BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN BODY NOT IN MIND

[ozell]

I know!
That's what I've been saying all this time Ozell.
This is how he made a new creation out of the spirit of man with the second Adam(Jesus).
Not out of dust and breath but out of the Spirit of the living God.
(John 17) - Comforter. - Call it the new breath on those who He gave the grace to have faith in.

Rick
No

Lets read one verse which will totally put your theory to rest
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

At what point is your theory born of a incorruptible seed?

Better yet so not to put pressure on you

When are we born of a incorruptible seed?

When?

 

[ozell]

Notice what the Lord says, "the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil." If Adam didn't listen to Eve we would only have two commandments.

1. Be fruitful and multiply and

2. Do not eat from the tree of knowledge good and evil (listening to Satan).

Man would have never died. Everyone from Adam until eternity would still be alive. Let's take a look at man's potential.

Psalms 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Who are these mighty ones that God judgeth among the gods?

These are not pagan gods that the Lord judge. Pagan gods have no might nor any breath in them.

Take a look and see who these gods are.

 

[ozell]

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

These gods are men.

Why?
Look at the 7th verse again. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Spirits don't die; men do (flesh and blood). To give you a better understanding of this, take a look at what Jesus said to the Pharisees.

Pay close attention what's being said.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?”

Notice Jesus quoted the 6th verse in the 82nd Psalm. Now take a look at the next verse.

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

 

[ozell]

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

John 3:7-8 (KJV)
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Which of you born again people are like the wind and incorruptible

 

[angelofmercy]

Rick
No

Lets read one verse which will totally put your theory to rest
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

At what point is your theory born of a incorruptible seed?

Better yet so not to put pressure on you

When are we born of a incorruptible seed?

When?

I have! Being transformed by the RENEWAL OF MY MIND Ozell. I am dead, the old man being crucified. So now it is not I who live but Christ who lives on me. I am blessed to be part of the first resurrection, with death having NO power over me.

 

[ozell]

Show me a person(man) in the bible who said they are born again ?

 

[RickShafer]

Ozell - 'When are we born of a incorruptible seed?
When ? '

When we are born of the Spirit of God.
Which must happen in this life.
Or else it would not be a work of faith.
We must be accepted into the beloved(body of Christ) in this life; else there is no sanctification, and therefore no redemption.
Unless you say the 3,000 souls who were converted on the day of Pentecost were all dead the same day.

 

[ozell]

I have! Being transformed by the RENEWAL OF MY MIND Ozell. I am dead, the old man being crucified. So now it is not I who live but Christ who lives on me. I am blessed to be part of the first resurrection, with death having NO power over me.

So you had a change of mind which Jesus speaks of

Matthew 13:15 (KJV)
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The 1st resurrection has not happened and you have not been born into God's family

Because you think you are I'm here in Chicago since you are like the wind you should be able to come to my job where I am now

I'm waiting so fly swiftly

 

[RickShafer]

Ozell,
As long as you hold to THAT mistaken belief that no one can be saved without upholding the law perfectly...........
YOU ARE DEAD IN YOUR TRESPASSES AND SINS.

 

[angelofmercy]

Show me a person(man) in the bible who said they are born again ?

Lol. You sound like your television shows. I used to watch them alot.

1 John 3:2-3

2*Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3*And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


I am a son of God NOW beloved.

 

[RickShafer]

Ozell,
This is serious because it is a matter of faith.
By your words you testify of your eternal state.

 

[angelofmercy]

So you had a change of mind which Jesus speaks of

Matthew 13:15 (KJV)
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The 1st resurrection has not happened and you have not been born into God's family

Because you think you are I'm here in Chicago since you are like the wind you should be able to come to my job where I am now

I'm waiting so fly swiftly

You don't seem to understand Ozell. Those of the first resurrection at those redeemed by the kinsman redeemer. Those of the second resurrection are those released during jubilee.

 

[angelofmercy]

Ozell,
This is serious because it is a matter of faith.
By your words you testify of your eternal state.

Beloved Ozell will be with the Lord. If you are Christ's, then he is a well.

 

[ozell]

Ozell - 'When are we born of a incorruptible seed?
When ? '

When we are born of the Spirit of God.
Which must happen in this life.
Or else it would not be a work of faith.
We must be accepted into the beloved(body of Christ) in this life; else there is no sanctification, and therefore no redemption.
Unless you say the 3,000 souls who were converted on the day of Pentecost were all dead the same day.

Rick
Lets use reason
Who in this life is incorruptible?

There is no one in the flesh incorruptible

Jesus was the only

Go back and read what Peter said again

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

When were you born of a incorruptible seed?


Romans 3:23 (KJV)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Do you sin?have you sinned since you been born?



1 John 1:8 (KJV)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[ozell]

You don't seem to understand Ozell. Those of the first resurrection at those redeemed by the kinsman redeemer. Those of the second resurrection are those released during jubilee.

Has it happened?

 

[ozell]

Ozell,
This is serious because it is a matter of faith.
By your words you testify of your eternal state.

Yes it is about faith Brother

Do you believe Jesus when he said one that is born again is like the wind
Do you believe what Jesus had Peter write a person born again is a incorruptible seed

I do

Was Peter and Paul born again?

 

[RickShafer]

Angel of mercy,
That is not for me or you to say.
You and me aren't the judge.
'If I am' has nothing to do with 'whether you are' or if 'Ozell' is.
Please don't frustrate the Grace of God by taking upon yourself the position
of judge.
Please don't frustrate the grace of God.

 

[angelofmercy]

Has it happened?

Yes! Are you a NEW CREATURE in Christ or are you the same old sinner?

And again it is with the MIND I know this, because while in the body, it does not appear a such.

 

[ozell]

Lol. You sound like your television shows. I used to watch them alot.

1 John 3:2-3

2*Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3*And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


I am a son of God NOW beloved.

I waiting for you to come to Chicago to my job
If you are a god now

Jesus walked though doors and was taken off to heaven Ayer he was born again

Fly swiftly Tell you what I get off at 6:30 so you have 4 hrs

 

[ozell]

Yes! Are you a NEW CREATURE in Christ or are you the same old sinner?

And again it is with the MIND I know this, because while in the body, it does not appear a such.

When you were born once was it the mind or body