Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner

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Angela53510

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First, what Bruce has done is take hormones and get some plastic surgery and some very good dress designers. Everything I have read indicates he has done nothing permanent. So don't feel "sorry" for him! (I use the word, sorry, loosely!)

Next, I think this whole transgendered thing is really a type of mental illness. I knew a Christian man when I lived in Edmonton, who was transitioning. I got the impression he was desperate for women friends, so they could teach him how to wear make up, buy clothes. I guess he realized I was not that person! Lol! He got in a transgendered group, and they taught him how to act like a woman.

I always thought it was deeply ironical that these men, desperate to be women, knew nothing about how women lived. As I told him, I could not believe any man would want to become a woman, and have to wait in long bathroom line ups, while the men walked in and out! He didn't get that, either. And why is it the ugly and /or masculine men are the ones who want to be woman?

Eventually he told me that he was sent to a child psychiatrist for counselling after his father died when he was a young boy. The pedophiles molested both him and his father. There had to be something mentally wrong, I am certain.

Finally, Christianity is not, and never will be based in gender, economic position, ethnicity or works. Of course, I believe you cannot lose your salvation. But in the case of this Christian man transgendering, we had lots of talks about God and he seemed to know Christ. And other than this self mutilating himself, he really was living for God. He carried his Bible everywhere, and was witnessing to his transgendered "woman" friends. (OK, let's not go there, that is too weird!)

Anyway, I am not going to comment on Jenner's Christianity. He seems dishonest, between steroid use and pretending to be a woman, but not willing to go all the way, yet soak up all the publicity and money. Who knows? I leave it to God!
 
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Susanna

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First, what Bruce has done is take hormones and get some plastic surgery and some very good dress designers. Everything I have read indicates he has done nothing permanent. So don't feel "sorry" for him! (I use the word, sorry, loosely!)

Next, I think this whole transgendered thing is really a type of mental illness. I knew a Christian man when I lived in Edmonton, who was transitioning. I got the impression he was desperate for women friends, so they could teach him how to wear make up, buy clothes. I guess he realized I was not that person! Lol! He got in a transgendered group, and they taught him how to act like a woman.

I always thought it was deeply ironical that these men, desperate to be women, knew nothing about how women lived. As I told him, I could not believe any man would want to become a woman, and have to wait in long bathroom line ups, while the men walked in and out! He didn't get that, either. And why is it the ugly and /or masculine men are the ones who want to be woman?

Eventually he told me that he was sent to a child psychiatrist for counselling after his father died when he was a young boy. The pedophiles molested both him and his father. There had to be something mentally wrong, I am certain.

Finally, Christianity is not, and never will be based in gender, economic position, ethnicity or works. Of course, I believe you cannot lose your salvation. But in the case of this Christian man transgendering, we had lots of talks about God and he seemed to know Christ. And other than this self mutilating himself, he really was living for God. He carried his Bible everywhere, and was witnessing to his transgendered "woman" friends. (OK, let's not go there, that is too weird!)

Anyway, I am not going to comment on Jenner's Christianity. He seems dishonest, between steroid use and pretending to be a woman, but not willing to go all the way, yet soak up all the publicity and money. Who knows? I leave it to God!
I think that last sentence is the answer to most of the questions being raised in BDF.
 
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I get confused on these issues.
Men and woman can wear similar clothes, express themselves however they choose,
reach out and accept support in whatever form seems appropriate.

The variation within women from very feminine to very strong silent types, and equally
among men, how is it dress or sexual identity matter?

Many do not know real intimacy or getting close to another. So there is often a lot about
knowing who you are and just being happy with this.

Finding and sharing love with another can be an difficult search when you are not sure
quite who you are and how you express yourself.

