So please explain where does God's wrath against sin go in the case of the believer? If God did not pour out His wrath against sin on Christ then wouldn't that mean that God has a double standard on His justice? If God does have a double standard on His justice then how can one say He is truly just? It must be forensic to a degree in that God's justice MUST be satisfied against sin. God is 100 % purely just,anything off of that means He is no longer just. So again where did God's righteous wrath against sin in the case of the believer go if it was not poured out on Christ?
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Well it depends what you mean by being "born in sin."
If you mean we were born into a sinful world, a world full of sin, then yes you could say that we are "born in sin."
If you mean that "sin is born IN us" then no we are not. Sin is not a substance or a thing, sin is moral and is rooted in the exercise of the will.
Sin can no more be "born in you" than "virtue be born in you" for both are connected to CHOICE. A sinner is someone who CHOOSES to sin. A virtuous person is someone who CHOOSES to be virtuous.
God has given all men a measure of light, God draws all men by His grace. If we submit to the light and walk in it (ie. BY CHOICE) then righteousness will be manifest in our conduct.
If we reject God and spurn His grace thus walking in discordance with our knowledge of right and wrong, then we are in rebellion and sin.
The Saints of God have forsaken their rebellion and thus yield to the will of God. We DO His will.
Watch my documentary on Original Sin for it goes into the history of where that doctrine actually came from. It is rooted in pagan philosophy, not Christianity.
If you mean we were born into a sinful world, a world full of sin, then yes you could say that we are "born in sin."
If you mean that "sin is born IN us" then no we are not. Sin is not a substance or a thing, sin is moral and is rooted in the exercise of the will.
Sin can no more be "born in you" than "virtue be born in you" for both are connected to CHOICE. A sinner is someone who CHOOSES to sin. A virtuous person is someone who CHOOSES to be virtuous.
God has given all men a measure of light, God draws all men by His grace. If we submit to the light and walk in it (ie. BY CHOICE) then righteousness will be manifest in our conduct.
If we reject God and spurn His grace thus walking in discordance with our knowledge of right and wrong, then we are in rebellion and sin.
The Saints of God have forsaken their rebellion and thus yield to the will of God. We DO His will.
Watch my documentary on Original Sin for it goes into the history of where that doctrine actually came from. It is rooted in pagan philosophy, not Christianity.
Skinski,
Do you understand that justified is a legal term?
Justify - Meaning Merriam Webster
[h=2]jus·ti·fy[/h] \ˈjəs-tə-ˌfī\
jus·ti·fiedjus·ti·fy·ing
Definition of JUSTIFY
transitive verb
1
a : to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable
b (1) : to show to have had a sufficient legal reason (2) : to qualify (oneself) as a surety by taking oath to the ownership of sufficient property
2
a archaic : to administer justice to
b archaic : absolve
c : to judge, regard, or treat as righteous and worthy of salvation
3
a : to space (as lines of text) so that the lines come out even at the margin
b : to make even by justifying <justified margins>
intransitive verb
1
a : to show a sufficient lawful reason for an act done
b : to qualify as bail or surety
2
: to justify lines of text
Romans 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. [SUP]22 [/SUP]This righteousness is given through faith in[SUP][h][/SUP]Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. [SUP]25 [/SUP]God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[SUP][i][/SUP] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— [SUP]26 [/SUP]he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Romans 5
5 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith,we[SUP][a][/SUP] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]2 [/SUP]through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we[SUP][b][/SUP] boast in the hopeof the glory of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Not only so, but we[SUP][c][/SUP] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; [SUP]4 [/SUP]perseverance, character; and character, hope. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! [SUP]11 [/SUP]Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Romans 8
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[SUP][i][/SUP] have been called according to his purpose. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Titus 3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, [SUP]5 [/SUP]he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, [SUP]6 [/SUP]whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, [SUP]7[/SUP]so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. [SUP]8 [/SUP]This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
Justified is a LEGAL term.
Do you understand that justified is a legal term?
