Beware of those who speak evil of God's law, but not evil of sin

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Yeah because it it actually against what is not sound doctrine also

1 Ti 1:8
But we know that the law is good,
if a man use it lawfully;

1 Ti 1:9-10
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
for whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind,
for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Made for anything that is contrary to sound doctrine, and its not against the promises of God either

Gal 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God?

God forbid:

for if there had been a law given which could have given life,
verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin,
that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Gal 3:23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Which seems to be in accord with the law and the testimony as was posted earlier by HRFTD, as one is perfect to the converting of the soul (but the law just made nothing perfect) it says the better hope did, the latter (shown as the testimony) is shown as sure (even having also the more sure word)

Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, ((( converting the soul ))) the testimony of the LORD ((( is sure ))) making wise the simple

Even Peter's more sure word of prophecy, as the testimony of Christ is the spirit of prophecy

Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law ((( was our schoolmaster ))) to bring us unto Christ, that ((we might be justified)) by faith.

They are both a light (as one to the other and the greater in the other)

To the law andto the testimony...


Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is ((( no light ))) in them


Isaiah 8:16
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.


1Cr 1:6
Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:


John 3:3
He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

But the wording here is so perfectly put

Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, ((( converting the soul )))
the testimony of the LORD is sure, ((( making wise the simple )))

As the sure is with the testimony

2Peter 1:19
We have(((also))) a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

The testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy as well (and as unto a light) as the law and testimony are light

There is a dynamic between the two and to where we might be also, whether still in the flesh or otherwise. Its good to look at these things.

Sorry that other one blew my eyes off the page, I need to stop doing that so much LOL, I unhighlighted it

 

[ember]

Thankfully, Jesus said simply I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE

all this other stuff that certain people like to try and use to control others with through fear, legalism and stinky dead man's bones, is what they keep themselves busy with so they don't have to hear Jesus telling them to stop it

 

[ember]

oooo...wait...wait....

here's a good one!

BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES

oopsie doopsie

There is only ONE way to be saved and it ain't by calling others evil and prowling around doing the devil's job for him by trying to make people feel guilty

this is nothing but posturing and trying to sound important

a mosquito knows more about blood and what it is for then people who think Jesus didn't do enough

perhaps people who consistently believe they have to follow the law have never been set free to begin with

....hmmmm...maybe that's it

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Just look at it like this......

Again, it wasn't God's commandment that killed them, death didn't come until after they had sinned against the commandment of God. Satan knew this, and so he used the commandment of God as an instrument against them in order to minister death by deception and sin.

The commandment "thou shalt not" (that they die not) was first met by the serpent taking an occasion by the same (as it might pertains to that tree) and deceive "to it" into disobedience to what would work death. So wouldnt the serpents doing be sort of like seeking to kill them by it no?

I would just stick with how its already worded and not try to one up the apostles LOL I dont know what is being said, Im not that sharp I have a hard time with how others word stuff

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

When Adam and Eve had sinned they then saw their own nakedness by eating from the tree to know good from evil, as also by the law of God came the knowledge of sin.

Notice Jesus' words here.....

John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

So clearly God's words spoken by the One lawgiver exposes sin just as by the law of God given to Moses came the knowledge of sin.

John 7:7
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

 

[Grace777x70]

For a long time I really did not understand where the Christian stood with regards to the law knowing that we are saved by grace through faith and no longer under the law.

Bertie Brits (Dynamic Ministries) I believe he does an excellent job looking at the law, old and new testament, and the work of Jesus. If you have time this is a video of his I think is well worth the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZmwLbnpu7E

Here is a quick print version
https://www.dynamicministries.com/sunday-service-archive/popup/text/print/611.html

Angela

I have listened to Bertie talk about the law and he really shows what it really is and we definitely would want to choose Jesus over the keeping of the law as we can't live by the law at all. There is no evil speaking of the law as it is holy - it's just not made for a righteous person and it is not of faith.

I liked how Jesus would elevate the law to show what it's real intent was. Jesus would say " You have heard it said "You shall not commit adultery - but I tell you if you have lusted - you have committed adultery".

Jesus was the greatest law preacher and the greatest grace preacher. For those self-righteous types Jesus gave them the Moses 2.0 version but to those that knew they needed a Savior - Jesus gave them grace.

Anyone interested in the law - I highly recommend Bertie's teachings. Thanks for sharing them.

 

[ember]

When Adam and Eve had sinned they then saw their own nakedness by eating from the tree to know good from evil, as also by the law of God came the knowledge of sin.

And nothing has changed...we come into the world naked and stand before God and man naked...no covering except the shed blood of our Lord Jesus Christ

Notice what God said to the serpent:

15And I will put enmitybetween you and the woman,and between your offspring and hers;he will crush your head,and you will strike his heel.

No matter how many laws and chains one keeps, they cannot crush the head of a fallen angel...only God can do that!

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

When Adam and Eve had sinned they then saw their own nakedness by eating from the tree to know good from evil, as also by the law of God came the knowledge of sin.

Notice Jesus' words here.....

John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

So clearly God's words spoken by the One lawgiver exposes sin just as by the law of God given to Moses came the knowledge of sin.

