Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

[Johnny_B]

the second that comes to mind for me, is Sarah, she certainly showed her husband
that she, with him, through God, could perform a miracle that would change
the whole world from that time on...

She also suggested to her husband to take Hagar her maidservant and go into her to have a child. Jesus prophesied about Ismael to Hagar, in Genesis 16:11-12. "And the angel of the Lord said to her, “Behold, you are pregnant and shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, because the Lord has listened to your affliction. 12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

The Lord also told Abraham this in 17:20. "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly. He shall father twelve princes, and I will make him into a great nation."

I don't know who the 12 princes were/are, but I do know who his kinsmen are, the Jews. So I hate to say it but, I'm assuming that the other people in the middle east are his offspring an that is why every other nation in the middle east hates or against all his kinsmen. The part that amazes me, is God promised Abraham that he would be the father of many nations and that his son would father many and that he was going to have a son, which would be the start or the one to bring all those children as many as the stars and the sand of the seas. The Lord was talking about Isaac, but Abraham listened to his wife and he had a son, just not the one the Lord was promising. Yet the Lord blessed that son. If you follow the trail of Abram and his stop in Egypt and lying to the Pharaoh, that's where he pick up Hagar, because of his unbelief he went to Egypt, yet God seen Abram as not wavering Romans 4:20. God is awesome.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

Not going to address 1-3 because the thread would go in a very strange tangent.

Let's focus on 4.

So if we had a family reunion would the woman be allowed to speak, according to your beliefs garee?

no

maybe if there was a teaching or study underway?

why family setting garee?

forgive my lack of understanding

but i thought it was only a command to remain silent during a teaching or study of the Word

and if it is indeed true what was discussed earlier only if a man (or maybe just her husband) is leading mentioned study

 

[Ariel82]

She also suggested to her husband to take Hagar her maidservant and go into her to have a child. Jesus prophesied about Ismael to Hagar, in Genesis 16:11-12. "And the angel of the Lord said to her, “Behold, you are pregnant and shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, because the Lord has listened to your affliction. 12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

The Lord also told Abraham this in 17:20. "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly. He shall father twelve princes, and I will make him into a great nation."

I don't know who the 12 princes were/are, but I do know who his kinsmen are, the Jews. So I hate to say it but, I'm assuming that the other people in the middle east are his offspring an that is why every other nation in the middle east hates or against all his kinsmen. The part that amazes me, is God promised Abraham that he would be the father of many nations and that his son would father many and that he was going to have a son, which would be the start or the one to bring all those children as many as the stars and the sand of the seas. The Lord was talking about Isaac, but Abraham listened to his wife and he had a son, just not the one the Lord was promising. Yet the Lord blessed that son. If you follow the trail of Abram and his stop in Egypt and lying to the Pharaoh, that's where he pick up Hagar, because of his unbelief he went to Egypt, yet God seen Abram as not wavering Romans 4:20. God is awesome.

Fyi
Muslims claim to be descendents of Ishmael and since he was the first born to be God's chosen people not the Jews who descended from Jacob.

They say Jacob was a liar and cheat...

God says the promise to Abraham was to his Seed, Christ Jesus, not seeds. Which both Jews and Muslims ignore.

 

[jaybird88]

Jay, the role of Deborah has nothing to do with the role which the woman has in the church according the NT. There is no link! You have to put it out of context and fill it
with your view. If you have this view, then you just have to ignore the word of God. Post 46 from onefaith brings it to the point. Even if the most will disagree! But we have to follow what God teaches and not what pleases us weak human beings.

the bible says the Most High has no problem with Deborah, a woman, being a prophet, leader and judge including authority over men. the bible has zero examples of women being forbidden of teaching.
post 46 mentioned proverbs 46 which says nothing of women being forbidden of teaching.
i see post 46 replace wives with woman. the bible says wives. it has nothing to do with assemblies it has to do with husbands taking the lead over wives.

 

[samuel23]

Hi JB, the bible does not really agree with your summation. Deborah was an anomaly, only men wrote the bible, only men could be priest, only men were among the 12 apostles, and women were told not to take the authority reserved for men in the church.

 

[jaybird88]

Hi JB, the bible does not really agree with your summation. Deborah was an anomaly, only men wrote the bible, only men could be priest, only men were among the 12 apostles, and women were told not to take the authority reserved for men in the church.

only men could write scripture?
only men could be priest?
only men could be apostles?

where is this written? scripture please but i will save you the trouble and let you know they do not exist.

and because Deborah was different, that story doesnt count? are there any other books we should throw out because it conflicts with man made theology?