Justify - Meaning Merriam Webster
[h=2]jus·ti·fy[/h] \ˈjəs-tə-ˌfī\
jus·ti·fiedjus·ti·fy·ing
Definition of JUSTIFY
transitive verb
1
a : to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable
b (1) : to show to have had a sufficient legal reason (2) : to qualify (oneself) as a surety by taking oath to the ownership of sufficient property
2
a archaic : to administer justice to
b archaic : absolve
c : to judge, regard, or treat as righteous and worthy of salvation
3
a : to space (as lines of text) so that the lines come out even at the margin
b : to make even by justifying <justified margins>
intransitive verb
1
a : to show a sufficient lawful reason for an act done
b : to qualify as bail or surety
2
: to justify lines of text
Romans 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. [SUP]22 [/SUP]This righteousness is given through faith in[SUP][h][/SUP]Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. [SUP]25 [/SUP]God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[SUP][i][/SUP] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— [SUP]26 [/SUP]he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Romans 5
5 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith,we[SUP][a][/SUP] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]2 [/SUP]through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we[SUP][b][/SUP] boast in the hopeof the glory of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Not only so, but we[SUP][c][/SUP] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; [SUP]4 [/SUP]perseverance, character; and character, hope. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! [SUP]11 [/SUP]Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Romans 8
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[SUP][i][/SUP] have been called according to his purpose. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Titus 3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, [SUP]5 [/SUP]he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, [SUP]6 [/SUP]whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, [SUP]7[/SUP]so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. [SUP]8 [/SUP]This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
Justified is a LEGAL term.
Where does the Bible teach that God's justice "must be satisfied" in the sense of it having to be "poured out"? That is a philosophy of man and I understand it can make a lot of sense in the mind, but that does not make it true. It's a nice story but you won't find it in the Bible.
I have read a lot on the the Moral Government and the Satisfaction views of the atonement and "logically" they make a lot of sense. Basically Moral Government teaches that there has to be a counter balance for the forgiveness of sins in order that God's Moral Government be upheld, otherwise His law would be treated lightly (ie. it can be broken and forgiveness easily granted).
Yet the major issue I have is why doesn't the Bible teach this? Instead, the Bible teaches that the blood of Christ "purges the conscience of sin." Thus without Christ offering Himself as a "sin offering" then there would be no way to "expiate sin" and we would still stand before God with an unclean conscience.
If you read all four Gospels there is not a single mention of Jesus death on the cross being some sort of "justice satisfying substitute." Nor is any such contention found in the writings of Paul, Peter, James, John or Jude. Clearly Jesus was set forth as a "propitiation" for us, propitiation literally means "mercy seat." In the Old Testament purification was wrought by the sprinkling of the blood (see Lev 8) and in Hebrews it says this...
Heb_10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
The blood in the Scripture is clearly connected to how our hearts are cleansed of sin when we approach God to be reconciled. All this "satisfaction" stuff totally redirects attention away from what the Bible actually states, and thus shifts focus upon the philosophic reasoning of men. I choose to stick to what the Bible actually teaches and thus reject all the vain allusions of men, ESPECIALLY when I see how these man made doctrine CANCEL OUT what the Bible plainly teaches.
The more people focus on the philosophic reasoning of men as opposed to the plain words of Scripture the more and more they add to their man made doctrines. Thus we end up today with a Gospel where it is taught one can be reconciled to God and yet still be inwardly defiled. It is a complete abomination to the truth. Satan surely is a master deceiver and the Ministry of Reconciliation has been TOTALLY PERVERTED.
It is clearly evident to me that those who claim to have been truly cleansed, and thus walk in purity, are constantly mocked and attacked and condemned as being false teachers. There is nothing new under the sun.
I have read a lot on the the Moral Government and the Satisfaction views of the atonement and "logically" they make a lot of sense. Basically Moral Government teaches that there has to be a counter balance for the forgiveness of sins in order that God's Moral Government be upheld, otherwise His law would be treated lightly (ie. it can be broken and forgiveness easily granted).
Yet the major issue I have is why doesn't the Bible teach this? Instead, the Bible teaches that the blood of Christ "purges the conscience of sin." Thus without Christ offering Himself as a "sin offering" then there would be no way to "expiate sin" and we would still stand before God with an unclean conscience.
If you read all four Gospels there is not a single mention of Jesus death on the cross being some sort of "justice satisfying substitute." Nor is any such contention found in the writings of Paul, Peter, James, John or Jude. Clearly Jesus was set forth as a "propitiation" for us, propitiation literally means "mercy seat." In the Old Testament purification was wrought by the sprinkling of the blood (see Lev 8) and in Hebrews it says this...
Heb_10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
The blood in the Scripture is clearly connected to how our hearts are cleansed of sin when we approach God to be reconciled. All this "satisfaction" stuff totally redirects attention away from what the Bible actually states, and thus shifts focus upon the philosophic reasoning of men. I choose to stick to what the Bible actually teaches and thus reject all the vain allusions of men, ESPECIALLY when I see how these man made doctrine CANCEL OUT what the Bible plainly teaches.
