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Jesus' death was not for just a chosen few..unfortunately my ex believed that it was from the church she began attending (Calvinism) 4 years after we were married mind you, almost overnight I became the spawn of evil..and God would be smiting me for the rest of my days, for any number of reasons, like not always listening to Christian music or TBN every day of my life..she out and told me a was going to hell! I was abused spiritual for the next year and I half, I've always done my best to be a good, honorable man, and it became an immense challenge to endure all this backbiting going on, turns out tho, she somehow was married to me and her previous ex at the same time!? upon learning this, I filed for divorce..God forgive me but that is just as wrong as anything another non-Calvinist could do that Calvinists are so quick to condemn someone else for..it just defies common sense, it's quite the opposite of what Jesus taught, did he preach condemnation? not that im aware of..I'm no thelogan but sometimes I believe its much simpler than we as man have made things be..God offers me a chance everyday to accept and glorify him and that what I do..!
Actually, Moses never touched the water of the Nile. He was in a water proof basket, and he was there to hide, not to proclaim his faith. That is what baptism is a symbol of - we are buried with Christ, cleansed and risen to new life in Him.
I have to admit that is a new one to try and justify infant baptism. Read all the examples of baptism in the New Testament, and you will not find one example of infant baptism. All examples are of repentant, professing a Christians! As for babies, I do not believe God sends them to hell. I think there is a different plan for those who are not old enough to understand the gospel and be a disciple.
"Children that cannot understand sin cannot commit sin. Therefore they do not need baptism and cannot repent of their sins. Therefore unborn children (along with other very young children) gain immediate acceptance into heaven."
Mark 10:14 seems in line with this: "But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."
I have to admit that is a new one to try and justify infant baptism. Read all the examples of baptism in the New Testament, and you will not find one example of infant baptism. All examples are of repentant, professing a Christians! As for babies, I do not believe God sends them to hell. I think there is a different plan for those who are not old enough to understand the gospel and be a disciple.
"Children that cannot understand sin cannot commit sin. Therefore they do not need baptism and cannot repent of their sins. Therefore unborn children (along with other very young children) gain immediate acceptance into heaven."
Mark 10:14 seems in line with this: "But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."
" no one understands; no one seeks for God." Romans 3:11 ESV
"There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." Romans 3:11 KJV
"There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;" Romans 3:11 NASB
The Message says it in an awesome way:
"There’s nobody living right, not even one, nobody who knows the score, nobody alert for God.
They’ve all taken the wrong turn;
they’ve all wandered down blind alleys.
No one’s living right;
I can’t find a single one.
Their throats are gaping graves,
their tongues slick as mudslides.
Every word they speak is tinged with poison.
They open their mouths and pollute the air.
They race for the honor of sinner-of-the-year,
litter the land with heartbreak and ruin,
Don’t know the first thing about living with others.
They never give God the time of day."
It seems to say here that no one seeks God!
As as for your other verse, it is very definite that God does the calling:
"To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Thess 2:14
try and read the Bible for what it says, not picking verses out based on what you believe. That is eisegesis. In the Greek:
eis - in, into. In other words you read into the Bible what you want it to say.
Ex - out out of. You read the Bble and take OUT of it what the Bible says, not what you want it to say.
God calls us, and that call is irresistible! I know that no one but God could turn me around, and make me repent of my wickedness, and then send the Holy Spirit to guide and direct me the rest of my life. I sure could not have been saved on my own!
"There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." Romans 3:11 KJV
"There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;" Romans 3:11 NASB
The Message says it in an awesome way:
"There’s nobody living right, not even one, nobody who knows the score, nobody alert for God.
They’ve all taken the wrong turn;
they’ve all wandered down blind alleys.
No one’s living right;
I can’t find a single one.
Their throats are gaping graves,
their tongues slick as mudslides.
Every word they speak is tinged with poison.
They open their mouths and pollute the air.
They race for the honor of sinner-of-the-year,
litter the land with heartbreak and ruin,
Don’t know the first thing about living with others.
They never give God the time of day."
It seems to say here that no one seeks God!
As as for your other verse, it is very definite that God does the calling:
"To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Thess 2:14
try and read the Bible for what it says, not picking verses out based on what you believe. That is eisegesis. In the Greek:
eis - in, into. In other words you read into the Bible what you want it to say.
Ex - out out of. You read the Bble and take OUT of it what the Bible says, not what you want it to say.
God calls us, and that call is irresistible! I know that no one but God could turn me around, and make me repent of my wickedness, and then send the Holy Spirit to guide and direct me the rest of my life. I sure could not have been saved on my own!
C
I started this huge discussion to see how many where on my side that there is no elect. Salvation is open to anyone and anywhere. I am a true Southern Baptist and do follow my doctrine. Your sitting here challenging me to dig deeper, why don't you dig deeper. Calvinism is nothing but a world if garbage. My name is Catherine have any further questions or wish to know why I believe what I believe I urge you to message Mr, I will be glad to talk to you about it.
Always has been...
