Can a person repent if laws do not apply to them?

[posthuman]

Hello you. To provide salvation by making people keep the law never was plan A. This is evidence you don't know Scripture. There was never a promise of eternal life connected to the law. The promise was made to Abraham, and accomplished through his Seed, Yeshua HaMashiach. Go study your Bible.

that's not an answer, mike.

and it's not what i'm proposing -- it's what i gleaned from your constant evasion. you aren't answering this simple question, so you're leaving me zero choice but to just make things up wildly speculating conclusions from the inspirational bookmarks you're reading to me. what is "plan A" mike? all you tell me is "law law law" -- so if that's not what you think plan A is, why aren't you talking about plan A instead?

if you've really studied the law, why is it so difficult for you to answer this one, simple question?

what have you learned from it?
what does the law teach you?

or are you always & ever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth?

what, need more time? how much time do you need?

 

[posthuman]

"love God; love others" is not the gospel - it is the law. and it cannot save."
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these Holy Words, 'Love God and love others' - these words are 'our' gospel -
they have everything to do with what our Saviour requires of us to do to become
members of the Holy family that our Precious Lord and Saviour has created for us
to desire to evolve and grow into...

no, this isn't the gospel. this is the summary of the law. Christ said all the law and the prophets hang on this -- He was asked, "what is the greatest commandment?" and He answered with two commands that aren't even in the decalogue. He was being tested to see which scribe & rabbi He was going to align Himself with. but He confounded them - He basically said, "1-4 is the most important. followed closely by 5-10"

but this is not the gospel. the gospel is the power of God unto salvation: but this is the law, the summary of it, and the law was powerless to do what is being done in you and in me.
the gospel is not the Law. the gospel is not the Torah. the gospel is the destination of the law: the scripture says, Christ is the end of the law for all those that believe. He is the spirit of prophecy. He is to us the wisdom of God. that word translated into English as "end" is the Greek word that you would use if you were talking about planning a journey: it's the place you were going. it's the address you put into the GPS. Jesus Christ is the destination.
He is the Destination, the Way, and the Door! All In All!

the gospel is not the law, and it is not your personal testimony, and it is not "do righteous things" and it is not even "believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved"
the gospel is not something we do -- it is what God has already done! it is Jesus Christ, crucified and resurrected!

Jesus is the gospel. the Living Mercy of God, who Jesus is, why He was sent, why it was necessary for Him to be sent, and what He accomplished and is accomplishing. that is the gospel.
Christ's command to us: love one another as He has loved us - that is the result of the gospel. that He first loved us: that is the gospel!

 

[EarsToHear]

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[posthuman]

the same One who said to us: love one another

is the same One who said: let there be light.

and there was light. will there not also be love? completely sanctified and made complete in Him is as inexorable and unavoidable and certain as that any word that comes out of the mouth of God will certainly not return to Him void.
though He may slay me, i trust Him - if that is the 'drastic measure' necessary to free me from my flesh, i embrace it - because in Him, i have already died! in Him is my life, entire

so we have blessed assurance, if we hear His voice! come to Him!
we don't have to worry, 'am i being righteous enough? will He accept my pitiful attempt at following His commands, or do i need to try harder to become saved?' -- CHRIST SAVES YOU; you do not save yourself. it is not by human desire or effort, but by the mercy of God!

the gospel is freedom, and joy & peace, and an holy, reverent fear - not terror, not anxiety & worry, not a shiny new set of heavy shackles!

 

[posthuman]

the same One who said to us: love one another

is the same One who said: let there be light.

and there was light. will there not also be love? completely sanctified and made complete in Him is as inexorable and unavoidable and certain as that any word that comes out of the mouth of God will certainly not return to Him void.
though He may slay me, i trust Him - if that is the 'drastic measure' necessary to free me from my flesh, i embrace it - because in Him, i have already died! in Him is my life, entire

so we have blessed assurance, if we hear His voice! come to Him!
we don't have to worry, 'am i being righteous enough? will He accept my pitiful attempt at following His commands, or do i need to try harder to become saved?' -- CHRIST SAVES YOU; you do not save yourself. it is not by human desire or effort, but by the mercy of God!

the gospel is freedom, and joy & peace, and an holy, reverent fear - not terror, not anxiety & worry, not a shiny new set of heavy shackles!

is this what the law taught you, mike?

 

[disciplemike]

that's not an answer, mike.

and it's not what i'm proposing -- it's what i gleaned from your constant evasion. you aren't answering this simple question, so you're leaving me zero choice but to just make things up wildly speculating conclusions from the inspirational bookmarks you're reading to me. what is "plan A" mike? all you tell me is "law law law" -- so if that's not what you think plan A is, why aren't you talking about plan A instead?

if you've really studied the law, why is it so difficult for you to answer this one, simple question?

what have you learned from it?
what does the law teach you?

or are you always & ever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth?

what, need more time? how much time do you need?

you post a lot of words. much speaking. you get upset when you think someone is bothering your free ticket to heaven. the problem is you don't listen when people try to help. I think you hope to muddy the waters with your much speaking. whatever works for you I guess.

 

[disciplemike]

is this what the law taught you, mike?

I think to avoid your tons and tons of babble, it will be best to answer you with only Scripture quotes.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:7 (KJV)

 

[psalm6819]

Mike, ya sound like someone dressed in sack cloth and ashes........

A right relationship with Jesus is what changes the heart...not being Torah compliant

 

[disciplemike]

Mike, ya sound like someone dressed in sack cloth and ashes........

A right relationship with Jesus is what changes the heart...not being Torah compliant

good morning Psalm6819. Maybe the sackcloth and ashes showed that peoples hearts had changed? It worked in Nineveh.