The more people focus on the philosophic reasoning of men as opposed to the plain words of Scripture the more and more they add to their man made doctrines. Thus we end up today with a Gospel where it is taught one can be reconciled to God and yet still be inwardly defiled. It is a complete abomination to the truth. Satan surely is a master deceiver and the Ministry of Reconciliation has been TOTALLY PERVERTED.
It is clearly evident to me that those who claim to have been truly cleansed, and thus walk in purity, are constantly mocked and attacked and condemned as being false teachers. There is nothing new under the sun.
What does that prove?
Not a single scripture you provided says anything about the death of Christ being a wrath substitute for the sinner.
Yes justification is a legal term, God reckons the faithful as righteous and passes over their previous sins. Of course there is a "legal" aspect to it. Yet the legal aspect has NOTHING to do with Penal Substitition which is a 400 year old doctrine INVENTED by the Reformers MANY OF WHOM WERE LAWYERS who added a "judicial punishment" aspect to the Satisfaction model first developed by Anselm of Cantebury. That is the true history and anyone can look it up.
Penal Substitution was never taught until the Reformation. Not only was it never taught but the premise of Penal Substitution completely perverts what the Bible actually teaches about the forgiveness of sins and justification. Instead of bringing people to a genuine encounter with God whereby they are redeemed from all iniquity and made pure, instead of that, it leaves them inwardly defiled, carnal and sold under sin with a NOTION that are saved because they TRUST in this fictional legal exchange.
Penal Substitution is deadly heresy.
Not a single scripture you provided says anything about the death of Christ being a wrath substitute for the sinner.
Yes justification is a legal term, God reckons the faithful as righteous and passes over their previous sins. Of course there is a "legal" aspect to it. Yet the legal aspect has NOTHING to do with Penal Substitition which is a 400 year old doctrine INVENTED by the Reformers MANY OF WHOM WERE LAWYERS who added a "judicial punishment" aspect to the Satisfaction model first developed by Anselm of Cantebury. That is the true history and anyone can look it up.
Penal Substitution was never taught until the Reformation. Not only was it never taught but the premise of Penal Substitution completely perverts what the Bible actually teaches about the forgiveness of sins and justification. Instead of bringing people to a genuine encounter with God whereby they are redeemed from all iniquity and made pure, instead of that, it leaves them inwardly defiled, carnal and sold under sin with a NOTION that are saved because they TRUST in this fictional legal exchange.
Penal Substitution is deadly heresy.
Skinski
Romans 5
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! [SUP]11 [/SUP]Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Romans 5
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! [SUP]11 [/SUP]Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Skinski,
Taking it a bit further
2 Corinthians 5
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 Peter 2
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
How do you get around these verses?
imputed past participle, past tense of im·pute (Verb)
On imputed righteousness
Job 33
[SUP]26 [/SUP]He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness.
Isaiah 54
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 61
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lordhath blessed.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Jeremiah 23
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called,The Lord Our Righteousness.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 33
[SUP]15 [/SUP]In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
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Taking it a bit further
2 Corinthians 5
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 Peter 2
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
How do you get around these verses?
imputed past participle, past tense of im·pute (Verb)
On imputed righteousness
Job 33
[SUP]26 [/SUP]He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness.
Isaiah 54
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 61
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lordhath blessed.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Jeremiah 23
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called,The Lord Our Righteousness.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 33
[SUP]15 [/SUP]In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
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Going on
Romans 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 4
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Romans 4
[SUP]10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Romans 4
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
[SUP]22[/SUP]And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Philippians 3
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
James 2
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Romans 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 4
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Romans 4
[SUP]10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Romans 4
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
[SUP]22[/SUP]And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Philippians 3
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
James 2
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Again that passage says NOTHING about Jesus being a wrath absorbing substitute for the sinner. People have just been told that so many times by the teachers they listen to they blindly believe it and THINK the Bible teaches it.
We are justified by His blood because it is via the blood of Christ that we approach God seeking reconciliation. The blood does this...
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. This verse speaks of the release from the law, Paul parallel's this in Rom 7:4, and the parallel to Heb 9:14 is found in Rom 7:5-6 in that we serve God in the Spirit having been purged of our old sins.
