BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN BODY NOT IN MIND

pickles · Oct 10, 2012

Ill try to speak to this.

In recieiving Jesus, knowing Him and by faith, dying with Him.
We are, raised with Him, alive because His spirit lives in us.
Not by anything I do, but because of what He has done for us and in us.
Born again in Spirit, Jesus!
Now each day learning to live in spirit, setting flesh aside.
Am I like the wind? I cannot answer this, but the Holy Spirit is the wind spoken to in acts.
It is also spoken to in the OT, that the winds are Gods chariot and also His messengers.
If you are refuring to the Holy Spirit ?
I have known the wind to come to me, bringing His presance and conferming understanding given in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
I cannot claime the same as the apostles, but I have had knowladge given, interpitations I could not have known on my own, and words spoken that came without my bidding.
Also found that the streangth I live in is not of flesh or self, but perfect and increacing daily in Jesus.
But to say I am the wind? I dont know, for I would need more explanation of what you are asking.
I have too often found that where I thought I had understanding, only to be humbled and had the flesh stripped from my eyes again, seeing His greatness, realising I still have only recived a glimce.
There are things I cannot explain, except to say these things are from God, given through His Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
It is best spoken to in 2 cor 5: 16 -18, for my words would fall short of His glory, so I refur to this scripture to explain it .

God bless
pickles

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

RickShafer said:

With the mind of Christ, do we not judge all things. But I am judged by no man.

If you see yourself saved, see all saved! The harvest is indeed plentiful!

ozell · Oct 10, 2012

John 3:3 (KJV)
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

What kingdom is Jesus talking about?

His kingdom or the Fathers?

ozell · Oct 10, 2012

1 Corinthians 15:50 (KJV)
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Listen to what Paul says here ? He answers what Jesus said about born again

It also speaks of peters statement about born again

RickShafer · Oct 10, 2012

All are not saved Angel.
This is were you can grieve the Spirit by assuming so.
(That is why there is a harvest......white unto snow.)

Don't assume anything.

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

ozell said:

I know you can read with understanding Ozell. You see the verse and yet you deny it. What does "NOW" mean?

Was John disappearing and reappearing as you would have it to believe?

If you're seeking a sign I will tell you the same thing our Lord told those in His day on earth. Only ONE sign will be given it! I assume you do know it, right?

ozell · Oct 10, 2012

pickles said:

Ill try to speak to this.

In recieiving Jesus, knowing Him and by faith, dying with Him.
We are, raised with Him, alive because His spirit lives in us.
Not by anything I do, but because of what He has done for us and in us.
Born again in Spirit, Jesus!
Now each day learning to live in spirit, setting flesh aside.
Am I like the wind? I cannot answer this, but the Holy Spirit is the wind spoken to in acts.
It is also spoken to in the OT, that the winds are Gods chariot and also His messengers.
If you are refuring to the Holy Spirit ?
I have known the wind to come to me, bringing His presance and conferming understanding given in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
I cannot claime the same as the apostles, but I have had knowladge given, interpitations I could not have known on my own, and words spoken that came without my bidding.
Also found that the streangth I live in is not of flesh or self, but perfect and increacing daily in Jesus.
But to say I am the wind? I dont know, for I would need more explanation of what you are asking.
I have too often found that where I thought I had understanding, only to be humbled and had the flesh stripped from my eyes again, seeing His greatness, realising I still have only recived a glimce.
There are things I cannot explain, except to say these things are from God, given through His Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
It is best spoken to in 2 cor 5: 16 -18, for my words would fall short of His glory, so I refur to this scripture to explain it .

God bless
pickles

Ate you like the wind?
Are you a incorruptible seed?

Example
when Jesus rose from the dead he was born again.

Jesus was God
Jesus went to become man was so was born into the family of man
Jesus died a man and rose a God so born again into the family of God

You was born into the family of man

You have not been born Into the family of God

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

ozell said:

I no longer walk in the flesh but in the Spirit.

