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Why does God speak to us in dreams while we are asleep? Shouldn't He talk to is servants while they are awake? Unless when they are asleep is the time when they are awake.
Genesis 15:12As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him.
Genesis 28:11When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep.
Numbers 12:6he said, “Listen to my words: “When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams.
Genesis 46:2And God spoke to Israel in a vision at night and said, “Jacob! Jacob!” “Here I am,” he replied.
1 Samuel 3:15Samuel lay down until morning and then opened the doors of the house of the Lord. He was afraid to tell Eli the vision,
Job 33:15In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls on people as they slumber in their beds,
Genesis 20:3But God came to Abimelek in a dream one night and said to him, “You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman.”
Genesis 31:10“In breeding season I once had a dream in which I looked up and saw that the male goats mating with the flock were streaked, speckled or spotted.
Genesis 15:12As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him.
Genesis 28:11When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep.
Numbers 12:6he said, “Listen to my words: “When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams.
Genesis 46:2And God spoke to Israel in a vision at night and said, “Jacob! Jacob!” “Here I am,” he replied.
1 Samuel 3:15Samuel lay down until morning and then opened the doors of the house of the Lord. He was afraid to tell Eli the vision,
Job 33:15In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls on people as they slumber in their beds,
Genesis 20:3But God came to Abimelek in a dream one night and said to him, “You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman.”
Genesis 31:10“In breeding season I once had a dream in which I looked up and saw that the male goats mating with the flock were streaked, speckled or spotted.
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God speaks to us in many ways, not just dreams. Astral projection is not a christian subject for the average Christian and it is forbidden for Christians to astral project because it requires the aid of demons. It maybe useful for some specific Christians to know about and how to stop an astral traveler from gaining any kind of access.
With a name like enlightenment and speaking of astral projection and dreams, I would assume you were more of a New Ager than a Christian. Maybe you think it is OK to blend the two together? Either way, the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. I hope you find Him.
With a name like enlightenment and speaking of astral projection and dreams, I would assume you were more of a New Ager than a Christian. Maybe you think it is OK to blend the two together? Either way, the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. I hope you find Him.
John 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
The two are different. We always consider that God ways is our ways, but it isn't. We think He sit on a toilet as we do and eat as we do also. We have to separate from our earthly nature (And only time that can happen is when we are asleep) to be able to see and understand the nature of God. God had put the Jews under the control of Rome because the Jews lacked knowledge and the Greeks seek knowledge and understanding of all things. So basically God had put them in school to understand Him.
Hosea 4:6my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
Isaiah 56:10Israel’s watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge; they are all mute dogs, they cannot bark; they lie around and dream, they love to sleep.
1 Corinthians 1:22Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
Matthew 12:39He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
The two are different. We always consider that God ways is our ways, but it isn't. We think He sit on a toilet as we do and eat as we do also. We have to separate from our earthly nature (And only time that can happen is when we are asleep) to be able to see and understand the nature of God. God had put the Jews under the control of Rome because the Jews lacked knowledge and the Greeks seek knowledge and understanding of all things. So basically God had put them in school to understand Him.
Hosea 4:6my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
Isaiah 56:10Israel’s watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge; they are all mute dogs, they cannot bark; they lie around and dream, they love to sleep.
1 Corinthians 1:22Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
Matthew 12:39He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
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The Greek language does not convey the idea that demons possess anyone in the sense of ownership. In that respect, the phrase "demon possession" in English is an unfortunate one. Satan owns nothing.
If a boy is scared by a small dog, he may climb on to a roof to avoid the dog. An observer (and the boy) would say, "the dog made him climb the roof." But that is an illusion. The boy had an inaccurate sense of reality - he believed a lie. If he had stood his ground, no harm would have come on him. No one made him do anything. Yet, there he is, on the roof, against his own will.