The context applies to both the Jews (under the Mosiac Law + the law of conscience) and the Gentiles (under the law of conscience). It is through the blood of Christ that the purging of our former life of rebellion occurs hence there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. The whole sacrificial system was a type and shadow of the reconciliation process which occurs in the spiritual realm when a repentant sinner approaches God with a true heart seeking a return to favour. Jesus Christ offered Himself on our behalf as the lamb as an example of how we are to approach God. Thus it is through His blood that we approach God through repentance and faith.
It has NOTHING to do with some sort of substitutionary sacrifice in the context of God having to pour out His wrath in order to satisfy divine justice. That is an utter perversion of the truth. Jesus taught no such thing. Jesus preached REPENTANCE and SUBMISSION to God.
The Penal Substitution model UTTERLY DESTROYS the teachings of Jesus. His teachings ARE OVERSHADOWED by the doctrine of Penal Substitution and thus His teachings become subsequent to salvation as opposed to being the MEANS of salvation. This is why Pastors preach good moral lessons each week but seldom if ever WARN OF THE DANGER of not submitting to the teachings of Christ.
Being set free from sin has to do with OBEYING FROM THE HEART THE FORM OF DOCTRINE DELIVERED BY CHRIST (Rom 6:17-18). It has NOTHING to do with some mythical legal transaction made on the cross. Satan has deceived the world and millions upon millions of professing Christian's with an extremely dangerous and soul destroying lie.
I know what I say is in complete opposition with what people have ever heard. I know it completely contradicts what they hear preached each Sunday by their pastors. All I can do is compel people to DIG DEEP and SEEK GOD with EVERYTHING THEY HAVE. We have to LOVE truth.
The Bible warns that God Himself sends STRONG DELUSION to those who do not love the truth. STRONG DELUSION means EFFECTUAL DECEPTION. God sends this delusion to damn people. Do not take such warnings lightly.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The blood of Christ is for this...
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. The sanctified are those who are set apart unto holiness for they obey unto righteousness unto holiness unto eternal life (Rom 6:16-23).
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (Holy Ghost only given to those who OBEY Him (Act 5:32), which gives us an unction (1Joh 2:20), whereby we have the down payment ensuring eternal life (2Cor 1:22) on the condition we endure to the end (Rom 2:7).
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; The circumcision of Christ by which we are buried with Him in baptism (of repentance) and raised up or made alive by the effectual working of the power of God (Col 2:11-12, Act 3:19. Eph 2:5-6).
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Parallels found in Col 2:13, Act 3:19 and 1Joh 1:7.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. ONE OFFERING! ONCE! MEANT TO HAPPEN ONE TIME hence Heb 10:26 and continuing in sin is treating the blood with contempt.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, We approach God in FULL CONFIDENCE.
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; One cannot approach in a NEW AND LIVING way while still in rebellion to God. Hence genuine repentance is MANDATORY. We approach IN CHRIST by RECEIVING the implanted word HAVING FORSAKEN all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness (the rebellion ceased!) (Jam 1:21-22).
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. One cannot draw near to God with a "true heart in full assurance of faith" IF THEY ARE STILL IN REBELLION. Abraham's faith was an OBEDIENT FAITH (Heb 11:8) by which he walked in the steps of faith (Rom 4:12) and did the deeds of faith (Joh 8:39). That is the kind of faith that God reckons as righteous (Rom 8:5).
There is no possible way that one can have their heart sprinkled from an evil conscience when they are still SET ON DOING evil. The "doing of evil" is purged in repentance. Saints are not sinners. They may not be perfect in knowledge and are thus susceptible to miss the mark through ignorance but the rebellion to God has ceased!
This Penal Substitution doctrine is PURE DECEPTION. It was INVENTED 400 years ago by the Reformers.
Penal substitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Penal Substitution was an adaption of Anselm's 11th Century Satisfaction Model.
Satisfaction theory of atonement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Reformers ADDED a judicial punishment aspect to the Satisfaction Model and thus "justification" and the "forgiveness of sin" is premised on the occurrence of the Penal exchange taking place. Thus the Reformers teach that an individual is saved by TRUSTING in this exchange and they often call it the "Finished Work of Christ."
The true Finished Work of Christ (ie. It is finished) is the SIN OFFERING by which the DEATH OF THE TESTATOR occurred bringing into being the NEW COVENANT by which we approach God in a NEW AND LIVING WAY (through repentance and faith DIRECTLY) instead of through the old sacrificial system and having to abide by the laws of Moses.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
We are the temple now and God resides IN us. Under the Old Covenant, even though it was still by faith, it was external. Now it is PURELY OF THE HEART. Hence Jesus came to...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
HEART PURITY!