 

[JaumeJ]

Read the Old Testament to begin with. Meriam, Deborah, Esther, Ruth, and so many more have taught the truth of God either in word or by example.......

It is only in this age when reproduction is necessary, in the age to come we will all be just like Jesus Christ.....we do not yet know just how that is, but we do know it will be glorious. Praise God...

 

[Depleted]

Because marriages have become so broken that many are trying to hold society together with duct tape verses from the Bible.

For some me its easier to blame their wives or exwives for not submitting to their authority, than see how they haven't submitted to God's or acted as a leader of the family.

A lot of people ignore that Christ teaches that to lead one must folllow, to be placed in authority means one must serve and sacrifice of time, energy and prayers. Often it's thankless job in that at least one perrson will find something to criticize.

To stay humble, you can't dismiss their words because they may be the Holy spirit rebuking you. So you must pray and seek God's guidance through scripture.

So yeah someone asked if I weighed the costs.,, I have seen some, and found as another admitted I don't want power and authority and criticism and sacrifice to serve others. But God asks us, will we do His will even if the cost seems to make it hard to bear?

Will we step out of our comfort zone to do His will and help those He sends us to speak and pray with?

I believe the only power and authority a pastor has is the one we give to them, and sometimes we give them power and authority that belongs only to God and our spouses.

God has taught me to seek HIM and his answers first before seeking the advice of others.

Normally I would have a problem and ask others if a solution, instead of praying and asking God.

In this case I have prayer and feel like God has given me a partial answer...maybe not His whole plan,, but a decent start that lets me plan to 41st least October.

How ever my plans always change, but He keeps me on track.

You have prayed.

Your husband has agreed with this plan.

You have experienced what appears to be a sign.

BUT, what has God's word taught you? Not what has everyone posting verses and giving their opinion taught you. What has the study you've done with God's word taught you is the answer?

 

[Stephen63]

Somebody show me where any man was allowed to "take authority" over anyone.

Chapter & verse, please..... No IMO's.

 

[Depleted]

timothy makes it pretty clear....


but titus said you are to train young women to be sober and teach them how to love their husbands and be good wifes



i know in the past ive been wrong based on the truth of the word
and theres been times in my life a woman pointed it out

she didnt TEACH me in a case like this
but she shared some of the truth of the Word i may have over looked being in the flesh


based on the word id never submit to a woman but if she is humble and says something true

who am i to deny the truth


(would change my heart about this in 1 second if someone can use scripture to explain timothy and to justify a woman teacher)

So, you'd never have a woman as a boss?

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

Timothy 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;


1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.



for husband n wife


like i said im even weary to call a male teacher

1 john 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

thats for you stephen

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

So, you'd never have a woman as a boss?

spiritual boss no.... in context were speaking of biblical teachings

 

[Depleted]

How does a man/pastor "teach" then?

I thought teaching was sharing God's truth with one another because the Holy spirit is the true teacher?

Does that work in your church? The pastor shares something from the Bible and then everyone discusses it? And I though Presbyterian sermons were long. lol

Truthfully, the two ways folks teach in churches I go to are sermons and Bible studies. The teacher has studied what is being taught long and hard, then presents it to the people. In a sermon, after the teaching is either communion or the final song. After Bible study, we can ask questions if we didn't get something. I suppose we can disagree too, but we had better know our stuff to prove out point quickly, or we're going to feel really stupid.

Teaching is teaching. Sounds like you are talking about a facilitator. I've been a facilitator. I just haven't seen anything in the Bible to describe what the position is or why. I've been a telemarketer, too, so I just went with it's like raspberries. If it isn't in the Bible, it's not against the Bible, so go for it and do what feels right. (Raspberries feel ever so right to me, but I've met people who think they're ever so wrong. And I can say that telemarketing can be ever so wrong or ever so right. lol)

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

spiritual boss no.... in context were speaking of biblical teachings

buuut out of context and if this is gossip im sorry but ill add ive had 2 female bosses in my life in over a dozen jobs

one was fornicating in the building with multiple employees even though she had a boy friend


the other was a part time nudest who ended up getting fired for screaming at clients



oops dont want to lie 3 female bosses

if your talking about direct authority over me

first was a shift leader at dollar general as an unsaved kid....

dated her daughter and we broke up.... our head butting was as much my fault as hers

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

want to add im not demonizing females just poor experience under their lead....


also got emanipated from my mother



as a God fearing woman im sure youd make a fine boss depleted

 

[Depleted]

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence

Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 11:8 - For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

Peter 3:5 - For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

1 Timothy 2:11 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


these types of verses are why i have my belief

no opinions can change it or words

id need multiple verses that also explain the truths ive read but may have misunderstood

Well, I'm not going to tell you that you're right or wrong. I think the same way about women teachers as you, however, where do you take Titus 2 to its conclusion? It does say elders teach youngers. Who is the elder and the younger? And when is the cutoff date?