When we believe lies, Satan gains a degree of control over us (though it is all a lie and the illusion of control). We respond, at first to "protect" ourselves from imaginary danger. Satan plays with us to see how we respond. If we continue to let him play, some respond so exactly to Satanic influence that they speak the words and perform the acts as Satan desires. Having an altered sense of reality (believing lies), they give over control of pieces of their mind to Satan. They need the truth. To stay clear of all demonic influence/"possession" we need to stay grounded in truth. When our mind dwells anywhere outside Phil 4:8 (see my signature below) we open up our mind to demonic influence/control.
If a boy is scared by a small dog, he may climb on to a roof to avoid the dog. An observer (and the boy) would say, "the dog made him climb the roof." But that is an illusion. The boy had an inaccurate sense of reality - he believed a lie. If he had stood his ground, no harm would have come on him. No one made him do anything. Yet, there he is, on the roof, against his own will.
When we believe lies, Satan gains a degree of control over us (though it is all a lie and the illusion of control). We respond, at first to "protect" ourselves from imaginary danger. Satan plays with us to see how we respond. If we continue to let him play, some respond so exactly to Satanic influence that they speak the words and perform the acts as Satan desires. Having an altered sense of reality (believing lies), they give over control of pieces of their mind to Satan. They need the truth. To stay clear of all demonic influence/"possession" we need to stay grounded in truth. When our mind dwells anywhere outside Phil 4:8 (see my signature below) we open up our mind to demonic influence/control.
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Athenians Called ignorant -
Acts 17:23 "For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' What therefore you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.
Athenian belief that the Greeks are a special race is slammed:
Acts 17:24 A " The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth"
Athenian folk religion (city full of idols) is slammed
Acts 17:24 B "does not dwell in temples made with hands"
Epicuraen "atomistic" belief slammed
Acts 17:25 neither is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all life and breath and all things
Greeks believed that they were a special race, up from the ground, not related to "barbarian" races. Their gods were distant and not immanent in the affairs of men.
Acts 17:26 and He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation
Stoics were pantheists; did not believe in a distinction between the human and the divine. Saw no reason to seek gods.
Acts 17:27 that they should seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us
Totally foreign to Greek idea of gods.
Acts 17:28 A "for in Him we live and move and exist"
Paul cites a Greek Poet to disagree with him (Paul knows that we are NOT all God's offspring, but that Jesus death and ressurection made a provision that a few could BECOME children of God". Pauls point - if you believe that we are God's offspring, what are all these idols doing all over your city?
Acts 17:28B-29 as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His offspring.' "Being then the offspring of God, we a ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
Politely repeats the point he started with - Greeks are ignorant. Before, only the Jews were judged nationally for disobeying the gospel. Now, all men will be judged.
Acts 17:30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all everywhere should repent. because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising him from the dead"
Many men have made the error of thinking that Paul was building a bridge with the Athenians. In fact, he is calling them ignorant with every breath. Acts 17 does not contradict Romans 1. They are in complete agreement (both being written by God through Paul).
Rom 1:18-23 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident a within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not a honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four- footed animals and a crawling creatures.
Acts 17:23 "For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' What therefore you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.
Athenian belief that the Greeks are a special race is slammed:
Acts 17:24 A " The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth"
Athenian folk religion (city full of idols) is slammed
Acts 17:24 B "does not dwell in temples made with hands"
Epicuraen "atomistic" belief slammed
Acts 17:25 neither is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all life and breath and all things
Greeks believed that they were a special race, up from the ground, not related to "barbarian" races. Their gods were distant and not immanent in the affairs of men.
Acts 17:26 and He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation
Stoics were pantheists; did not believe in a distinction between the human and the divine. Saw no reason to seek gods.
Acts 17:27 that they should seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us
Totally foreign to Greek idea of gods.
Acts 17:28 A "for in Him we live and move and exist"
Paul cites a Greek Poet to disagree with him (Paul knows that we are NOT all God's offspring, but that Jesus death and ressurection made a provision that a few could BECOME children of God". Pauls point - if you believe that we are God's offspring, what are all these idols doing all over your city?