Even people who are married, can find their partner wants to be something very different.
One woman in our church discovered her husband of 30+ years wanted to become a woman
and still stay part of the family. They had kids and everything, so in this confused identity
mess, how can one see sense. The poor woman feels like she lost her love and partner,
and feels totally deserted and alone.
 

preacher4truth

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Why do some wonder if a person who practices sodomy is saved or not? Isn't Scripture clear enough, or, are many just hoping they can be that and still get into heaven? What a bunch of confusion we have today among professing believers! This must be judgment for not enduring sound doctrine; 2 Timothy 4:3, not retaining God in their knowledge; Romans 1:28, and for exchanging a form of godliness for the true godliness that comes via transformation and true conversion; 2 Timothy 3:5; 2 Corinthians 3:17ff.
 

hornetguy

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How is this a dead horse argument??
I'm new here and I've never heard this before.
Give us new folk a break!!

And stop winking at the girls!
I've told you this before...
You ain't new, sis.... this isn't Maine, where you have to live there 30 years before you aren't "the new folks" anymore....
 

OneFaith

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Famous quote by Bruce Jenner:

“Waving the flag at the 1976 Olympics wasn't my idea. It was too much apple pie and ice cream. Not that I don't love my country, but I felt it was my victory up there, I put all the time into it.”

Bruce Jenner quotes (American Athlete, b.1949)

Famous quote by Caitlyn Jenner:

"First of all, I try to be a positive role model."

Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner.
Interesting note here:

Caitlyn Jenner says she's a Christian. What does that mean for Christianity?

Question: Is it possible for Bruce/Caitlyn to be saved?
OSAS.
Could that apply here?
First of all, OSAS is not true but a doctrine of demons. But yes, as long as someone is still alive it is possible for them to be saved or to return as a prodigal son. But it is impossible for someone who knows the truth, and has tasted that God is good, to leave the truth to practice false teaching.

For example, let's say a Christian leaves Christs church, and goes to worship Buddha- they can never return.
 

AllenW

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First of all, OSAS is not true but a doctrine of demons. But yes, as long as someone is still alive it is possible for them to be saved or to return as a prodigal son. But it is impossible for someone who knows the truth, and has tasted that God is good, to leave the truth to practice false teaching.

For example, let's say a Christian leaves Christs church, and goes to worship Buddha- they can never return.
Oh boy, am I glad you are not God.
Christianity is a one time grab or you lose.
I don't see that in Scripture.
 

shittim

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saved but cost him his reward for living in open rebellion of the way he was born? "Male and female, created He, them".
 
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Salvation is a day to day thing???
You mean I could lose my salvation at any moment??
I don't understand your post.
I don't think you understand what salvation is, and I think a lot of people don't understand what salvation is. They think that if you cross a certain line, the Lord will make sure you burn forever. However, once you get "saved," that won't happen to you.

The Lord is just and merciful. There is no line you can cross from which there is no return. When we obey the Lord's will, things go well for us. When we don't obey the Lord's will - when we don't love him with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves - we run into trouble. If our sin gets bad enough, it can be BIG trouble.

Said another way, salvation is when the Lord gets us out of the messes we get ourselves into.
 

Angela_grace

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He's not saved. Yes, yes, many will say who am I to judge. Only God can judge. (I don't think the bible actually says that. Just says if you judge be ready for them to judge you as well) Anyways.....in this particular instance I'm not judging I'm discerning. God says you shall know them by their fruits. And he has no Godly fruit. I find it sad that so many of us Christians willingly allow someone with a lifestyle such as Bruce Jenner to be connected the name of God. It's like you're belittling the name of God, and all he stands for in my opinion. Am I saying we can't love him and show him the right way? No, I am not. But currently he is not saved and not living a life that pleases The Lord. We cannot love both God an the world. If you love the world you are an enemy of God.
 

stonesoffire

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no power to deliver such as him?

I feel bad for him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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let he who has no sin cast the first stone..

Only God knows if someone is saved or not, We should not try to judge. we all have sins.. And we would be better vetted worrying about our own sin than the sin of other people;
 
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eternally-gratefull

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First of all, OSAS is not true but a doctrine of demons.

