Can a child be demon possessed? (Mathew 17:14-21)

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danschance

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This thread is an attempt to discuss a topic that became a tangential issue on another thread. Can children be harrased or even possessed?

One person said this:
The Bible was full of people with medical issues. Like the boy in Matthew 17. It wasn't a demon, it was epilepsy. They just had no idea do to the lack of medical and neurological knowledge so to the people i that time it was a demon. Either way it doesnt matter demon or epilepsy because Jesus still performed a miracle and healed him. But no I dont believe in demonic possession.
Can cases of demon possession in the bible be explained away by a medical issue?

14 And when they came to the crowd, a man came up to him and, kneeling before him, 15 said, “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic and he suffers terribly. For often he falls into the fire, and often into the water. 16 And I brought him to your disciples, and they could not heal him.” 17 And Jesus answered, “O faithless and twisted generation, how long am I to be with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him here to me.” 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him, and the boy was healed instantly. 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?” 20 He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.” Matt 17:14-21
Personaly, I believe what the bible says and everything it says is important.
 
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kenisyes

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The discernment of demon vs. medical issue is extremely difficult.

For that matter, definition of demon is extremely difficult, and may be a prerequisite. I think we may find that in some cases, the Greek word "demonized" may actually include a medical issue.
 

notuptome

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It certainly is possible. You may find it to manifest as a medical issue or it may just show itself for what it is. Haiti is a good place to find demon possession as a common occurrence. Haiti was a country given to and dedicated to satan by the people and its leaders.

For the cause of Christ
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danschance

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Many children today are afraid of the dark and imagine monsters under the bed, etc. Children do have a vivid imagination. I myself recall thinking at the age of 4 or 5 there were evil robots in my closet. Even so, there is a phenomena called "Invisible friend" were children seem to play with a ghost or even become tormented by it. Sometimes children have mentioned the names of dead relatives and can accurately describe them even though they have never seen them alive.

Before I became a christian I was a psychic. A mother contacted me with a problem her 7 year old daughter had. She often talked about a friend called "Zoe" (Z-oh). She described this Zoe as being close to her age, dark hair, wearing a dress with small flowers printed on her dress. Zoe would often become scared and quiet when others were around. The mother became concerned as this Zoe had described herself as being dead and one late night looked into her daughter's room and saw a shadowy figure next to her bed. I only spoke once to this mother and referred her to a woman who was a medium I felt could help her more than I could.

The only other child I had any dealings with as a psychic had a tremendous impact on me. A young mother contacted me about her some odd black out spells she had. She said she would black out then , as she came back to her senses, she would have a terrifying "vision" of her young child, a toddler, dead in a coffin. She was very worried that she might die.

The first reading was all about the mother's past. This is always how it went for me and fake psychics never do this. It always gave me credibility. I accuratly described how she grew up, how she often cried about her alcoholic dad. I even gave her the name and gender of her childhood dog and how it would greet her by having it's paws on top of the gate.

The second reading changed my life. I tried to psychically see if there was an illness with her daughter. I found nothing. I continued to search for a cause in this girl for these visions. Suddenly in a vision, I saw a demon wave his hand in front of me as if to say, "Don't look here". I broke off that vision and continued. I then saw a vision of demons working in this girls life from with in her. From this, I told Tabitha, that her daughter had a demonic issue and perhaps she could see a Catholic priest fro an exorcism.

From that point on, my life became tormented, day and night. The spirits that were around me turned on me. I had uncontrollable visions of angry demons every single time I closed my eyes for more than a split second. Twice I was attacked in a physical way. When I tried to have vision to help others, I would see a demon blocking it. One night I asked a medium for help. She told me "Don't mention the demon's name". Before I could say "I don't know it" The demon spoke it's name three times in a row, in a goat like voice; "Baphomet, Baphomet, Baphomet".

