I guess there are differing views on this as well, amileanists will say all of us are God's chosen people under the new covenant and I agree with that, what I'm not too sure about is how God treats the old covenant with Israel, some people say it's now covered in the new covenant, other people say it still stands, yet I'm not too sure myself.
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I agree with all of TULIP.
As far as eschatology, I haven't got a view. Someone out of one of the many camps is gonna be right though. I'll just wait and see which one
If anything, I'm a partial preterist.
I am a cessationist which he has an opposing view on. I haven't seen ample evidence to believe otherwise, but I don't discount the fact that God may choose in certain circumstances to use a revelatory gift, but if it happens it would be extremely rare. I know that scripture teaches that in these last days God has spoken through his Son and we know start to finish, so the canon is sealed.
As far as eschatology, I haven't got a view. Someone out of one of the many camps is gonna be right though. I'll just wait and see which one
If anything, I'm a partial preterist.
I am a cessationist which he has an opposing view on. I haven't seen ample evidence to believe otherwise, but I don't discount the fact that God may choose in certain circumstances to use a revelatory gift, but if it happens it would be extremely rare. I know that scripture teaches that in these last days God has spoken through his Son and we know start to finish, so the canon is sealed.
About gifts, I can't deny that God still heals today and does supernatural things, but also find hard to believe what op called the free for all in some charismatic churches, as far as revelation goes, if any new revelation isn't conformed to scripture then we must disregard it, scripture says the testimony of Christ is the spirit of prophecy so I go by that.
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Just think about it, God created things knowing the result, He's the creator, if He wanted another result He would create things differently, at the same time He created the world knowing fully well what would have happened, you can't say that's not His sovereign will, if He looked down the quarters of time and saw something He didn't like, He surely would've created things differently.
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Seems more like another thread in a style "calvinists vs arminians" rather than "calvinists, I am asking"
No,not at all.I have been very honest that I do not agree with Calvinists and I will not change my mind. But have learned a lot and Im still on the first page of the thread asking questions. So please dont make this thread something it isn't. Ive given my stand openly but I believe I have misunderstandings about Calvinism,which I am clearing up now. Though I dont agree Im not one to say "well they believe so and so" if they dont. Ive had many people say "you're Pentecost,you believe you need to speak in tongues to be saved!" Well I dont believe that,that is holiness Pentecostals. So I am asking and getting answers. And so far it has been a peaceful thread and I mean to keep it that way.
The thing about revelation, if it conforms to scripture it isn't new. Everything has been given pertaining to life and godliness already. As far as healing, this is the type of gift I would say could happen, but in extremely rare circumstances. I mean immediate miraculous healing. I believe God still heals providentially. My issue with gifts like these I think, is that miracles weren't as commonplace as people think in the bible. They were always at specific times, the power given only to specific people, and for specific circumstances. They generally were given to those who spoke on behalf of God to prove God had spoken through them. I think prophecy has ended and all the gifts that accompanied it. Prophecies today look like nothing more than fortune telling.
One thing I think we have to be careful of today is that we have all these churches claiming to be operating in the gifts of the Spirit but they resemble eastern mysticism and other pagan religions more than their biblical counterpart. That should be concerning. Most people operating in the so-called gifts today can't even tell you how they know it's from God or not other than by some emotional response like it made them happy or feel good.
One thing I think we have to be careful of today is that we have all these churches claiming to be operating in the gifts of the Spirit but they resemble eastern mysticism and other pagan religions more than their biblical counterpart. That should be concerning. Most people operating in the so-called gifts today can't even tell you how they know it's from God or not other than by some emotional response like it made them happy or feel good.
I think that Calvinists believe 5 points of Calvinism. Then the general issues of protestantism (like 5 solas).
But the rest (about Israel, creation/evolution, eschatology, tongues etc) is not the part of Calvinism and so various Calvinists will have different opinions on this...the same with Arminians.
If they were following Calvin more generally, they would have his opinions on these issues.
But as we saw, most Calvinists on this forum do not identify themselves with Calvin, but with 5 points only. Which makes them very vary in another theological topics.
But the rest (about Israel, creation/evolution, eschatology, tongues etc) is not the part of Calvinism and so various Calvinists will have different opinions on this...the same with Arminians.
If they were following Calvin more generally, they would have his opinions on these issues.
But as we saw, most Calvinists on this forum do not identify themselves with Calvin, but with 5 points only. Which makes them very vary in another theological topics.
It was Rome that kicked him out not him seeking to leave. Luther could find no peace and no sense of justification in the rites and rituals of Rome so he was forced to leave. Fasting and self denial wrought no peace in his heart so it became clear to Luther that grace was the only answer to justification.
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