John 7:7
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

I dont disagree with those, but they just didnt have a cloak for their sin back then where they hadnt disobeyed to it ( against his commandmemt) where they were naked (but without the shame attached to it) until after they did so (and having become aware of what always was) "their own nakedness" (but now accompanied with shame). They made coverings after which in Adam is shown as hiding one's iniquity in their bosom as Job puts it.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The commandment "thou shalt not" (that they die not) was first met by the serpent taking an occasion by the same (as it might pertains to that tree) and deceive "to it" into disobedience to what would work death. So wouldnt the serpents doing be sort of like seeking to kill them by it no?

I would just stick with how its already worded and not try to one up the apostles LOL I dont know what is being said, Im not that sharp I have a hard time with how others word stuff

I'm not trying to one up the apostles, but rather explain it in a simple way where others might understand. Let me liken the law like an instrument, such as an axe. Now if a man uses an axe lawfully to cut down wood to warm himself in a fire, this is good. But if a man uses the axe unlawfully to chop up his neighbor in pieces and commit murder, this of course is bad.

Satan, like many deceivers do violence to the law, and use it for their own evil purpose to kill, steal, destroy, to bind and also as an instrument to make merchandise of people, which speaks of using the law unlawfully for their own greedy gain. So it was not the axe itself that killed, but the one who used the axe as an instrument of death.

 

[ember]

I'm not trying to be one of the Apostles.....



me neither...at last something we can agree on....

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I'm not trying to one up the apostles, but rather explain it in a simple way where others might understand. Let me liken the law like an instrument, such as an axe. Now if a man uses an axe lawfully to cut down wood to warm himself in a fire, this is good. But if a man uses the axe unlawfully to chop up his neighbor in pieces and commit murder, this of course is bad.

Satan, like many deceivers do violence to the law, and use it for their own evil purpose to kill, steal, destroy, to bind and also as it as an instrument to make merchandise of people, which speaks of using the law unlawfully for their own greedy gain. So it was not the axe itself that killed, but the one who used the axe as an instrument of death.

I did not mean that you were trying to one up the apostles in rewording as you are one who typically quotes them for the greater part. If wording was left alone you would have probably left it alone but there it just seemed like a little mix up in the wording here and there along with some error, I just cant untangle other peoples wording of whichever things, and I get a headache trying, probably as much of one as staring at my christmas confetti posts

 

[Grandpa]

I would think the Law should be used to show people their need for Christ.

To show that no matter how obedient they think they are, they are still lacking that One thing.

Everyone is guilty before the law. Its an equal opportunity killer. Unless you attempt to twist it to mean something other than what it means.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I dont disagree with those, but they just didnt have a cloak for their sin back then where they hadnt disobeyed to it ( against his commandmemt) where they were naked (but without the shame attached to it) until after they did so (and having become aware of what always was) "their own nakedness" (but now accompanied with shame). They made coverings after which in Adam is shown as hiding one's iniquity in their bosom as Job puts it.

The sign of them having their eyes opened and seeing their own nakedness is the same sign of having our eyes opened to sin and seeing the shame of sin openly by the knowledge of sin, which came by eating the law of God. But not everyone is able to receive this.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I would think the Law should be used to show people their need for Christ.

To show that no matter how obedient they think they are, they are still lacking that One thing.

Everyone is guilty before the law. Its an equal opportunity killer. Unless you attempt to twist it to mean something other than what it means.

And the Lord also pointed us in the right direction by His solution to the problem of sin and death, even from the very beginning.....

Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

The sign of them having their eyes opened and seeing their own nakedness is the same sign of having our eyes opened to sin and seeing the shame of sin openly by the knowledge of sin, which came by eating the law of God. But not everyone is able to receive this.

Now just work in how the serpent come about to play into this according to Pauls words and you could maybe help that person to see how they wrongly worded what the problem was that you were seeing in it.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Now just work in how the serpent come about to play into this according to Pauls words and you could maybe help that person to see how they wrongly worded what the problem was that you were seeing in it.

I've covered that already, here is a post that compares some of Paul's words to some of the similitudes in the garden.....http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107330-tree-knowledge-sign-natural-law.html

Also someone mentioned the curse of the law earlier, this post explains that.....http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/112065-curse-law.html

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I've covered that already, here is a post that compares some of Paul's words to some of the similitudes in the garden.....http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107330-tree-knowledge-sign-natural-law.html

Also someone mentioned the curse of the law earlier, this post explains that.....http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/112065-curse-law.html

There you go

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The same GOD that spoke In the old testament/covenant Is the same GOD that spoke In the new testament/covenant and since GOD does not change

Do you believe that a person should keep the law and and be under grace also?

 

[Sirk]

And the Lord also pointed us in the right direction by His solution to the problem of sin and death, even from the very beginning.....

Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

He may have pointed us in the right direction but we still won't get there on our own.

 

[UnderGrace]

Here is exhibit A, this false teaching from Joseph Prince ministries has been posted several times now on these forums via copy paste and video from his web site.

Continue In God’s Grace | Grace Inspirations | Joseph Prince Ministries

Notice the lie saying God's law killed 3,000->>>>>>


Another lie here->>>>>

Why is this a lie?

It did happen. They had just been given the law. God did give Moses a command and the sons of Levi followed through.

I find the comparison between Mount Sinai and Mount Zion very compelling.


(Exodus 32:28)

27He said to them, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, 'Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.'"

28So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.

29Then Moses said, "Dedicate yourselves today to the LORD-- for every man has been against his son and against his brother-- in order that He may bestow a blessing upon you today."…

Angela