Can Christian Women Be Pastors and Preachers?
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1. are women allowed to teach children?
YES! Especially the differance between the boys and the girls.
2. are you a child of God?
Can I be if I argue against His Apostles? Against His Word. If I want to be the woman of the house? What about gay? Can two men really have children, and one is a woman and the other a man? SICK MAN! Are they now a family of God?
A child of God is not a child of men. And especialy a NEW child of God, should not even become a deacon. So only ELECTED children of God can become deacons, let alone pastors! Ananda to generalise is very dangerous. The Bible is clear on the roles in the church. I do not argue with that. God set up a infelluable structure... Jesus is my Brother, but I cannot be the savior! Are all brothers now messiah's? So do not make it that all children of God may be pastors!
3. does that change when you enter a church?
Yes, the Holy Spirit HIMSELF choose whom HE wants to be gifted with preaching and Word! Not even the holy MEN have a choice whether they will have something to contribute that day, or not! The Holy Spirit is in SOLE control. And ALL will be at peace! Not a single person would be upset about ANYTHING taught in church. It s orderly and peacefully! I might be the priest at my home, and I might go through my whole life NEVER saying a single WORD in church! It is not up to me if I will speak in church or not, it is up to the HOLY SPIRIT! And I know He will NEVER use a woman! The Hly Spirit cannot go against God! and God said... Let your woman keep queit in church. And the Holy Spirit will see that that is followed to the Word!
YES! Especially the differance between the boys and the girls.
2. are you a child of God?
Can I be if I argue against His Apostles? Against His Word. If I want to be the woman of the house? What about gay? Can two men really have children, and one is a woman and the other a man? SICK MAN! Are they now a family of God?
A child of God is not a child of men. And especialy a NEW child of God, should not even become a deacon. So only ELECTED children of God can become deacons, let alone pastors! Ananda to generalise is very dangerous. The Bible is clear on the roles in the church. I do not argue with that. God set up a infelluable structure... Jesus is my Brother, but I cannot be the savior! Are all brothers now messiah's? So do not make it that all children of God may be pastors!
3. does that change when you enter a church?
Yes, the Holy Spirit HIMSELF choose whom HE wants to be gifted with preaching and Word! Not even the holy MEN have a choice whether they will have something to contribute that day, or not! The Holy Spirit is in SOLE control. And ALL will be at peace! Not a single person would be upset about ANYTHING taught in church. It s orderly and peacefully! I might be the priest at my home, and I might go through my whole life NEVER saying a single WORD in church! It is not up to me if I will speak in church or not, it is up to the HOLY SPIRIT! And I know He will NEVER use a woman! The Hly Spirit cannot go against God! and God said... Let your woman keep queit in church. And the Holy Spirit will see that that is followed to the Word!
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People always try to use that scripture that says a bishop is to be the husband of one wife..There is just one problem with that. A bishop and a preacher are clearly not the same thing. This is what i like to call misapropriation of sciptures...maybe i'll make a thread on that one
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I used to believe this way for a long time, until one day when I read 1 Corinthians 14:33 and 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (I had read them before but this time was different). I saw that it clearly said women could not speak in church. However, I was confused because there were women in the Bible who were judges, prophesized, etc., which you already listed. I was talking to someone here about that and he clarified that point for me. He explained that what Paul was referring to is that women can't teach Scripture or doctrine to men in the formal congregation, the CHURCH, because God designed men to be the head and to exercise authority in church. Women can teach other women and children and they can prophesy and all that outside church. All those women from the Bible were outside the formal congregation when they did those things.
I think women should not be pastors. They are in a position of authority over men and this is not the order that is mentioned in the Bible.
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety" 1 Timothy 2:11-15.
I think women should not be pastors. They are in a position of authority over men and this is not the order that is mentioned in the Bible.
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety" 1 Timothy 2:11-15.
