Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith

[DevotiontoBible]

Remember Nehemiah6, when Scripture uses the word "all" it is referring to all the elect, not all people.

Or maybe it's referring to all little green men from Mars.

 

[UnderGrace]

But then how could we know this? It would appear it takes some type of specialized study of scripture

And the whole world is not the whole world, either!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Actually it it set it in order, who are the just? They are the justified and they shall live by faith and Jesus is the one that placed the new birth before faith, John 3:3 “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Paul also teaches the same Ephesians 2:4-5 “But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),”

Why did He make us alive when we were dead in tespasses, because of the great love with which He loved us and He is rich in mercy towards those He loves. He demonstrated His love towards the world by giving up His only Son, bit shows His love towards us by making us alive while we are dead in trespasses and cannot see the kingdom of God. He opens the minds that the god of this world has blinded and makes spiritually dead people that cannot understand spiritual things or His kingdom, makes them alive so they can see the kingdom of God. Once they see the kingdom they can be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God.

I Corinthians 2:14 “But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

II Corinthians 4:3-4 “And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”

The pronoun here "us" is not speaking of the world, but it is speaking of His people/sheep/Church/elect. Because of that great love of which He loved us, He made us alive so that Ephesians 2:6-7 “6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.”

Showing His “immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us” since He loves us with a great love now we can see the kingdom be born again so that we can enter the kingdom, but while we are living on earth we are justified and live by faith, that is where verses 8-9 are “8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

We are saved or justified by grace, being justified we live as Habakkuk said in 2:4 by faith as both Habakkuk and Paul says here is Ephesinas 2:8 and Romans 1:17, Galatians 2:16, 3:11-12 and Hebrews 10:38. The just or justified shall live by/in/through faith and what is even more beautiful is He gives us that faith. Romans 12:3 “For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.”

Romamns 12:3 “For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.”

That great love with which He has loved us has the “immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us” that is a beautiful thing that the Lord of the universe loves us to the point that He makes us alive to see/understand/discern the kingdom of God that we can be born again to enter the kingdom of God, Hallelujah praise the Lord of all creation!!!

This is truly astounding johnny. What a post!!

 

[Magenta]

But then how could we know this? It would appear it takes some type of specialized study of scripture

They have a special cannon

 

[Magenta]

Actually it it set it in order, who are the just? They are the justified and they shall live by faith and Jesus is the one that placed the new birth before faith, John 3:3 “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Paul also teaches the same Ephesians 2:4-5 “But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),”

Why did He make us alive when we were dead in tespasses, because of the great love with which He loved us and He is rich in mercy towards those He loves. He demonstrated His love towards the world by giving up His only Son, bit shows His love towards us by making us alive while we are dead in trespasses and cannot see the kingdom of God. He opens the minds that the god of this world has blinded and makes spiritually dead people that cannot understand spiritual things or His kingdom, makes them alive so they can see the kingdom of God. Once they see the kingdom they can be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God.

I notice you contradicted yourself... and Jesus.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Are we allowed to? I thought all we could do was read 'Institutes' and argue with dumb Arminians.

You ever wonder why people hate Calvins theology so much? Its not because it is un-biblical. It is because it takes power away from men and gives it back to God where it truly belongs.

Oh!!!
Bravo!
What a splendid post grandpa.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Are we allowed to? I thought all we could do was read 'Institutes' and argue with dumb Arminians.

You ever wonder why people hate Calvins theology so much? Its not because it is un-biblical. It is because it takes power away from men and gives it back to God where it truly belongs.

Which God is that, the one who wills that men disobey Him? Oh, that's Satan.

 

[posthuman]

Which God is that, the one who wills that men disobey Him? Oh, that's Satan.

Found in your favourite chapter of Romans is a little saying that goes like this:

"Who are you, oh man, to answer back to God?"

That's the Apostles reply to the objection, how can He judge us then, for who van resist His will?

((just FYI))

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Found in your favourite chapter of Romans is a little saying that goes like this:

"Who are you, oh man, to answer back to God?"

That's the Apostles reply to the objection, how can judge us then, for who van resist His will?

So you believe God wills for man to disobey Him? That's Satan.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

and I will say again, NO. THEY WERE NOT SAVED.

Are you telling me you know NO people who say they believe in God, but believe. Jesus died on the cross. But want nothign to do with him because they do not have faith in him?

I don't even know what's being said any more EG...
I mean, it happened with me in an instant, which you find hard to believe, given that out of hundreds of people you've met, no one was ever saved in an instant but had to study for years and years first.

Well, that's not how it happened with me. In fact, without receiving the Spirit, those would be wasted years of study because you can't understand what you read without the Spirit.

We read of 5000 people saved in one day in the NT. It didn't take years of study for them. It took less than a day. I mean, there is no biblical example of men studying for years before God could save them. And yet you find it hard to believe that I didn't study for years before God saved me...its so odd to me.

 

[preacher4truth]

Found in your favourite chapter of Romans is a little saying that goes like this:

"Who are you, oh man, to answer back to God?"

That's the Apostles reply to the objection, how can He judge us then, for who van resist His will?

((just FYI))

That's just plain brilliant bro. Spot on!

 

[stonesoffire]

I think Bone's could be forgiven for making some provisions for the flesh -------->

How do you come up with these quips? Lol

 

[DevotiontoBible]

That's just plain brilliant bro. Spot on!

A Satanic God who wills that men disobey him is brilliant? Go figure.

 

[Iconoclast]

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Remember Nehemiah6, when Scripture uses the word "all" it is referring to all the elect, not all people.

All in Adam die....

All in Christ are made alive....

two different things

 

[Angela53510]

I said the gift is referring to Salvation so why are you attacking me?

Because you said the Greek says it, and you don’t know Greek! I’m pretty tired of all the posers pretending they know Greek.

And yes, I should have agreed with you in the end, that it is a gift, but the order is not given as faith then salvation, in these verses, but rather coming at the same time, as every Reformed person here has said.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You're backwards! You've got horse-cart.

It's not that man has the capability to reject God. All men DO reject God.
John 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.


What changes that? God!!!
John 3:21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

Horse-cart!

Most excellent!!

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Because you said the Greek says it, and you don’t know Greek! I’m pretty tired of all the posers pretending they know Greek.

And yes, I should have agreed with you in the end, that it is a gift, but the order is not given as faith then salvation, in these verses, but rather coming at the same time, as every Reformed person here has said.

I was correct then about the Greek grammatical meaning of that verse as it should be understood in English. So, what is your problem?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

If I do not have faith, I am not saved, Because I have rejected the gospel of christ, and because of unbelief, I am condemned, period. End of story

And now here...you seem to be using faith and belief synonymously, even though you say you think they are not the same thing and that faith only comes after years of study for you and hundreds you have met...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I never stated Faith was not Gods gift.

If people would stop and actually listen to others, they would have known this, and this would not be such a surprise.


yet that gift is offered to ALL MEN, not just the few men as some seem to want to say.

So why doesn't the gift of faith that God gives to all men across the board not save all of them?

 

[posthuman]

A Satanic God who wills that men disobey him is brilliant? Go figure.

Dude you may want to have a look at some of the other chapters in Romans before you continue calling God evil.

Here for example:

Romans 11:30-32

For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.



God is brilliant. Man is vain.