Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

trofimus · May 1, 2017

To Ariel:

I was reading Didaché yesterday before sleep and look what I found, it may be of our interest:

- 50-120 A.D. - i.e. very, very early witness of the apostolic church practice

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"15:1 Appoint for yourselves therefore bishops and deacons worthy of the Lord, men who are meek and not lovers of money, and true and approved;
15:2 for unto you they also perform the service of the prophets and teachers.
15:3 Therefore despise them not;
15:4 for they are your honourable men along with the prophets and teachers."

In the Czech version, the verse 15:4 is "they are your honorable after the prophets and teachers."

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Summary:

1. Both bishops and deacons are men. Or at least there is no mention they can be also women.

2. They can perform the service of prophets and teachers, but they are not them.

3. If the Czech translation is right, the hierarchy was: "Prophets - teachers - bishops - deacons".

wolfwint · May 1, 2017

trofimus said:

Well,the shepherd has more the duty of the shepherd (looking/concern for the sheep) Not everybody who can teach ore lead well has a view for the need of the "sheeps"

trofimus · May 1, 2017

wolfwint said:

In that case "shepherd" is quite a huge and the most important role in the church... but Bible never specifies who it is.

Ariel posted some view, that "shepherd" is just a common term for "apostles, bishops, elders", which seems to be the right one.

Magenta · May 1, 2017

John 10 (NIV)

10 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.

7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me—15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

slave · May 2, 2017

wolfwint said:

First, feel free to include your input on this subject if God is so moving you to speak. But suffice it to say:

In the consideration of the position of pastoring a church, viz., women; God is the God of order and balance; we see this in the family, and in the Church, and even within the trinity there is an order - a hierarchy (Chain of Command). Jesus said, "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 6:38). So, it is with the Church, that we see that God is a God of order and structure.

So, if you are wanting to let the Holy Spirit speak to you on this subject of Pastoral duties here are some Scriptures to consider that can be discussed and discovered one with another as well: (1 Timothy 2:11-14; 1 Cor. 11:8-9).

My encouragement was to preface that with the historical value of women roles in Scripture as well, for I want to remind us all that male leadership does not belittle women. Jesus was given his authority by God the Father (Matt. 28:18). He was sent by God (John 6:38). He said the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). Did this belittle Jesus? Of course not. Women are of great value in the church and need to be used more and more according to the gifts given them. But it must be according to scripture. Does the wife's submission to the husband mean that she is less than the husband, less important, or belittled? Again, not at all. Not having a place of leadership in the church does not mean a woman is less of a person, less important to God, or inferior. All are equal before God whether it be Jew, Gentile, free, slave, male, or female. But in the church, God has set up an order the same way he set one up in the family. It is not an issue of being belittled. It is an issue of being faithful to God's word and those who are not, belittled the word of God.

oldethennew · May 2, 2017

a great post, Slave...

hubby and I were only a few minutes ago were discussing this subject.

on my side, I wanted to express to him how much that I appreciated and Loved our Saviour
for making him the mate that He meant for me - and that I would never, ever, want it to be any other way,
that, being a woman, His wo-man from God......

on His side, He told me the exact same thing, Him being my Man from God!...
want to talk about being blessing!...

Rockrz · May 2, 2017

You mean like... man with a womb?

peacenik · May 3, 2017

Acts 18:24,26 ... renowned Alexandrian Jewish scholar Apollos was a student of Priscilla and Aquila:
Did Priscilla Teach Apollos?

trofimus · May 3, 2017

peacenik said:

In private? Probably yes. I have no problem with that as many women are on this forum, teaching and discussing with us and I see nothing wrong with it.

Was Priscilla a teacher in the church? No. We do not have any basis to say that, at least.

slave · May 3, 2017

oldethennew said:

Rockrz said:

No remember dating? God made "whoa - man" (inferring 'slow down!'). Smile. We all know a woman is in charge of the stop signs in life, when a man struggles - speaking of roles.....Smile.

wolfwint · May 3, 2017

slave said:

First, feel free to include your input on this subject if God is so moving you to speak. But suffice it to say:

In the consideration of the position of pastoring a church, viz., women; God is the God of order and balance; we see this in the family, and in the Church, and even within the trinity there is an order - a hierarchy (Chain of Command). Jesus said, "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 6:38). So, it is with the Church, that we see that God is a God of order and structure.

So, if you are wanting to let the Holy Spirit speak to you on this subject of Pastoral duties here are some Scriptures to consider that can be discussed and discovered one with another as well: (1 Timothy 2:11-14; 1 Cor. 11:8-9).

My encouragement was to preface that with the historical value of women roles in Scripture as well, for I want to remind us all that male leadership does not belittle women. Jesus was given his authority by God the Father (Matt. 28:18). He was sent by God (John 6:38). He said the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). Did this belittle Jesus? Of course not. Women are of great value in the church and need to be used more and more according to the gifts given them. But it must be according to scripture. Does the wife's submission to the husband mean that she is less than the husband, less important, or belittled? Again, not at all. Not having a place of leadership in the church does not mean a woman is less of a person, less important to God, or inferior. All are equal before God whether it be Jew, Gentile, free, slave, male, or female. But in the church, God has set up an order the same way he set one up in the family. It is not an issue of being belittled. It is an issue of being faithful to God's word and those who are not, belittled the word of God.