Beloved we are told to FIRST seek the kingdom which is within you. Death is the way in. So if you're still searching for it, then you have yet to crucify the old man. Or do you not know that whoever is baptized into Jesus is done so unto His death?

ozell · Oct 10, 2012

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Now if you look at the verse above you will say, "See, I told you we are in the spirit.” Then I would say to you. "What spirit are you in?” Remember, Jesus compares someone born of the spirit to the wind. Look closely at the verse. Notice something familiar? Take a look. "If so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” If the Spirit of God dwells within you, you are in the spirit. How can the spirit of God dwell within you? Before we continue in Romans 8, let's have the Master even Jesus clear this up.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Notice what the Lord says, "The flesh profiteth nothing, the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life". The spirit that dwells within you is His word. His word gives you life eternal. Paul is on the same page as the Master as always. Plain and simple you are not walking in the flesh or in other words in the ways of the world. You are walking in the spirit, or you are obeying the Word of God.

ozell · Oct 10, 2012

angelofmercy said:

1 John 4:1 (KJV)
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

ozell said:

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Now if you look at the verse above you will say, "See, I told you we are in the spirit.” Then I would say to you. "What spirit are you in?” Remember, Jesus compares someone born of the spirit to the wind. Look closely at the verse. Notice something familiar? Take a look. "If so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” If the Spirit of God dwells within you, you are in the spirit. How can the spirit of God dwell within you? Before we continue in Romans 8, let's have the Master even Jesus clear this up.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Notice what the Lord says, "The flesh profiteth nothing, the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life". The spirit that dwells within you is His word. His word gives you life eternal. Paul is on the same page as the Master as always. Plain and simple you are not walking in the flesh or in other words in the ways of the world. You are walking in the spirit, or you are obeying the Word of God.

Do you know of the law of the kinsman redeemer and jubilee?

And if I love my neighbor as myself, is not all the law fulfilled?

pickles · Oct 10, 2012

ozell said:

I pray you will reconsider your words, for remember that God said that the judgements we make on others, shall be judged upon us.
I have no doubts about my being alive now in Jesus, just because I do not speak in the words you judge, does not mean I am not.
For I do not live to your judgements, but unto Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
I was made alive in Jesus and He lives in me, my flesh is but the temple in which I reside.
I do not know how much clearer it can be said.
For I have died to flesh in Jesus and rose with Him, so that His Spirit now resides in me.
It is not by my flesh or actions, but God's gift by faith.

Ozell, please be carefull about how you judge others, for God will bring correction.
I say this only because I made this mistake , and learned that God does correct one in this.
Praise God that He chastizes those He loves!

And in Him, everything that was made was made,
And anything that was not, was not made.
Not by your word ozell, but by the word, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!

in Jesus, may God bless you always
pickles

RickShafer · Oct 10, 2012

Ozell said - 1 John 4:1 (KJV)
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

AMEN! -
(Try them whether they be of Love)
(Try them whether they be of Grace)
(Try them whether they be of Faith)

- If they don't have at least one of these three discontinue listening to it altogether.

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

ozell said:

Have you tried mine? I say that all men will be saved. Is that from God?

RickShafer · Oct 10, 2012

Angel of mercy said - 'Have you tried mine? I say that all men will be saved. Is that from God?'

No.
It's not.
- Say 'hi' to Hitler and Stalin.

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

RickShafer said:

So you're saying that saving all is NOT a good thing? And Hitler and Stalin are dead. And if the dead are in Christ, they are risen new creatures.

RickShafer · Oct 10, 2012

Angel of mercy said - 'So you're saying that saving all is NOT a good thing? And Hitler and Stalin are dead. And if the dead are in Christ, they are risen new creatures.'

-- No, I'm not saying saving everybody is not a good thing.
I'm saying hell is a real thing. - Don't take scripture out of context.

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

RickShafer said:

Hell is real. But if it takes the lowest hell for one to call on the Lord, then hell has served it's purpose.

RickShafer · Oct 10, 2012

Angel,
Hell is eternal separation.
There are no 'do-overs' there.
Don't take my word for it; read the Holy Writ.

angelofmercy · Oct 10, 2012

RickShafer said:

You've opened your mouth....

Deuteronomy 32:18-22

18*Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

19*And when the Lord saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

20*And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

21*They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

22*For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

But of God's love:

Psalms 86:7-13

7*In the day of my trouble I will call upon thee: for thou wilt answer me.

8*Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works.

9*All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.

10*For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

11*Teach me thy way, O Lord; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

12*I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore.

13*For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

Now either insert your foot in it, or humble yourself to the greater good.

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