The blood of Christ PURIFIES US.
The modern false Gospel does not teach that. Everything is forensic in some imaginary realm. It is all positional. Thus the "saved" under the modern false gospel remain defiled inwardly. The Pharisees were defiled within due to their false doctrine and so are modern professing Christian's, due to their doctrine. It is the same deception in new clothes.
Satan is a master theologian and he has perverted the entire Gospel message in such a way that people can still preach Jesus Christ and Christ crucified, uphold Jesus as the Son of God, God in the flesh, and yet teach and ENTIRELY different message.
Those whom are deceived are in darkness and cannot comprehend the light and thus they SCORN those who preach PURITY just as the Pharisees SCORNED Jesus and His followers. All the while THINKING they are in the service of God.
Don't be deceived! I beg you.
We are justified by His blood because it is via the blood of Christ that we approach God seeking reconciliation. The blood does this...
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. This verse speaks of the release from the law, Paul parallel's this in Rom 7:4, and the parallel to Heb 9:14 is found in Rom 7:5-6 in that we serve God in the Spirit having been purged of our old sins.
The context applies to both the Jews (under the Mosiac Law + the law of conscience) and the Gentiles (under the law of conscience). It is through the blood of Christ that the purging of our former life of rebellion occurs hence there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. The whole sacrificial system was a type and shadow of the reconciliation process which occurs in the spiritual realm when a repentant sinner approaches God with a true heart seeking a return to favour. Jesus Christ offered Himself on our behalf as the lamb as an example of how we are to approach God. Thus it is through His blood that we approach God through repentance and faith.
It has NOTHING to do with some sort of substitutionary sacrifice in the context of God having to pour out His wrath in order to satisfy divine justice. That is an utter perversion of the truth. Jesus taught no such thing. Jesus preached REPENTANCE and SUBMISSION to God.
The Penal Substitution model UTTERLY DESTROYS the teachings of Jesus. His teachings ARE OVERSHADOWED by the doctrine of Penal Substitution and thus His teachings become subsequent to salvation as opposed to being the MEANS of salvation. This is why Pastors preach good moral lessons each week but seldom if ever WARN OF THE DANGER of not submitting to the teachings of Christ.
Being set free from sin has to do with OBEYING FROM THE HEART THE FORM OF DOCTRINE DELIVERED BY CHRIST (Rom 6:17-18). It has NOTHING to do with some mythical legal transaction made on the cross. Satan has deceived the world and millions upon millions of professing Christian's with an extremely dangerous and soul destroying lie.
I know what I say is in complete opposition with what people have ever heard. I know it completely contradicts what they hear preached each Sunday by their pastors. All I can do is compel people to DIG DEEP and SEEK GOD with EVERYTHING THEY HAVE. We have to LOVE truth.
The Bible warns that God Himself sends STRONG DELUSION to those who do not love the truth. STRONG DELUSION means EFFECTUAL DECEPTION. God sends this delusion to damn people. Do not take such warnings lightly.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The blood of Christ is for this...
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. The sanctified are those who are set apart unto holiness for they obey unto righteousness unto holiness unto eternal life (Rom 6:16-23).
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (Holy Ghost only given to those who OBEY Him (Act 5:32), which gives us an unction (1Joh 2:20), whereby we have the down payment ensuring eternal life (2Cor 1:22) on the condition we endure to the end (Rom 2:7).
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; The circumcision of Christ by which we are buried with Him in baptism (of repentance) and raised up or made alive by the effectual working of the power of God (Col 2:11-12, Act 3:19. Eph 2:5-6).
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Parallels found in Col 2:13, Act 3:19 and 1Joh 1:7.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. ONE OFFERING! ONCE! MEANT TO HAPPEN ONE TIME hence Heb 10:26 and continuing in sin is treating the blood with contempt.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, We approach God in FULL CONFIDENCE.
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; One cannot approach in a NEW AND LIVING way while still in rebellion to God. Hence genuine repentance is MANDATORY. We approach IN CHRIST by RECEIVING the implanted word HAVING FORSAKEN all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness (the rebellion ceased!) (Jam 1:21-22).
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. One cannot draw near to God with a "true heart in full assurance of faith" IF THEY ARE STILL IN REBELLION. Abraham's faith was an OBEDIENT FAITH (Heb 11:8) by which he walked in the steps of faith (Rom 4:12) and did the deeds of faith (Joh 8:39). That is the kind of faith that God reckons as righteous (Rom 8:5).