Yep. Lets replace grace with works.. As if that is not demonic in itself..

You have grace or you have works, there is no inbetween.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Stop the world, I want to get off! Sex-changes on the NHS, "gay" marriages, abortion on demand etc etc. It won't end there, it's going to get worse - MUCH worse. All these things are a denial of God's supremacy, it's a statement that God makes mistakes! Bruce Jenner is a man, you cannot change DNA which is God's design. The world accepts this nonsense and anyone who dares challenge it is set upon by the masses. Right now Satan is laughing because the world is listening to him and turning away from God.

God help us!
 

blue_ladybug

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You are wayyy off base with your last statement. OF COURSE it's possible for someone to leave Christ, then come back later.. It happens every day, it's called stumbling off God's pathway..doing your own thing for awhile until you realize God's way is better, then returning to Him once again. :) I'm living proof, I left the Christian church for awhile and became a Mormon. Then I found out what a cult Mormonism is and I returned to Christianity. And OSAS is NOT a "doctrine of demons". It is true, once saved always saved, UNLESS you reject and or deny God..



First of all, OSAS is not true but a doctrine of demons. But yes, as long as someone is still alive it is possible for them to be saved or to return as a prodigal son. But it is impossible for someone who knows the truth, and has tasted that God is good, to leave the truth to practice false teaching.

For example, let's say a Christian leaves Christs church, and goes to worship Buddha- they can never return.
 

shrimp

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You are wayyy off base with your last statement. OF COURSE it's possible for someone to leave Christ, then come back later.. It happens every day, it's called stumbling off God's pathway..doing your own thing for awhile until you realize God's way is better, then returning to Him once again. :) I'm living proof, I left the Christian church for awhile and became a Mormon. Then I found out what a cult Mormonism is and I returned to Christianity. And OSAS is NOT a "doctrine of demons". It is true, once saved always saved, UNLESS you reject and or deny God..
YES!
If his statement were true 99.99% of Christians would be doomed (if not, 100%).
 
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Amazing-Grace

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You are wayyy off base with your last statement. OF COURSE it's possible for someone to leave Christ, then come back later.. It happens every day, it's called stumbling off God's pathway..doing your own thing for awhile until you realize God's way is better, then returning to Him once again. :) I'm living proof, I left the Christian church for awhile and became a Mormon. Then I found out what a cult Mormonism is and I returned to Christianity. And OSAS is NOT a "doctrine of demons". It is true, once saved always saved, UNLESS you reject and or deny God..
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to blue_ladybug again."
 

preacher4truth

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Why all of a sudden is Bruce telling others he's a Christian? (Only going by others claiming he has). I've never heard him make this claim in the past, so, why now, ever since he's come out?
 
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sevenseas

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Bruce Jenner was possibly the best athlete of the last century. You think about it, what a coup for Satan, he actually has perverted one of the finest examples of male humanity into pretending that he is a woman, and all the evil media that are controlled by Satan are rejoicing.

ummmm

I'm really not familiar with him, but from what I know there are plenty of other excellent male athletes if one wants to look only at the outside

I'm not trying to correct or be religious here, but I honestly look at a whole lot more than what a man looks like and I think the world actually does also

and the clincher is so does God. David was overlooked but he was the one God had His eye on.

I really like that story. Good looking people are like everyone else, but it seems they sometimes become confused with their image and the idea of keeping up with it.

I would honestly think that bigger 'coups' for the devil would be when someone who stood for biblical Christianity falls

I hope you understand the point I am trying to make
 

shrimp

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Why all of a sudden is Bruce telling others he's a Christian? (Only going by others claiming he has). I've never heard him make this claim in the past, so, why now, ever since he's come out?
I would assume it's to confuse people. But then again, he may actually believe that he is and that what he has done and believed is ok.