Finally, I took my own advice and went to see a Catholic Priest to see if I could get some help. I ended up becoming a Christian. I did go to a deliverance ministry and they helped me out in tremendous ways. All they false things I had believed evaporated and I felt so ashamed for what I had done as a psychic. Even as I write this, tears still come. I made some amazing friends, most who were also struggling to get free from the demonic.

So can children have a demon? They sure can.
 
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danschance

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It certainly is possible. You may find it to manifest as a medical issue or it may just show itself for what it is. Haiti is a good place to find demon possession as a common occurrence. Haiti was a country given to and dedicated to satan by the people and its leaders.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is a psychologist who worked in a mental hospital. He became convinced that some of his patients had a demonic condition. As a Christian he started to read up on deliverance and has written books on his experiences. His name is Dr. Neil T. Anderson.
 
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richie_2uk

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I don't think they can be possessed or demonised. how ever Movies are to blame that hypes up all the claims. Children can be as evil as adults. and that's all down to their live style and what I mean by that, if a family are into devil worship, or witchcraft. so things of that nature will play a big part in there lives. children can have very vivid nightmares, scary, and in some cases very evil and demonic. again, its what they watch on tv, and movies. I know my 5 year old nephew, he is so fascinated with ware wolve's and horror movies, because his father is into darkness stuff like so. He is only 5 years old, he imitates the noises, and wants to watch horrors all the time. IT don't make him processed, however it makes him vulnerable to the unseen evil spirits.

The Devil can manipulate young children, as its easy target to him, but being demon processed, is all hyped up through movies and TV programs. The Devil is more cunning than that.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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yes it is possible...here is an example from scripture...

mark 7:25-29..."But after hearing of Him, a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit immediately came and fell at His feet. Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. And He was saying to her, 'Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.' But she answered and said to Him, 'Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table feed on the children’s crumbs.' And He said to her, 'Because of this answer go; the demon has gone out of your daughter.' And going back to her home, she found the child lying on the bed, the demon having left."
 

allaboutlove

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Danschane... interestead in knowing more about your experiance of going from a pysic to a christian.. ive never really known a pyscic that i thought was legit but you being a christian now. I trust you are not lying about not being a fake..
 
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nathan3

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-_- " EPILEPTIC " ? How many of you, where able to spot that, or did you just take it & run with it ? -_-

I'm not going to argue but look at the facts you all overlooked below...


They was that passage is written, is basically saying Christ didn't know what He was talking about?

If they say he was possessed he was possessed. When it was a medical issue it was healed. Lets try and take God at His words people... Let's not add something also that is not there



WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY SAY >


Matthew 17

King James Version (KJV)


14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,

15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

18 And Jesus rebuked the """""devil;""""" and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief:for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

What is the word lunatick in the manuscripts say? :

selhniazomai
seleniazomai
sel-ay-nee-ad'-zom-ahee


middle voice or passive from a presumed derivative of selhnh - selene 4582; to be moon-struck, i.e. crazy:--be a lunatic.

selhnh
selene
sel-ay'-nay


from selas (brilliancy; probably akin to the alternate of aireomai - haireomai 138, through the idea of attractiveness); the moon:--moon.

Christ rebuked the devil. Not a epileptic medical condition . If that was the case, Christ would have known that.

And it would have been stated as it does in other places.

Epileptics , that I am aware of, don't intentionally throw themselves in a fire . Epileptics just don't do that. They fall where they're at.

The man said of his son " for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water." That is not the case with epileptics. But it is the case when some one is possessed they loose control control to stop there body in a total different sense As some one is literally controlling their movements in a very deliberate way...

So lets try not to read over any details and maybe even let the Word speak for it's self. Maybe even stop using these new translations for bible study. Seems it lead you in the wrong direction here too..


The Bible says it happens it happens. Evil spirits. correctly translated to attack kids, and adults and possess them. I have witnessed this myself, and the power of Christ name over the evil spirit, even without the possessed person knowing.
Quite obvious and I hope you never have to witness it, unless your familiar with Christ teachings.
 
