Calvinism Refuted
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I think the Calvinists and the Lutherans are friends. They have the same idea only presented in opposite manner: Glass half full and glass half empty
Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, "while only electing and ordaining some to eternal life". My bottom-line : Both denominations at the end of the day will have " Elected and ordained SOME " ... The theory of "Irresistable Grace"
Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect. But some will choose NOT TO BECOME PART OF THE ELECT .... The principle behind " Perseverance of the Saints "
God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Yet He is an ALL KNOWING GOD and He knows who will NOT. ...... God's unconditional power in "Unconditional Election"
God chooses to elect those who are in Christ. The question is: When did God choose: After you chose to be with Christ or Before you choose to be with Christ? God knows both times being all-knowing.
No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ is, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ . HENCE IT IS NOT IMPORTANT WHO CHOSE WHO. A child who accomplished something great with Dad behind him will claim his victory and the father will just smile and let him be.
And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved??? Calvinism is not DUMB but just another side of the coin or just another perspective. Or at the very least, not stupidity but pure honest ignorance.
So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.[/QUOTE] My bottom-line: In all honesty, I truly believe that anyone who worships Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah, our Saviour, the redeemer, will never be Satanic whatever its theology may be.
Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, "while only electing and ordaining some to eternal life". My bottom-line : Both denominations at the end of the day will have " Elected and ordained SOME " ... The theory of "Irresistable Grace"
Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect. But some will choose NOT TO BECOME PART OF THE ELECT .... The principle behind " Perseverance of the Saints "
God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Yet He is an ALL KNOWING GOD and He knows who will NOT. ...... God's unconditional power in "Unconditional Election"
God chooses to elect those who are in Christ. The question is: When did God choose: After you chose to be with Christ or Before you choose to be with Christ? God knows both times being all-knowing.
No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ is, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ . HENCE IT IS NOT IMPORTANT WHO CHOSE WHO. A child who accomplished something great with Dad behind him will claim his victory and the father will just smile and let him be.
And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved??? Calvinism is not DUMB but just another side of the coin or just another perspective. Or at the very least, not stupidity but pure honest ignorance.
So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.[/QUOTE] My bottom-line: In all honesty, I truly believe that anyone who worships Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah, our Saviour, the redeemer, will never be Satanic whatever its theology may be.
Sola scriptura is not congruent with sola fide. "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." counters sola fide. Sola fide over rides Sola scriptura in Calvinism. In other words Calvinism is an unreasonable self contradictory assumptive construction of salvation. Romans 2:13 must be relegated to being a falsehood for sola fide to stand, but if Romans 2:13 is judged to be false Sola Scriptura is impinged.
Sounds like you may know more about Augustine than I. I remember reading How to Become a Bishop without Being religion, in which it was noted how when disgusting Augustine, someone may try to do the old One-Up-Manship by coming back to your Aú-gusteen with an Uhgús-tin. Then the way you win the One-Up-Manship is by maneuvering your adversary somehow having to use the adjective Augustinian.
I don't think of Calvin as any crackpot, but a really brilliant thinker. But in the final analysis, is not trying to figure out election (without going to pot on it) trying to unscrew the unscrewable?
Now I did meet an extreme Calvinist who was to me a real crackpot who had gone to pot on the subject. He was a Camper predicting May 21. And he did not know he was elect or not. But he was sure that you should not tell anyone to believe in the Lord Jesus, because that has to follow election logically -- so it was futile. I guess for him no one should trust Christ as Savior because that would violate election. But that is not typical Calvinism.
I don't think of Calvin as any crackpot, but a really brilliant thinker. But in the final analysis, is not trying to figure out election (without going to pot on it) trying to unscrew the unscrewable?
Now I did meet an extreme Calvinist who was to me a real crackpot who had gone to pot on the subject. He was a Camper predicting May 21. And he did not know he was elect or not. But he was sure that you should not tell anyone to believe in the Lord Jesus, because that has to follow election logically -- so it was futile. I guess for him no one should trust Christ as Savior because that would violate election. But that is not typical Calvinism.
Who would want it? I suppose someone who believed that the Church was Israel, called to political power, and called to enforce the OT Law.
But on Calvin, if you have proof of it, please post it, indicating the extent.
I think that at the root of Calvin's & the reformers theological errors was the belief that the Church was Israel -- dispensationalism was hardly popular at the time. Now Israel was to burn witches. If the Church is Israel, then surely the Church would wish to rule politically and exterminate idolaters and witches. Perhaps it never dawned on Calvin how the Church was not Israel and destined ever to be a persecuted minority as strangers and pilgrims. Luther published (I think near his death) a terrible attack on Jews calling for their persecution.
I did just get through looking at scholarly paper on religious persecution in the History of the RCC. The murders attributed seemed to be a fantastic number. Early in the Roman "Christian" (false name) Empire, the government turned to persecuting heretics. This is so utterly foreign to the NT. Surely that system is one big anti-Christ.
But on Calvin, if you have proof of it, please post it, indicating the extent.
I think that at the root of Calvin's & the reformers theological errors was the belief that the Church was Israel -- dispensationalism was hardly popular at the time. Now Israel was to burn witches. If the Church is Israel, then surely the Church would wish to rule politically and exterminate idolaters and witches. Perhaps it never dawned on Calvin how the Church was not Israel and destined ever to be a persecuted minority as strangers and pilgrims. Luther published (I think near his death) a terrible attack on Jews calling for their persecution.
I did just get through looking at scholarly paper on religious persecution in the History of the RCC. The murders attributed seemed to be a fantastic number. Early in the Roman "Christian" (false name) Empire, the government turned to persecuting heretics. This is so utterly foreign to the NT. Surely that system is one big anti-Christ.
And note Kerry, that you quote no verse that speaks of eternal life nor being saved. John 15 is about abiding [in fellowship] with Christ. I take such statements as indicative of the chastisement which a believer may receive for being fruitless. And note that it doesn't even refer to active sin; just being fruitless.
To know about eternal security, you must consider passages on eternal life and salvation; not try to infer this or that from other subject passages.
Can you not rest in the Lord, and trust Him with your eternal destiny? Why talk yourself out of eternal life?
eternal life, shall never perish.
To know about eternal security, you must consider passages on eternal life and salvation; not try to infer this or that from other subject passages.
Can you not rest in the Lord, and trust Him with your eternal destiny? Why talk yourself out of eternal life?
eternal life, shall never perish.
And then along came Jonz!
Slow walking Jonz,
Slow talkin Jonz.
Now look Jonz: (LOL)
If you have some document which you claim is the Word of God, other than the Bible bring it forth and prove it is God's Word. I mean bring forth a document which is readily available to men-in-general now. (Don't refer to the Book of Jasher, 'cause we don't gots.) And explain why since the last book of the NT was written, no document written after that has ever been successfully added to the Bible.
Slow walking Jonz,
Slow talkin Jonz.
Now look Jonz: (LOL)
If you have some document which you claim is the Word of God, other than the Bible bring it forth and prove it is God's Word. I mean bring forth a document which is readily available to men-in-general now. (Don't refer to the Book of Jasher, 'cause we don't gots.) And explain why since the last book of the NT was written, no document written after that has ever been successfully added to the Bible.