Galatians 3:
I marvel that so quickly you are transferred from your calling in favor of Christ, to another good news, [SUP]7[/SUP]which is not another; except there are some disturbing you, and wanting to convert the good news of the Christ. [SUP]8[/SUP]But even if we or an angel out of heaven should announce good news to you beyond which good news we announced to you, let him be anathema! [SUP]9[/SUP]As we described beforehand, and just now again I say, If anyone announces good news to you beyond what you took to yourselves, let him be anathema! [SUP]10[/SUP]
Galatians 3:
I marvel that so quickly you are transferred from your calling in favor of Christ, to another good news, [SUP]7[/SUP]which is not another; except there are some disturbing you, and wanting to convert the good news of the Christ. [SUP]8[/SUP]But even if we or an angel out of heaven should announce good news to you beyond which good news we announced to you, let him be anathema! [SUP]9[/SUP]As we described beforehand, and just now again I say, If anyone announces good news to you beyond what you took to yourselves, let him be anathema! [SUP]10[/SUP]
Like I said, I am not a Calvinist, but pretty close. You need to read your passages in context. And post where they are from. Of course, I have that passages memorized, but not everyone does, and some might read it wondering what you are quoting.
"At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; 26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Matt 11:25-30
As you will notice, this is a prayer to the believers, who only the Father knows, and the Son reveals. Read that through the eyes of the Bible and you will understand that we will have burdens as disciples, but Jesus will help us with those heavy burdens. Nothing to do with Calvinism, Arminianism or infant baptism, for that matter!
"At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; 26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Matt 11:25-30
As you will notice, this is a prayer to the believers, who only the Father knows, and the Son reveals. Read that through the eyes of the Bible and you will understand that we will have burdens as disciples, but Jesus will help us with those heavy burdens. Nothing to do with Calvinism, Arminianism or infant baptism, for that matter!
A
I knew your first response would be " taken out of context", it always is. Let me ask you a question. Why did Jesus initiate the great commission if man has no choice in the matter. What sense would it make for Christ to ask the disciples to do this if man has no control over his destiny? Why all the warnings and demands in the NT if man cannot make his own decisions?
Just more foolishness.
Just more foolishness.
This is just so simple! God uses the WORD to draw people to himself. Therefore, the gospel has to be preached! There is no contradiction here, just a failure to understand the whole Word of God.
"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." Romans 10:14-17
"21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe." 1 Cor. 1:21
Many evangelists used by God were Reformed, like George Whitfield and Charles Spurgeon. The Bible is quite clear we are to preach the Word of God, and "it pleased God through the folly of what we preach, to save those who believe"
No one is saying the gospel does not have to be preached. It MUST be preached, then God saves the person, who believes. We do not save ourselves, because that is a works doctrine, and you can never be quite sure if we believed or obeyed enough, if we do it in our own strength.
As for context, it is one of the most important aspects of a grammatical-historical understanding of hermeneutics. Lack of using context is what leads to false doctrines and heresies. The text must be viewed in light of what is in the preceding and the verses that come after the passage. Then in terms of the chapter, the book, the Covenant and the whole Bible. That is the meaning of context!
Here is a good article for you to start your study of how to read and interpret the Bible. Interpret the Bible in light of the Bible, that is the meaning if context. Not cherry picking a few verses out of context, to arrive at false doctrines!
The Eight Rules of Bible Interpretation
"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." Romans 10:14-17
"21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe." 1 Cor. 1:21
Many evangelists used by God were Reformed, like George Whitfield and Charles Spurgeon. The Bible is quite clear we are to preach the Word of God, and "it pleased God through the folly of what we preach, to save those who believe"
No one is saying the gospel does not have to be preached. It MUST be preached, then God saves the person, who believes. We do not save ourselves, because that is a works doctrine, and you can never be quite sure if we believed or obeyed enough, if we do it in our own strength.
As for context, it is one of the most important aspects of a grammatical-historical understanding of hermeneutics. Lack of using context is what leads to false doctrines and heresies. The text must be viewed in light of what is in the preceding and the verses that come after the passage. Then in terms of the chapter, the book, the Covenant and the whole Bible. That is the meaning of context!
Here is a good article for you to start your study of how to read and interpret the Bible. Interpret the Bible in light of the Bible, that is the meaning if context. Not cherry picking a few verses out of context, to arrive at false doctrines!
The Eight Rules of Bible Interpretation
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After reading this I'm not sure you even know what Calvinism is. Here is the basis of Calvinism:
Total Depravity: babies inherit the sin of Adam and are totally depraved.
Unconditional Election: God predetermined before the world began who was going to be saved and who was going to hell.
J
Limited atonement: only a select few will be chosen. Christ didn't die for all.
Irrestible Grace : man has no control over whether he receives this grace.
Perseverance of the saints: once saved always saved no matter what you do.
None of these are scriptural.
i have been studying the Bible for decades so I am fully aware how to study.
Total Depravity: babies inherit the sin of Adam and are totally depraved.
Unconditional Election: God predetermined before the world began who was going to be saved and who was going to hell.
J
Limited atonement: only a select few will be chosen. Christ didn't die for all.
Irrestible Grace : man has no control over whether he receives this grace.
Perseverance of the saints: once saved always saved no matter what you do.
None of these are scriptural.
i have been studying the Bible for decades so I am fully aware how to study.
The 5 points came after Calvin. It was a reply to the followers of Arminius attack against Calvin's teaching. The attack was called
the Five Articles of the Remonstrance. Five Articles of Remonstrance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the Five Articles of the Remonstrance. Five Articles of Remonstrance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
J
I have talked with several Calvinists who believed exactly those things. One was training to be a minister from Houston Baptist University.
There has been an explosion of Calvinism in Dallas and Houston it seems, in the younger population. At least that has been my experience from the young adult groups I have went to in the past.
There has been an explosion of Calvinism in Dallas and Houston it seems, in the younger population. At least that has been my experience from the young adult groups I have went to in the past.