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danschance

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Danschane... interestead in knowing more about your experiance of going from a pysic to a christian.. ive never really known a pyscic that i thought was legit but you being a christian now. I trust you are not lying about not being a fake..

I appreciate your comments. The majority of Christians that I have told accuse me of being a fake or lying or trying to bring attention to myself, though some believe me. Then I get the type of people I used to hang with accuse me of not being tough enough to handle the spiritual attacks, which all psychics have from time to time. I sometimes say I was a psychic medium because I could "see" of feel spirits around me but I chose to never communicate with them. In the back of my mind, I recalled how it was wrong to communicate with them from what little remained of my Christianity. Somehow I wrongly concluded that being a psychic was ok. I honestly did try to help people, but later I realized that all I did was to get people to embrace the things of satan.

More interesting is what all happened to me going thru the process of deliverance. God helped me through this directly and indirectly. God directly helped me by giving me revelation often from others (word of knowledge) and occasionally directly to me. Indirectly God has helped me by placing certain specialized people in my life and not all of them were Christians.

I made friends with others trying to get free of the demonic. The first demons I cast out were from these friends and often while we were chatting online. We had some wild times, to say the least.
 
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danschance

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-_- " EPILEPTIC " ? How many of you, where able to spot that, or did you just take it & run with it ? -_-

I'm not going to argue but look at the facts you all overlooked below...


They was that passage is written, is basically saying Christ didn't know what He was talking about?

If they say he was possessed he was possessed. When it was a medical issue it was healed. Lets try and take God at His words people... Let's not add something also that is not there



WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY SAY >


Matthew 17

King James Version (KJV)


14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,

15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

18 And Jesus rebuked the """""devil;""""" and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief:for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

What is the word lunatick in the manuscripts say? :

selhniazomai
seleniazomai
sel-ay-nee-ad'-zom-ahee


middle voice or passive from a presumed derivative of selhnh - selene 4582; to be moon-struck, i.e. crazy:--be a lunatic.

selhnh
selene
sel-ay'-nay


from selas (brilliancy; probably akin to the alternate of aireomai - haireomai 138, through the idea of attractiveness); the moon:--moon.

Christ rebuked the devil. Not a epileptic medical condition . If that was the case, Christ would have known that.

And it would have been stated as it does in other places.

Epileptics , that I am aware of, don't intentionally throw themselves in a fire . Epileptics just don't do that. They fall where they're at.

The man said of his son " for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water." That is not the case with epileptics. But it is the case when some one is possessed they loose control control to stop there body in a total different sense As some one is literally controlling their movements in a very deliberate way...

So lets try not to read over any details and maybe even let the Word speak for it's self. Maybe even stop using these new translations for bible study. Seems it lead you in the wrong direction here too..


The Bible says it happens it happens. Evil spirits. correctly translated to attack kids, and adults and possess them. I have witnessed this myself, and the power of Christ name over the evil spirit, even without the possessed person knowing.
Quite obvious and I hope you never have to witness it, unless your familiar with Christ teachings.

I think you have not grasped that this he had epilepsy and a demon. No one here has said epilepsy is a pure demonic issue. It is a physical condition but it may of been exacerbated by a demon. Without more detail who can say? All we know is the boy had epilepsy and a demon.

Here is a story of a boy who has something like epilepsy but is described as being caused by a demon.
 
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nathan3

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I think you have not grasped that this he had epilepsy and a demon.



I'm sorry. But the word epilepsy is not in the Manuscripts from which the Bible is translated. you have a bad translation.

Moon and lunatic I have show you what it actually says in the manuscripts.

It has to do with Satan anytime the moon is mentioned in this way. The devil is even mention by name By Christ.

Epilepsy is written in the manuscripts .. Use a Strong's exhaustive concordance of the Bible to help you with that.

