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unclefester

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Ohhh, so tongues of angels is not an angelic tongues but a human language...I get it.... Come on dude, are you really going to go that far to disbelieve scripture???????????????????
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Actually 4runner.......no......you don't get it. You could not answer anything else but what you did. Otherwise, it could be nothing but a clear admission and exposure that "todays tongues" and all things related are nothing but seeking proof of God and His Holy Spirit thru supernatural signs. Do you really believe that God the Creator and the entirety of His Spirit creations are in need of a spiritual "language" in the physical sense of hearing in order to communicate ? Would the tongues or language of the angels be any different than the language of God ?
 
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Actually 4runner.......no......you don't get it.
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Oh i get it. you refuse to accept scripture because it doesnt line up with your theology. so you study long and hard to tell me why it doesnt mean what it says.

When Paul says he spoke in the tongues of Angels he most certainly was not talking about a human language by which angels spoke to him. He was referring to and angelic tongue the Holy Spirit spoke through him.
 
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Do you really believe that God the Creator and the entirety of His Spirit creations are in need of a spiritual "language" in the physical sense of hearing in order to communicate ? Would the tongues or language of the angels be any different than the language of God ?
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Godly language, angelic language, what if they were the same. After all it is the Holy Spirit (who is God) praying the perfect will of God through us when we pray in angelic tongues.
 
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Oh i get it. you refuse to accept scripture because it doesnt line up with your theology. so you study long and hard to tell me why it doesnt mean what it says.

When Paul says he spoke in the tongues of Angels he most certainly was not talking about a human language by which angels spoke to him. He was referring to and angelic tongue the Holy Spirit spoke through him.
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No you don't get it./ PAUL NEVER SAID HE SPOKE IN THE TONGUE OF ANGELS. He made a hypothetical. the greek word does not allow is to assume he was claiming to speak it. It is an if statement, future tense. which not clear explanation if it would occur or not.

but you can't see this because your blinded by your own belief and unwilling to check anything out.

newshflash. The bible was not written in english!
 
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Oh i get it. you refuse to accept scripture because it doesnt line up with your theology. so you study long and hard to tell me why it doesnt mean what it says.

When Paul says he spoke in the tongues of Angels he most certainly was not talking about a human language by which angels spoke to him. He was referring to and angelic tongue the Holy Spirit spoke through him.
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Think about the rest of my previous post that you chose to ignore.....or don't.
 
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Paul claims to have spoken in the tongues of Angels...was Paul a heretic?
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wh....wh...what????
oh my gosh. LOLOL!

i can't even deal with this right now.
oh wow.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yeah I guess Gabriel spoke to Daniel in some supernatural tongue. Or the "angel of the Lord" spoke to men in some mysterious language.

Not only this. Again 4 runner is found twisting scripture. Paul never claimed to speak in the tongue of angels. He said "IF" I speak the tongue of angels of men

The greek word is.

ἐάν
a conditional particle (derived fr. εἰ ἄν), which makes reference to time and to experience, introducing something future, but not determining, before the event, whether it is certainly to take place; if, in case

Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Being Grimm's Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (162). New York: Harper & Brothers.

Paul was making a statement of fact. Even IF he spoke on the tongue of angels. If he did not have love, he was like a cymbal or brass instrument which was making noise, and not music. It would be worthless.

This is much different than claiming to speaking this way!

Some people may just never get it.
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LOVE YOU EG.

zoney

if i spoke the languages of angels and whales and chickens......
 
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wh....wh...what????
oh my gosh. LOLOL!

i can't even deal with this right now.
oh wow.
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I probably wouldnt if I were you either. Really, what could you say??? Copy and paste some teaching of man, that explains away scripture?
 
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I probably wouldnt if I were you either. Really, what could you say??? Copy and paste some teaching of man, that explains away scripture?
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yer lips are flappin but there's STILL nothing sensible coming out.
just admit you can't or won't read.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yeah I guess Gabriel spoke to Daniel in some supernatural tongue. Or the "angel of the Lord" spoke to men in some mysterious language.

Not only this. Again 4 runner is found twisting scripture. Paul never claimed to speak in the tongue of angels. He said "IF" I speak the tongue of angels of men

The greek word is.

ἐάν
a conditional particle (derived fr. εἰ ἄν), which makes reference to time and to experience, introducing something future, but not determining, before the event, whether it is certainly to take place; if, in case

Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Being Grimm's Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (162). New York: Harper & Brothers.

Paul was making a statement of fact. Even IF he spoke on the tongue of angels. If he did not have love, he was like a cymbal or brass instrument which was making noise, and not music. It would be worthless.

This is much different than claiming to speaking this way!

Some people may just never get it.
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Absolutely correct EG. Paul is simply saying that IF we could do these things but still didn't show love, then they would mean nothing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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LOVE YOU EG.

zoney

if i spoke the languages of angels and whales and chickens......
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Lol, I reiterate my comment to laodecia. I think when man put scripture in chapter and verse form it was a mistake. most of crazy doctrines probably would never have been given life. It would be hard to pull a sentence out of a paragraph to make a doctrine when is is not separated by a number.

I also think God knew what he was doing when he had the NT authors write the NT in Greek. He knew one day it would translated to english and people would come up with this stuff. And he wanted to make sure we had a way to test it.

ps..love ya to sis!!
 
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You mean in believing and repeating false doctrines of men... You are right i am not ;)
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dude.
if you say so. whatever man.
run along now son. some of us are working.
here's a nickel. don't get hurt.
 
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Absolutely correct EG. Paul is simply saying that IF we could do these things but still didn't show love, then they would mean nothing.
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Yeah. Some people just can't see things because they can't take their blinders off. So any verse that APPEARS to support their belief they jump right on it. Fortunately, those of us who are truly seeking have been given tools to test these things out.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol, I reiterate my comment to laodecia. I think when man put scripture in chapter and verse form it was a mistake. most of crazy doctrines probably would never have been given life. It would be hard to paul a sentence out of a paragraph to make a doctrine when is is not separated by a number.

I also think God knew what he was doing when he had the NT authors write the NT in Greek. He knew one day it would translated to english and people would come up with this stuff. And he wanted to make sure we had a way to test it.

ps..love ya to sis!!
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hey bra
nah that's ok. not a prb. maybe you see it better in the greek.
we were already told why this happens:

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

kisses
zonest.
 
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Absolutely correct EG. Paul is simply saying that IF we could do these things but still didn't show love, then they would mean nothing.
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Absolutely absurd. Paul wouldnt have said it was possible if it wasnt.
 
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