I'm really assuming you have no problems with your mom still teaching you. (And by now, you have surely learned the difference on when to trust her and when not to.) Is that a special spot for your mom only? What about the women of God?

Got to tell you. I've reached the age when my elders are often younger than I am. Kind of had to give up thinking of it as an age.

Also, women here, so my elders are often younger women even.

And, then there is the reality of the world we live in. Already asked you about women bosses. What about women cops? Will you not submit to them, because that will head the wrong way quickly. Women doctors? They have something to teach you that you need to know. If you go to school again, how does it work if your teacher is a women?

I really do think women should not teach God's word to men who are heads-of. (Probably a better word for that, but men with authority just sounds soooo, "authoritarian." I don't like self-proclaimed authorities, and yet some men really have authority above my authority. So, I'm calling it heads-of, as in heads-of-family, heads-of-church, heads-of-state, whatever. Whoever has authority above my authority.) BUT, I was the boss of a few men in my lifetime. I was the Secretary (business term, not office administrative) for our church when we incorporated it. (Tax purposes, not merely a board member.) I have held authority over men. I merely didn't flaunt it. I recognized it as a team effort. On the other hand, when someone on the team was making no effort, I did have the responsibility that comes with authority.

I'm wondering have you thought out all those aspects of "I won't submit to a woman."

 

[Depleted]

i see youre trying to say its only the husband who shouldnt learn from the wife....

but that doesnt change my perspective, you may in fact be correct here seeing as how i dont have the wisdom to tell you these translations are correct or incorrect

also the verses i posted dont out right say its a shame to learn from a woman

buuut im weary of men teachers too
ill stick to the word and prayer for my understanding

i have no way to see how legit those translations are #1 and #2 maybe its my prior belief but i still would not feel comfortable looking to anyone as my Teacher


i will say this though

if you are correct on this
and its totally fine for a woman to issue spiritual guidance to men outside her husband

then in the past ive made false claims

and id have to look into this more to make the same assertions i have in the past

you just MAY end up teachin me somethin here

I was tempted to ask hubby if I was allowed to teach him anything, but he is making an omelette, and I didn't want his omelette to burn while he was having a laughing fit. LOL

(Both of us teach each other stuff we've learned about the Bible. That's what happens in marriage. Completely different ballgame. )

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

Well, I'm not going to tell you that you're right or wrong. I think the same way about women teachers as you, however, where do you take Titus 2 to its conclusion? It does say elders teach youngers. Who is the elder and the younger? And when is the cutoff date?

I'm really assuming you have no problems with your mom still teaching you. (And by now, you have surely learned the difference on when to trust her and when not to.) Is that a special spot for your mom only? What about the women of God?

Got to tell you. I've reached the age when my elders are often younger than I am. Kind of had to give up thinking of it as an age.

Also, women here, so my elders are often younger women even.

And, then there is the reality of the world we live in. Already asked you about women bosses. What about women cops? Will you not submit to them, because that will head the wrong way quickly. Women doctors? They have something to teach you that you need to know. If you go to school again, how does it work if your teacher is a women?

I really do think women should not teach God's word to men who are heads-of. (Probably a better word for that, but men with authority just sounds soooo, "authoritarian." I don't like self-proclaimed authorities, and yet some men really have authority above my authority. So, I'm calling it heads-of, as in heads-of-family, heads-of-church, heads-of-state, whatever. Whoever has authority above my authority.) BUT, I was the boss of a few men in my lifetime. I was the Secretary (business term, not office administrative) for our church when we incorporated it. (Tax purposes, not merely a board member.) I have held authority over men. I merely didn't flaunt it. I recognized it as a team effort. On the other hand, when someone on the team was making no effort, I did have the responsibility that comes with authority.

I'm wondering have you thought out all those aspects of "I won't submit to a woman."

you assume wrong read my previous message lol

i will not take any instruction from a woman or man who..... is like she is (my mom)

but like i said originally
understanding something as truth is fine
also working over any individual is fine

but i will not lets say

attend a church led by a woman
thats why i made the comment youre referring to

 

[Depleted]

Not going to address 1-3 because the thread would go in a very strange tangent.

Let's focus on 4.

So if we had a family reunion would the woman be allowed to speak, according to your beliefs garee?

Most of my family would prefer it if I were silent during family reunions -- but that's both genders, not merely the guys. And, what they prefer isn't gonna happen. lol