The word is selhniazetai .

check it here Matthew 17: 15

Matthew Chapter 17 - King James Bible With Strong's Dictionary - Bible Software by johnhurt.com
 
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nathan3

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Correction , Epilepsy is NOT written in the manuscripts in those verses. That simply means the old copies handed down to us from generation to generation. What the translators of Bibles must look to.

After you press on the word "selhniazetai ". The meaning will be at the very top of the list.
 
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danschance

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Strong's G4583 - selēniazomai
σεληνιάζομαι
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Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to be moon-struck or lunatic
2) to be epileptic
a) epilepsy being supposed to return and increase with the increase of the moon. This meaning is doubtful as the Greeks knew nothing of epilepsy.






From blueletterbible.com This is the definition of that word. Beyond that, what are we debating?
 
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nathan3

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Strong's G4583 - selēniazomai
σεληνιάζομαι
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selēniazomai

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se-lā-nē-ä'-zo-mī (Key)


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verb


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[TD]Root Word (Etymology)

Middle voice or passive from a presumed derivative of σελήνη (G4582)
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Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to be moon-struck or lunatic
2) to be epileptic
a) epilepsy being supposed to return and increase with the increase of the moon. This meaning is doubtful as the Greeks knew nothing of epilepsy.






From blueletterbible.com This is the definition of that word. Beyond that, what are we debating?
i showed you how to look it up. whatever your looking into is giving you wrong information. What I showed you is from the manuscripts themselves.
 
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megaman125

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Yes, a child can be demon possesed, the Bible even gives cases of that.

I used to have a demon residing in me. Not sure when exactly it took residence, but looking back it was probably somewhere around middle school/early high-school. It was cast out of me in my 4th year of college.
 
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jkalyna

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Yes, a child can be demon possesed, the Bible even gives cases of that.

I used to have a demon residing in me. Not sure when exactly it took residence, but looking back it was probably somewhere around middle school/early high-school. It was cast out of me in my 4th year of college.
I had an experience with a child once who would try to bite me, when I would pray for the child in Sunday school class everytime, and would scream in the church, one day or it took many days, I would pray in Jesus name, and command the evil unclean spirit to come out, the unclean spirits are stubborn and want to take permanent residency in the person, only the name and the power of JESUS Christ will set the captive free, and it did... amen GLory to God..
 
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MaggieMye

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Many children today are afraid of the dark and imagine monsters under the bed, etc. Children do have a vivid imagination. I myself recall thinking at the age of 4 or 5 there were evil robots in my closet. Even so, there is a phenomena called "Invisible friend" persistant 'invisible friends' ARE demons. They come AS friends. Children have a wonderful, God-given ability to both see and hear in the spiritual realm. They come as friends, but have a very dark agenda...and is to kill, steal and destroy...at best in their opinion, the child, but they will settle for steal the child's destiny in the Kingdom of Heaven. were children seem to play with a ghost or even become tormented by it. Sometimes children have mentioned the names of dead relatives and can accurately describe them even though they have never seen them alive.Demons can manifest so that people can see them...they can also take the shape of humans. The verse about being careful because you might be engaging with an angel, refers both angels of God and angels of darkness.

Before I became a christian I was a psychic. A mother contacted me with a problem her 7 year old daughter had. She often talked about a friend called "Zoe" (Z-oh). She described this Zoe as being close to her age, dark hair, wearing a dress with small flowers printed on her dress. Zoe would often become scared and quiet when others were around. The mother became concerned as this Zoe had described herself as being dead and one late night looked into her daughter's room and saw a shadowy figure next to her bed. I only spoke once to this mother and referred her to a woman who was a medium I felt could help her more than I couldSadly, that is the blind leading the blind, spiritually speaking. A non-believer has no authority over any demon, so to send them to someone that does not serve Christ was futile. Hos 4:6, right?
The only other child I had any dealings with as a psychic had a tremendous impact on me. A young mother contacted me about her some odd black out spells she had. She said she would black out then , as she came back to her senses, she would have a terrifying "vision" of her young child, a toddler, dead in a coffin. She was very worried that she might die.