Acts 17:28B-29 as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His offspring.' "Being then the offspring of God, we a ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
Politely repeats the point he started with - Greeks are ignorant. Before, only the Jews were judged nationally for disobeying the gospel. Now, all men will be judged.
Acts 17:30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all everywhere should repent. because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising him from the dead"
Many men have made the error of thinking that Paul was building a bridge with the Athenians. In fact, he is calling them ignorant with every breath. Acts 17 does not contradict Romans 1. They are in complete agreement (both being written by God through Paul).
Rom 1:18-23 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident a within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not a honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four- footed animals and a crawling creatures.
Greek seek for wisdom as it is written and which the Magi follow the star and knew that a king of the jews were born. The Greeks seek throughout the land in search for wisdom from other countries and which astrology was commonly known in Asia and which brought that teaching to their country region. The Greeks know that there were more to the human body than just the flesh, they knew of the soul which they were trying to find more about it which psychology means the knowledge of the soul and mind. The Jews were not looking for God but they were waiting for Him to return whenever. So God wanted to combine faith with understanding.
Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Matthew 6:33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Matthew 13:13This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
Matthew 13:19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
Mark 4:13Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understandany parable?
Mark 8:21He said to them, “Do you still not understand?”
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The Greeks understood nothing. Zero. That is Paul's point in Acts 17. That is his point in Romans 1. He gave the Greeks no credit for their philosophy, using the word "ignorance". No element of Greek philosophy has been taught in God's word. All attempts to synchronize God's word with Greek Philosophy (Thomas Aquinas et. al.) have resulted in departure from the gospel. Yes, the Jews were reprimanded for lack of understanding. Where were the Greeks ever commended for their understanding?
ICor 1: 18-23 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE." Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of d the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well- pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for a signs, and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach a Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness.
ICor 1: 18-23 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE." Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of d the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well- pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for a signs, and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach a Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness.
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I find this line of argument a bit juvenile because it is blatantly obvious that demons never own humans. Who ever said demons can own humans? No one on this thread even implied demons buy and sell humans like cattle. I do not know a single person who would ever made that claim. So it is a complete moot point. It is about as relevant as saying "demon possession never means they dress you in pink". Demon possession means they inhabit a person and can at times take over the body.
You said he climbed up on the roof to avoid the dog but here you conclude he is on the roof against his will? Well, which is it?
So don't believe lies or you will protect yourself from imaginary danger against your will? Is that what you are really claiming?
You said he climbed up on the roof to avoid the dog but here you conclude he is on the roof against his will? Well, which is it?
So don't believe lies or you will protect yourself from imaginary danger against your will? Is that what you are really claiming?
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I just showed you the Greek word which means slanderer or accuser. So it does not mean evil spirit either. Now of course demons are evil spirits.
In the King James it is often translated as devil but in my bible, the NASB, it is often translated as demon. Beyound that, you are simply splitting hairs.
In the King James it is often translated as devil but in my bible, the NASB, it is often translated as demon. Beyound that, you are simply splitting hairs.
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the problem here is people are confused, in conjuring up all sorts of bizarre creatures in their imagination, thinking that the bible says that. When the reality is that God never created such things.. The Bible consistently teaches, evil spirit and its called that in all the Bible. A spirit, is simply explained as The Holy Spirit, which is God's spirit, can effect positive changes in ones life.. On the other hand, Satan, is allowed to send forth his, evil spirit, and effect people. This can even go to the level of literally controlling some ones body. Even you, have a spirit, your spirit can lift people up, or you can walk in a room and bring people down. But its not a spook, and its not a monster under the bed ((( because of what the Original poster of this thread stated ))). This misconception comes from not understanding what God's word teaches in full.
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2 Corinthians 12:1 I must go on boasting. Though there is nothing to be gained by it, I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. 3 And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.
Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.
Genesis 40:8“We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.”
Why does dream are so important and why does they need interpreting? Or they just figments of our imagination? Or is it demonic to interpret them?
Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.
Genesis 40:8“We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.”
Why does dream are so important and why does they need interpreting? Or they just figments of our imagination? Or is it demonic to interpret them?