Slave, I am wondering about your post. I AM full agree with your. Did I say something which cases you to think I have a different position as those which you posted?

peacenik · May 3, 2017

trofimus said:

The New Testament word for church is 'ekklesia' which properly translates as 'gathering'. Jesus said that any time there are 2 or 3 gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of thee. Please see Matthew 18:20. On that basis, when scholar Apollos was instructed by Priscilla and Aquila it was in a church because it comprised of three people.

samuel23 · May 3, 2017

I think the bible says that they took Apollos aside privately and instructed him, so they did not do it in the church.

peacenik · May 3, 2017

the Christian definition of a church usually involves a building - the Bible, however, defines it as a gathering, not a building and that the "sacred temple" is the human body: 1 Cor 3:16 & 1 Cor 6:19

church defined:

https://www.xenos.org/essays/new-testament-definition-church

Rockrz · May 3, 2017

This does not mean God lied in 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, 1 Timothy 2:12,13

I know that in today's world, lots of false teaching comes thru well known women preachers so you won't catch me sitting under their "ministry"

Weren't you saying you smoke pot in another thread???

Is that the way to treat the "sacred temple", by getting stoned with those love mutha earth socialist hippies???

Just saying... YO

Angela53510 · May 3, 2017

trofimus said:

We just translated some of the Didache in Greek this week. We found it paraphrased the Bible in a few places, it added some really good advice not in the Bible, and it also said some things that are not Biblical at all.

The one we all liked was in section 11:1-6, on "Traveling Teachers." It said that you should not give a penny to a traveling evangelist, but give him a loaf of bread and one night's lodging, then send him on his way. If they asked for money from a town or village, or stayed more than one night, they were "false prophets."

That would be a great one to have in the Bible! It would stop all these Word Faith teachers right in their tracks, if no one could give them money!

It also says someone going to be baptized MUST fast, and a few others to support the person. Not a Biblical requirement, either, but not a bad idea! It also talks about pouring water on the head 3 times for baptism, if there is no water. (I'm thinking desert?) (Didache 7:1-4)

As for section 1:1-6, if you give innocently, then you will be given back for for giving. (Not quite Biblical?) It also says hold onto your money (let it sweat in the in your hands!) until you know who to give to. I wish that was in the Bible, great advice, and again, it might make people think before they get emotionally swayed to give to some thieving Word Faith preacher.

Trofimus, I think you spend too much time reading extra-biblical books. Not that it is bad, but you have the bad habit of taking them as inspired truth. They are merely the words of men, not God.

I don't believer the Didache, written at least a century or more after Christ reflects what the Bible says. Instead, it could well be establishing a false principle, which influenced people, and did not allow the gifts women bring to ministry, for a few thousand years.

peacenik · May 3, 2017

Rockrz said:

''false teaching''

Priscilla and Aquila's teaching of Apollos does not constitute false teaching as you can readily see in the New Testament.

''getting stoned''

This thread is not about me or you. The forum's TOS do not permit insinuations of any kind: Rules - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

One last point re the attendance of people during the lessons conferred by the two teachers and Apollos - samuel wrote that the lessons were "private". There is no indication in the narrative that this was so. Further it is historically established that scholars traveled with scribes as well as their own disciples. Example:

Paul found it hard to write. He had had a hard life, with many injuries from persecutions. However, scribes were frequently used in those times, even by the educated. For whatever reason, Paul dictated his letters to a scribe.

https://bibleview.org/en/bible/actspartone/paulscribe/

the carrying and utilization of notebooks was quite common among Jewish scholars and religious disciples in that era:

https://bible.org/seriespage/8-did-some-disciples-take-notes-during-jesus-ministry

Bear in mind that as written in the cites used above, Apollos was a Jewish scholar. As such, it is reasonable to assume he had other scholars with him at the time of his lessons with Priscilla and Aquila so that these were not necessarily "private" instructional sessions.

Rockrz · May 4, 2017

Did I say they were false teachers??? We have no record of what they taught so we don't know fo sho

But, in these modern times in which we live, lots of false teaching comes thru well known women preachers so you won't catch me sitting under their "ministry"

I'm not insinuating anything. In this thread - http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/151803-my-moneys-worth-cannabis-2.html - you speak favorably of smoking pot, ie getting stoned like a stoner and you even posted a link to "The biblical roots of Jews and marijuana"

Yeah, I'm just pointing out the obvious. I understand tho broman, nobody can be a good liberal without pokin smot right?

The FACT of the matter according to what the Lord put in HIS WORD is that those that practice intoxication will not enter in to the Kingdom of God as this is one of the works of the flesh that disqualifies one from spending eternity with the Lord:

Galatians 5:16-21
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness (intoxication), revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now.. do you REALLY think the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is leading anybody to practice intoxication be it from weed, alcohol, coke, heroin, etc, etc???

If that is true, then these ladies were in violation of scripture and had no business teaching men... one of the Apostles could have done it.

At best, these ladies were nothing more than helpers... otherwise God lied in 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, 1 Timothy 2:12,13

I'm not a big fan of claiming parts of God's Word as being a lie but these are the end times and many have joined Cherry Pickers R Us so this is par for course.

Ariel82 · May 4, 2017

Titus 1:6-9, 1 Timothy 2:12,13

If those verses are shown to be about marriage, would you change your mind about women preachers?

What if YOU are the cherry picker?

Ariel82 · May 4, 2017

Are you sure your not getting peacenik confused with lettucepray?

The link just showed he was for folks going to the doctor.

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