 

[psalm6819]

Amen Brother, but we are under a New Covenant- a better one!!!!

 

[posthuman]

you post a lot of words. much speaking. you get upset when you think someone is bothering your free ticket to heaven. the problem is you don't listen when people try to help. I think you hope to muddy the waters with your much speaking. whatever works for you I guess.

This isn't an answer either, Mike.

It's just unwarranted, vain, baseless and unjustified accusations.

What's so hard for you about such a simple question?





((sent from my Nixon-phone))

 

[posthuman]

I think to avoid your tons and tons of babble, it will be best to answer you with only Scripture quotes.

This isn't an answer either.

Just another baseless accusation; an insult without cause.

What does the law say about slander?

 

[oldethennew]

who are we old-men-made-of-God? can we ever call God a liar -
even when we still abide in our own ignorance?
if we truly love our Maker, even this will eventually pass...

 

[disciplemike]

Amen Brother, but we are under a New Covenant- a better one!!!!

in keeping context with the thread, Under the new covenant, is repentance required for believers or not?

 

[oldethennew]

dm,

my heart so wants me to believe that you are not the 'common-baiter', who for some reason
of their own just loves to create controversial-contention' for what ever reason...

sometimes it's for attention, sometimes it for personal reasons that we ourselves don't even
understand, or sometimes it could be that we realize that we are not obeying our Maker, and anger
or other fears can overcome us and make us weak, before we become strong...
the list just goes on and on,...

it is obvious that you know the answer to your question, but for your own personal reasons,
you have chosen to cause dissention among our brethren,.,,

I ask you brother, is it worth it, to go on to such unkindness? for each and every one of us have
to ask 'ourselves' such things in order to find our peace with our Father, and to grow out of our past...

use the gifts that you have been given, and edify and uplift your brothers and sisters, and then
share with them your power to help them heal...

 

[disciplemike]

dm,

my heart so wants me to believe that you are not the 'common-baiter', who for some reason
of their own just loves to create controversial-contention' for what ever reason...

sometimes it's for attention, sometimes it for personal reasons that we ourselves don't even
understand, or sometimes it could be that we realize that we are not obeying our Maker, and anger
or other fears can overcome us and make us weak, before we become strong...
the list just goes on and on,...

it is obvious that you know the answer to your question, but for your own personal reasons,
you have chosen to cause dissention among our brethren,.,,

I ask you brother, is it worth it, to go on to such unkindness? for each and every one of us have
to ask 'ourselves' such things in order to find our peace with our Father, and to grow out of our past...

use the gifts that you have been given, and edify and uplift your brothers and sisters, and then
share with them your power to help them heal...

just trying to help bring out what Scripture really teaches. It is not my intention to be unkind, but we have been politically correct long enough. I rather offend someone now than not share what I believe to be truth. it is time to come out of Babylon.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You seem to be hung up on the idea that sin is only defined by the law of Moses. Sin is unrighteous behavior. All men have the witness that they are unrighteous by nature.

1st John 3:4
King James Version(KJV)

4.)Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[posthuman]

just trying to help bring out what Scripture really teaches. It is not my intention to be unkind, but we have been politically correct long enough. I rather offend someone now than not share what I believe to be truth. it is time to come out of Babylon.

mike, what he is trying to tell you is 'go ahead and share what you believe to be the truth, please - even if it may offend'

because what you are doing instead, is asking a question that you obviously have a fully formed opinion of the answer to, but refusing to answer the question yourself. because you are not sharing what you believe to be the truth, what you are doing instead is sowing dissension.

if you do believe you have a truth -- tell that truth. don't just keep dodging around, cryptically criticizing responses. if you have something you think to teach, teach it.

it is precisely mirrored in the way you keep refusing to answer the simple question i have been trying to get an answer from you about: what does the law teach you? what is the fruit of meditating on and comprehending it? what is the aim?
instead of simply giving an answer, you have been dodging around, criticizing and cryptically responding with out-of-context snippets of scripture, and recently began slandering me and responding with wild, unjustified accusations.

if you want to edify -- if that is truly your purpose -- then tell us what you believe about repentance, salvation, believing in Christ and being subject to the law. and tell me what you believe studying and meditating on the law has produced in you: what the fruit of it is, whether it is self-imposed behavior modification or something greater.

the longer you refuse to do these simple things, to actually share what you believe, the more it looks like you aren't actually here to 'share what you believe' at all but to actually offend, and to stir the pot, and to simply bait the brethren with controversy and needless argument & division.

if it is "time to come out of Babylon" than indeed, quit all babbling, and speak boldly.

 

[posthuman]

it is precisely mirrored in the way you keep refusing to answer the simple question i have been trying to get an answer from you about: what does the law teach you? what is the fruit of meditating on and comprehending it? what is the aim?

and lest you just bring more condemning speech against me, saying 'o hypocrite, you are asking me questions that you know the answer to' - - i have given you what studying the law produced in me, even though the question is what it has produced in you, personally - a one who comes to us glorifying the law, calling yourself a 'new Jew,' and i do not know what that answer is, in you.

mike, let's be clear: i am not trying to bring out that 'there is no benefit in studying the law' -- because that is patently false. i am trying to get you to talk about the gospel, and to confess & praise the Lord Christ.
yes, i am doing that by asking you a couple of questions - but truthfully, i did not expect that you would be so obtuse as to refuse even to entertain them, since by answering them you should be able to preach Christ, and Him crucified. i expected that that is a thing you would more than eager to do .. ?

 

[disciplemike]

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:16 (KJV)