The first reading was all about the mother's past. This is always how it went for me and fake psychics never do this. It always gave me credibility. I accuratly described how she grew up, how she often cried about her alcoholic dad. I even gave her the name and gender of her childhood dog and how it would greet her by having it's paws on top of the gate.

The second reading changed my life. I tried to psychically see if there was an illness with her daughter. I found nothing. I continued to search for a cause in this girl for these visions. Suddenly in a vision, I saw a demon wave his hand in front of me as if to say, "Don't look here". I broke off that vision and continued. I then saw a vision of demons working in this girls life from with in her. From this, I told Tabitha, that her daughter had a demonic issue and perhaps she could see a Catholic priest fro an exorcism Sadly, here again, if the priest is not Born again/spiritually renewed and a member of the kingdom of Heaven, he also has no authority over any demons.

From that point on, my life became tormented, day and night. The spirits that were around me turned on me. I had uncontrollable visions of angry demons every single time I closed my eyes for more than a split second. Twice I was attacked in a physical way. When I tried to have vision to help others, I would see a demon blocking it. One night I asked a medium for help. She told me "Don't mention the demon's name". Before I could say "I don't know it" The demon spoke it's name three times in a row, in a goat like voice; "Baphomet, Baphomet, Baphomet".

Finally, I took my own advice and went to see a Catholic Priest to see if I could get some help. I ended up becoming a Christian. I did go to a deliverance ministry and they helped me out in tremendous ways. All they false things I had believed evaporated and I felt so ashamed for what I had done as a psychic. Even as I write this, tears still come. I made some amazing friends, most who were also struggling to get free from the demonic.How awesome is that?? The reason the demons messed with you after you referred the girl to the priest is because you were 'getting close' to the truth which would set you free. That was the last thing they wanted and their attempt was to fill you with fear so that you would NOT continue to seek Truth!!

So can children have a demon? They sure can.[/QUOTE I SO agree!! In fact...most, if not all, children DO have demons of one sort or another. They are connected to the curses of iniquity that they are born with due to generational sin.
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nathan3

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MaggieMye ; said:
I SO agree!! In fact...most, if not all, children DO have demons of one sort or another. They are connected to the curses of iniquity that they are born with due to generational sin.
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To MaggieMye :



How can you agree with that, with such thing as a generational curse; when God said there is no such thing ???????????????

God does not punish people , Does not punish kids for something their family has done. He just does Not do that.


[size=+1]Ezekiel 18

King James Version (KJV)

18 The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,

2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?

3 As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,

6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,

7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;

8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,

9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God.

10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,

11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,

12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,

13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.

14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,

15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,

16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,

17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

18 As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.

19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?

26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.[/size]
 
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danschance

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persistant 'invisible friends' ARE demons. They come AS friends. Children have a wonderful, God-given ability to both see and hear in the spiritual realm. They come as friends, but have a very dark agenda...and is to kill, steal and destroy...at best in their opinion, the child, but they will settle for steal the child's destiny in the Kingdom of Heaven. were children seem to play with a ghost or even become tormented by it. Sometimes children have mentioned the names of dead relatives and can accurately describe them even though they have never seen them alive.Demons can manifest so that people can see them...they can also take the shape of humans. The verse about being careful because you might be engaging with an angel, refers both angels of God and angels of darkness.