There is no possible way that one can have their heart sprinkled from an evil conscience when they are still SET ON DOING evil. The "doing of evil" is purged in repentance. Saints are not sinners. They may not be perfect in knowledge and are thus susceptible to miss the mark through ignorance but the rebellion to God has ceased!
This Penal Substitution doctrine is PURE DECEPTION. It was INVENTED 400 years ago by the Reformers.
Penal substitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Penal Substitution was an adaption of Anselm's 11th Century Satisfaction Model.
Satisfaction theory of atonement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Reformers ADDED a judicial punishment aspect to the Satisfaction Model and thus "justification" and the "forgiveness of sin" is premised on the occurrence of the Penal exchange taking place. Thus the Reformers teach that an individual is saved by TRUSTING in this exchange and they often call it the "Finished Work of Christ."
The true Finished Work of Christ (ie. It is finished) is the SIN OFFERING by which the DEATH OF THE TESTATOR occurred bringing into being the NEW COVENANT by which we approach God in a NEW AND LIVING WAY (through repentance and faith DIRECTLY) instead of through the old sacrificial system and having to abide by the laws of Moses.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
We are the temple now and God resides IN us. Under the Old Covenant, even though it was still by faith, it was external. Now it is PURELY OF THE HEART. Hence Jesus came to...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
HEART PURITY!
The blood of Christ PURIFIES US.
The modern false Gospel does not teach that. Everything is forensic in some imaginary realm. It is all positional. Thus the "saved" under the modern false gospel remain defiled inwardly. The Pharisees were defiled within due to their false doctrine and so are modern professing Christian's, due to their doctrine. It is the same deception in new clothes.
Satan is a master theologian and he has perverted the entire Gospel message in such a way that people can still preach Jesus Christ and Christ crucified, uphold Jesus as the Son of God, God in the flesh, and yet teach and ENTIRELY different message.
Those whom are deceived are in darkness and cannot comprehend the light and thus they SCORN those who preach PURITY just as the Pharisees SCORNED Jesus and His followers. All the while THINKING they are in the service of God.
Don't be deceived! I beg you.
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Forensic or Positional righteousness is a MYTH, it is a FABLE concocted in the minds of evil men under the sway of the evil one.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
No, Calvinism is not Biblical. It is a dangerous heresy. The root of Calvinism is that God has deliberately predestined the majority of his creation to hell and that Christ only died for a very small percentage. The verses that Calvinists use to support this heresy are always ripped out of context and distorted. Sadly, the heresy of Calvinism is spreading.
By the way, Dr. James White may be an intelligent man, but he's dead wrong about Calvinism.
By the way, Dr. James White may be an intelligent man, but he's dead wrong about Calvinism.
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Well can I remember the manner in which I learned the doctrines of grace in a single instant. Born, as all of us are by
nature, an Arminian, I still believed the old things I had heard continually from the pulpit, and did not see the grace of God. When I was coming to Christ, I thought I was doing it all myself, and though I sought the Lord earnestly, I had no idea the Lord was seeking me. I do not think the young convert is at first aware of this. I can recall the very day and hour when first I received those truths in my own soul—when they were, as John Bunyan says, burnt into my heart as with a hot iron, and I can recollect how I felt that I had grown on a sudden from a babe into a man—that I had made progress in Scriptural knowledge, through having found, once for all, the clue to the truth of God. One week-night, when I was sitting in the house of God, I was not thinking much about the preacher's sermon, for I did not believe it. The thought struck me, How did you come to be a Christian? I sought the Lord. But how did you come to seek the Lord? The truth flashed across my mind in a moment—I should not have sought Him unless there had been some previous influence in my mind to make me seek Him. I prayed, thought I, but then I asked myself, How came I to pray? I was induced to pray by reading the Scriptures. How came I to read the Scriptures? I did read them, but what led me to do so? Then, in a moment, I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith, and so the whole doctrine of grace opened up to me, and from that doctrine I have not departed to this day, and I desire to make this my constant confession, "I ascribe my change wholly to God."
