4 says " The one who speaks in tongues edifies himself, but the one who prophesies edifies the church."
 
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YOU have the ability?
when was it ever said that a man had this ability to raise the dead or heal the lame?

am I accepting your claim for a particular reason?
Did you not see this is a response to your posts# 385 and 390?

I am not claiming this ability. Did you not see the "if"?

Yes, men have had these abilities, Peter and Paul.

"am I accepting your claim for a particular reason?" Why bring up reasons now? You implied that the claims of supernatural abilities could be proven by the claimant's answers to your "testing the spirits".

I answered your question, now answer mine.
 
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Is that a yes to both questions are just the first one?
Yes to the second question...

Yes & no to the first question, because God's gift of tongues are for speaking unto the people; it is not being used as a personal prayer language of the Holy Spirit.

Thus yes to the second question...Yes, because there has been a supernatural tongue in the world before Pentecost which is nothing but vain and profane babbling which can be found in the occult and other world's religions whereas God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

And when this tongue is gained by apostasy for saved believers to seek after by receiving what they believe is the Holy Spirit coming over them apart from salvation for a sign of that vain & profane babbling, it will NEVER be His gift of tongues because tongues were to serve as a sign to unbelievers NOT to believers. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22

Sorry for not being clear in my answer to both of your questions.
 

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Yes to the second question...

Yes & no to the first question, because God's gift of tongues are for speaking unto the people; it is not being used as a personal prayer language of the Holy Spirit.

Thus yes to the second question...Yes, because there has been a supernatural tongue in the world before Pentecost which is nothing but vain and profane babbling which can be found in the occult and other world's religions whereas God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

And when this tongue is gained by apostasy for saved believers to seek after by receiving what they believe is the Holy Spirit coming over them apart from salvation for a sign of that vain & profane babbling, it will NEVER be His gift of tongues because tongues were to serve as a sign to unbelievers NOT to believers. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22

Sorry for not being clear in my answer to both of your questions.
How do you suggest false tongue talkers be challenged?
 

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This is the thing that happens to a lot of people when they are reading the bible (misinterpreting what's being said) You MUST look at the context, who's being talked to, and what the surrounding message is of what's being spoken in that Book of the Bible.
This you demonstrate quite well. Paul was writing to the Corinthians to correct them. They were abusing tongues just like the modern church. Tongues are a sign gift and signs are for Jews not Gentiles. Tongues are a sign of impending judgment not blessing.
Conclusion, is this a gift we should be using? Yes. Is it appropriate when conversing with other Christians? No, because they don't understand what were saying. Keep it between you and God unless you feel lead, so that we can encourage one another with our words that we all understand :) Unless interpreting speaking in the holy spirit.

You said there is not edification without understanding, when CLEARLY in 1 Corinthians 14:4 says " The one who speaks in tongues edifies himself, but the one who prophesies edifies the church."
Tongues are languages and as such are readily translated that men can communicate with one another. Communication to forward the gospel and to disciple believers.

Stop reading that junk that JP writes.

For the cause of Christ
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wolfwint also I would like to say it has been very good speaking with you . No matter if we agree or not you have been very friendly . thank you.
Yes, it will not change the fact, that we are brothers and belong to one father!
 

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the context of two baptisms :
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.: this is of water


I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] fire: Spirit Baptism
these are two distinct Baptisms.
Now the argument is when it happens Iie. before conversion or after ?

[/FONT] can one get water baptized and not be saved?
Does the Baptism of the Holy Ghost happen at salvation ?
can one be saved before they are water baptized?
Can one be Baptized in the Holy Ghost when saved then get water baptized after?

all of those questions I would almost bet we will agree on. :)


But when it happens and how it happens does not change the truth there are in scripture TWO baptisms

1. of water
2. of the Holy Spirit which Jesus is the Baptizer
Yes, I agree there are a water baptism and a baptism with the spirit.
I would say at first is the baptism with the spirit when we are born again. And as a sign for the World ( including the invisible) that I identyficate with the dead and resurrection of our Lord Jesus the water baptism.

But the problem is still in the pentecostal doctrine of an second baptism with the Holy Spirit! One baptism to much!
 

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Yes, I agree there are a water baptism and a baptism with the spirit.
I would say at first is the baptism with the spirit when we are born again. And as a sign for the World ( including the invisible) that I identyficate with the dead and resurrection of our Lord Jesus the water baptism.

But the problem is still in the pentecostal doctrine of an second baptism with the Holy Spirit! One baptism to much!
ok is not the context of the second baptism that of the Holy Spirit ? which you said yes so i am not sure what you mean ?
 

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Did you not see this is a response to your posts# 385 and 390?

I am not claiming this ability. Did you not see the "if"?

Yes, men have had these abilities, Peter and Paul.

"am I accepting your claim for a particular reason?" Why bring up reasons now? You implied that the claims of supernatural abilities could be proven by the claimant's answers to your "testing the spirits".

I answered your question, now answer mine.
no. It wasn't their abilities. It was CHRIST working in them. Both of them knew it

Peter understood when he healed the lame man that it wasn't as if he had an "exceptional spirit". It was the power and holiness of THE LORD's NAME that the one who was lame stands healed

and peter was very vocal in telling the crowd to stop looking at him as if he was anything


sir. If one is healing men and casting out demons yet he does not before the people preach CHRIST and the power of HIS NAME, it is very very very clear that the man is doing his supernatural work through the wrong father

THE HOLY DPIRIT glorifies JESUS
And if the spirit in that man does not glorify Jesus, than that spirit is not of GOD


Why would one care to accept a man's claim that he healed another man?
if he does not preach it was through CHRIST and he does not point all men to CHRIST he is nothing and can do nothing for anyone and anyone who considers him something is deceived
 

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its no different than the man who said:

LORD, LORD....didn't .... (((I)))) cast out demons in your name?


no
he didn't do anything

CHRIST did it
 
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This you demonstrate quite well. Paul was writing to the Corinthians to correct them. They were abusing tongues just like the modern church. Tongues are a sign gift and signs are for Jews not Gentiles. Tongues are a sign of impending judgment not blessing.

Tongues are languages and as such are readily translated that men can communicate with one another. Communication to forward the gospel and to disciple believers.

Stop reading that junk that JP writes.

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Roger
1 Corinthians is in the new testament,the CHURCH is neither Jew nor gentile.

Galatians 3:26-29

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So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Tongues are a sign of impending judgement? Ill need to that scripture.



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