I'm not sure how wide-spread this idea is, but I was raised in a church who differentiate between pastoring and preaching. Being a pastor involved supporting, nurturing and at times guiding. Preaching involved getting up in front a group of people and teaching, normally as part of a church service. Pastoring was about the relationships, preaching was about the teaching. This is not to say that a preacher couldn't also be a pastor, or a pastor a preacher, but they weren't necessarily the same.
Using these definitions, women are fully capable (in general probably more so than men) of pastoring. As for preaching, I actually don't really have a strong opinion. I wouldn't complain about a woman preacher, assuming she was fulfilling her responsiblities, but I don't think I would seek out a woman preacher either.
Using these definitions, women are fully capable (in general probably more so than men) of pastoring. As for preaching, I actually don't really have a strong opinion. I wouldn't complain about a woman preacher, assuming she was fulfilling her responsiblities, but I don't think I would seek out a woman preacher either.
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I agree that, with that definition of pastoring, women are very capable. But, I've never seen or heard of a pastor who didn't preach. I think both go hand in hand.
In my opinion, the best thing would be leaving the teaching of the Bible and doctrine to the pastor and that the pastor or a male leader support and guide the men in the congregation and a woman or a group of women support and guide the women in church. I don't think it's too wise for a male leader to be guiding or counseling women too closely. I've seen this end in disaster way too much.
In my opinion, the best thing would be leaving the teaching of the Bible and doctrine to the pastor and that the pastor or a male leader support and guide the men in the congregation and a woman or a group of women support and guide the women in church. I don't think it's too wise for a male leader to be guiding or counseling women too closely. I've seen this end in disaster way too much.
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No, 1 Timothy Chapter 2 verse 12 , 13 and 14.
Qualifications for modern day Church leadership, 1 Timothy entire 3rd chapter.
Jesus did not select any Women as Apostles, the Apostles (with the exception of Judas) were Church leaders the modern Church.
A Woman also does not have leadership authority within the Christian home if she has a Husband.
We live in a day and age when certain Women will desire positions of leadership over their husbands within the home and over men within the church.
As for me I will never attend a church with Women in leadership positions, nor will I tolerate female leadership over me in my home. That's just my personal view, I realize we live in a "do your'e own thing" world and people will feel differently.
Qualifications for modern day Church leadership, 1 Timothy entire 3rd chapter.
Jesus did not select any Women as Apostles, the Apostles (with the exception of Judas) were Church leaders the modern Church.
A Woman also does not have leadership authority within the Christian home if she has a Husband.
We live in a day and age when certain Women will desire positions of leadership over their husbands within the home and over men within the church.
As for me I will never attend a church with Women in leadership positions, nor will I tolerate female leadership over me in my home. That's just my personal view, I realize we live in a "do your'e own thing" world and people will feel differently.
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Argh, me senses a bit o' scripchar twistin', sorry I missed talk like a pirate day (Every year!) Anywho, scripture tells us the role women have, and deacons and elders and any other person in charge is always referred to as men. I'm a woman and I don't feel repressed by God's order. I'm in a church run by men and they all have loving wives that are committed to being helpmates in the home and raising the children. It's a beautiful thing to see men loving their wives as Christ loves the church and women submitting to the authority of their husbands. It's one of the main reasons I chose this church, I'm a single mom raising a daughter and I wanted her to see examples of Godly marriages and fathers providing for their families. As to the scripture twisting, the first two verses of the post are taken out of context, and furthermore being given a specific role based on gender does not mean that God favors one sex over the other! When did taking care of the home and parenting children become such a disgraceful position to be in? I for one do not envy the role men have, to love their wives as Christ loves the church is a tall order and to also be the provider in the family... that's a lot to carry. Pastors will answer to God for the shepherding of their flocks and as much as I try to study God's word I know I wouldn't want that responsibility to fall on my shoulders either. Picking out a couple of random women in the Bible to support this view needs to be looked at closer. Deborah did lead the army, but it was attributed as a shame to Barak for his not filling his role. I'm not sure about the other women, I'll need to look at them in context.