I once attended a service where the text happened to be, "He shall choose our inheritance for us;" and the good man who occupied
the pulpit was more than a little of an Arminian. Therefore, when he commenced, he said, "This passage refers entirely to our temporal inheritance, it has nothing whatever to do with our everlasting destiny, for," said he, "we do not want Christ to choose for us in the matter of Heaven or hell. It is so plain and easy, that every man who has a grain of common sense will choose Heaven, and any person would know better than to choose hell. We have no need of any superior intelligence, or any greater Being, to choose Heaven or hell for us. It is left to our own free-will, and we have enough wisdom given us, sufficiently correct means to judge for ourselves," and therefore, as he very logically inferred, there was no necessity for Jesus Christ, or anyone, to make a choice for us. We could choose the inheritance for ourselves without any assistance. "Ah!" I thought, "but, my good brother, it may be very true that we could, but I think we should want something more than common sense before we should choose aright."(A Defense of Calvinism)
nature, an Arminian, I still believed the old things I had heard continually from the pulpit, and did not see the grace of God. When I was coming to Christ, I thought I was doing it all myself, and though I sought the Lord earnestly, I had no idea the Lord was seeking me. I do not think the young convert is at first aware of this. I can recall the very day and hour when first I received those truths in my own soul—when they were, as John Bunyan says, burnt into my heart as with a hot iron, and I can recollect how I felt that I had grown on a sudden from a babe into a man—that I had made progress in Scriptural knowledge, through having found, once for all, the clue to the truth of God. One week-night, when I was sitting in the house of God, I was not thinking much about the preacher's sermon, for I did not believe it. The thought struck me, How did you come to be a Christian? I sought the Lord. But how did you come to seek the Lord? The truth flashed across my mind in a moment—I should not have sought Him unless there had been some previous influence in my mind to make me seek Him. I prayed, thought I, but then I asked myself, How came I to pray? I was induced to pray by reading the Scriptures. How came I to read the Scriptures? I did read them, but what led me to do so? Then, in a moment, I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith, and so the whole doctrine of grace opened up to me, and from that doctrine I have not departed to this day, and I desire to make this my constant confession, "I ascribe my change wholly to God."
I once attended a service where the text happened to be, "He shall choose our inheritance for us;" and the good man who occupied
the pulpit was more than a little of an Arminian. Therefore, when he commenced, he said, "This passage refers entirely to our temporal inheritance, it has nothing whatever to do with our everlasting destiny, for," said he, "we do not want Christ to choose for us in the matter of Heaven or hell. It is so plain and easy, that every man who has a grain of common sense will choose Heaven, and any person would know better than to choose hell. We have no need of any superior intelligence, or any greater Being, to choose Heaven or hell for us. It is left to our own free-will, and we have enough wisdom given us, sufficiently correct means to judge for ourselves," and therefore, as he very logically inferred, there was no necessity for Jesus Christ, or anyone, to make a choice for us. We could choose the inheritance for ourselves without any assistance. "Ah!" I thought, "but, my good brother, it may be very true that we could, but I think we should want something more than common sense before we should choose aright."(A Defense of Calvinism)
Oh the heresy!
I. First, then, to begin by explanation, let us EXPOUND THIS DOCTRINE—the doctrine that salvation is of the Lord, or of Jehovah. We are to understand by this, that the whole of the work whereby men are saved from their natural estate of sin and ruin, and are translated into the kingdom of God and made heirs of eternal happiness, is of God, and of him only. "Salvation is of the Lord."