Before I became a christian I was a psychic. A mother contacted me with a problem her 7 year old daughter had. She often talked about a friend called "Zoe" (Z-oh). She described this Zoe as being close to her age, dark hair, wearing a dress with small flowers printed on her dress. Zoe would often become scared and quiet when others were around. The mother became concerned as this Zoe had described herself as being dead and one late night looked into her daughter's room and saw a shadowy figure next to her bed. I only spoke once to this mother and referred her to a woman who was a medium I felt could help her more than I couldSadly, that is the blind leading the blind, spiritually speaking. A non-believer has no authority over any demon, so to send them to someone that does not serve Christ was futile. Hos 4:6, right?
The only other child I had any dealings with as a psychic had a tremendous impact on me. A young mother contacted me about her some odd black out spells she had. She said she would black out then , as she came back to her senses, she would have a terrifying "vision" of her young child, a toddler, dead in a coffin. She was very worried that she might die.

The first reading was all about the mother's past. This is always how it went for me and fake psychics never do this. It always gave me credibility. I accuratly described how she grew up, how she often cried about her alcoholic dad. I even gave her the name and gender of her childhood dog and how it would greet her by having it's paws on top of the gate.

The second reading changed my life. I tried to psychically see if there was an illness with her daughter. I found nothing. I continued to search for a cause in this girl for these visions. Suddenly in a vision, I saw a demon wave his hand in front of me as if to say, "Don't look here". I broke off that vision and continued. I then saw a vision of demons working in this girls life from with in her. From this, I told Tabitha, that her daughter had a demonic issue and perhaps she could see a Catholic priest fro an exorcism Sadly, here again, if the priest is not Born again/spiritually renewed and a member of the kingdom of Heaven, he also has no authority over any demons.

From that point on, my life became tormented, day and night. The spirits that were around me turned on me. I had uncontrollable visions of angry demons every single time I closed my eyes for more than a split second. Twice I was attacked in a physical way. When I tried to have vision to help others, I would see a demon blocking it. One night I asked a medium for help. She told me "Don't mention the demon's name". Before I could say "I don't know it" The demon spoke it's name three times in a row, in a goat like voice; "Baphomet, Baphomet, Baphomet".

Finally, I took my own advice and went to see a Catholic Priest to see if I could get some help. I ended up becoming a Christian. I did go to a deliverance ministry and they helped me out in tremendous ways. All they false things I had believed evaporated and I felt so ashamed for what I had done as a psychic. Even as I write this, tears still come. I made some amazing friends, most who were also struggling to get free from the demonic.How awesome is that?? The reason the demons messed with you after you referred the girl to the priest is because you were 'getting close' to the truth which would set you free. That was the last thing they wanted and their attempt was to fill you with fear so that you would NOT continue to seek Truth!!

So can children have a demon? They sure can.[/QUOTE I SO agree!! In fact...most, if not all, children DO have demons of one sort or another. They are connected to the curses of iniquity that they are born with due to generational sin.
Maggie

Persistent 'invisible friends' ARE demons. They come AS friends. Children have a wonderful, God-given ability to both see and hear in the spiritual realm. They come as friends, but have a very dark agenda...and is to kill, steal and destroy...at best in their opinion, the child, but they will settle for steal the child's destiny in the Kingdom of Heaven.
That is what I believe. I have heard many stories were a concerned parent thought something more was going on.

Sadly, here again, if the priest is not Born again/spiritually renewed and a member of the kingdom of Heaven, he also has no authority over any demons.
At the time I had no idea where to refer her to. Having seen "The Exorcist" and what not, I knew the Roman Catholic Church at least believed that demons are a reality and help people with them. I have never heard of a any pastor who mentioned that he casts demons out.

How awesome is that?? The reason the demons messed with you after you referred the girl to the priest is because you were 'getting close' to the truth which would set you free. That was the last thing they wanted and their attempt was to fill you with fear so that you would NOT continue to seek Truth!!
They were not happy with me. However, it was their mishandling of me which brought back to Jesus. So it was a good thing. I have a relationship with Jesus that far exceeded my wildest imagination. Today God is using my experiences to His glory.

I SO agree!! In fact...most, if not all, children DO have demons of one sort or another. They are connected to the curses of iniquity that they are born with due to generational sin.
Maggie
That is true. I agree even though I may take some heat from well meaning Christians.