To begin, then, at the beginning, the plan of salvation is entirely of God. No human intellect and no created intelligence assisted God in the planning of salvation; he contrived the way, even as he himself carried it out. The plan of salvation was devised before the existence of angels. Before the day-star flung its ray across the darkness, when as yet the unnavigated ether had not been fanned by the wing of seraph, and when the solemnity of silence had never been disturbed by the song of angel, God had devised a way whereby he might save man, whom he foresaw would fall. He did not create angels to consult with them; no, of himself he did it. We might truly ask the question, "With whom took he counsel? Who instructed him, when be planned the great architecture of the temple of mercy? With whom took he counsel when he digged the deeps of love, that out of them there might well up springs of salvation? Who aided him?" None. He himself, alone, did it. In fact, if angels had then been in existence, they could not have assisted God; for I can well suppose that if a solemn conclave of those spirits had been held, if God had put to them this question, "Man will rebel; I declare I will punish; my justice, inflexible and severe, demands that I should do so; but yet I intend to have mercy;" if he had put the question to the celestial squadrons of mighty ones, "How can those things be? How can justice have its demands fulfilled, and how can mercy reign?" the angels would have sat in silence until now; they could not have dictated the plan; it would have surpassed angelic intellect to have conceived the way whereby righteousness and peace should meet together, and judgment and mercy should kiss each other. God devised it, because without God it could not have been devised. It is a plan too splendid to have been the product of any mind except of that mind which afterward carried it out. "Salvation" is older than creation; it is "of the Lord."(Salvation of the Lord)
If you're opposed to a salvation that is of the Lord, then suit yourself.To begin, then, at the beginning, the plan of salvation is entirely of God. No human intellect and no created intelligence assisted God in the planning of salvation; he contrived the way, even as he himself carried it out. The plan of salvation was devised before the existence of angels. Before the day-star flung its ray across the darkness, when as yet the unnavigated ether had not been fanned by the wing of seraph, and when the solemnity of silence had never been disturbed by the song of angel, God had devised a way whereby he might save man, whom he foresaw would fall. He did not create angels to consult with them; no, of himself he did it. We might truly ask the question, "With whom took he counsel? Who instructed him, when be planned the great architecture of the temple of mercy? With whom took he counsel when he digged the deeps of love, that out of them there might well up springs of salvation? Who aided him?" None. He himself, alone, did it. In fact, if angels had then been in existence, they could not have assisted God; for I can well suppose that if a solemn conclave of those spirits had been held, if God had put to them this question, "Man will rebel; I declare I will punish; my justice, inflexible and severe, demands that I should do so; but yet I intend to have mercy;" if he had put the question to the celestial squadrons of mighty ones, "How can those things be? How can justice have its demands fulfilled, and how can mercy reign?" the angels would have sat in silence until now; they could not have dictated the plan; it would have surpassed angelic intellect to have conceived the way whereby righteousness and peace should meet together, and judgment and mercy should kiss each other. God devised it, because without God it could not have been devised. It is a plan too splendid to have been the product of any mind except of that mind which afterward carried it out. "Salvation" is older than creation; it is "of the Lord."(Salvation of the Lord)
No, the root of Calvinism is first and foremost Sola Scriptura along with the other four Solas. Those are the foundations, the building blocks upon which the pillars of Calvinism stand. The pillars of course being doctrines such as TULIP, the sovereignty of God, the attributes of God, etc etc.
Got an example? Also, if you disagree with a persons theology, is it because they take something out of context or do they take it out of context by virtue of disagreeing with you? The whole "LOL WRONG CONTEXT" bludgeon is starting to get old. Say it, but justify the accusation rather than leaving it like an unflushed stool.
I know, isn't it glorious?
Praise be to the author and finisher of our faith!
Hebrews 12:2
fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set
before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right
hand of the throne of God
He is the one who gives us life! For we were dead in our transgressions, seeking nothing but evil.
Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ
(by grace you have been saved),
O rly?
John 5:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
Jeremiah 13:23 (ESV)
23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin
or the leopard his spots?
Then also you can do good
who are accustomed to do evil.
It's after Easter sunday y'all. 
H
ow does a man become born again? Is it a decision, a choice to follow God that makes a man born-again?
How does a man become born again? Is it a decision, a choice to follow God that makes a man born-again?
Your question is premised on a fallacy.
The Prodigal Son CHOSE to forsake the pig pen and seek reconciliation with his father. This exercise of the will did not MAKE him reconciled. It was merely a NECESSARY CONDITION that had to be met BEFORE the father would restore him.
It is God that does the "raising up," "the quickening," "the refreshing," "brings us from darkness to light." Yet it is our response to the initial call (Joh 1:9, Tit 2:11-12) to which God reacts to.
If the Prodigal Son had of remained stubborn in his rebellion and thus chosen to remain in the pig pen refusing to confess and forsake his sin then there would have been no restoration.
Thus to ask "is it a choice or a decision to follow God that MAKES man born again" is a fallacy, especially when you ask that question in the context of "I should not have sought Him unless there had been some previous influence in my mind to make me seek Him."
God does not MAKE someone seek Him for God has given all men the agency of free will. If free will did not exist then man is simply not responsible for his actions but is instead a puppet on a string.
Reformed Theology treats men as puppets and God as a puppeteer. All the fluff they speak about man being "responsible" is fluff for it contradicts the very basis of reformed theology.
Reformed theology teaches that sinners sin by necessity due to their inborn nature. Thus sinners have been disabled from birth as to the virtuous choice and thus God has to offset the disability of the elect in order that they turn to God.
The whole system is an intellectual exercise in foolishness.
The message of the scripture is simple...
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
2Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.