Can Salvation be lost?

[Blain]

Here is something I don't understand though, if we cannot lose our salvation then why are we warned so often about backsliding?
And consider also the parable of the sower

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower

13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

Now to me this is speaking of the subject at hand, now if the seed is the gift of salvation or perhaps the holy spirit and the plants are us then notice how not all came to full fruition some were eaten by birds and some landed on rocky places, this could be seen as the trials of life that made it where the seed could not grow and some were in soil sprang up quickly but when the sun came they withered away and others landed on good soil and produced amazing fruits.

I have personally seen all these types of things in people, I met some who came to God but in the end the hardships of life and the attacks od the enemy made them give up on God in fact just recently a married couple I was trying to help went through that. I have also seen some who at first were on fire for God they were excited and went to church and such but for whatever reason the fire sizzled and they eventually became luke warm and then suddenly one day they no longer cared about God. Then I have seen those who made their foundation on their love and relationship with God and produced amazing fruits.

Now lets say the sower is God, why would he sow the seeds in the first place if he didn't think the seed could be accepted? any farmer knows not to waste seeds, so if salvation cannot be lost then what does this parable really mean?

 

[Blain]

Click on my username, select "View Profile" and at the top left, you should see "Add as friend" as an option. Click on that and that should do it.

EDIT: Thank you Blain. I didn't know you had already beat me to it. Sorry.

No worries buddy I am aloways glad to help

 

[FlSnookman7]

Here is something I don't understand though, if we cannot lose our salvation then why are we warned so often about backsliding?
And consider also the parable of the sower

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower

13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

Now to me this is speaking of the subject at hand, now if the seed is the gift of salvation or perhaps the holy spirit and the plants are us then notice how not all came to full fruition some were eaten by birds and some landed on rocky places, this could be seen as the trials of life that made it where the seed could not grow and some were in soil sprang up quickly but when the sun came they withered away and others landed on good soil and produced amazing fruits.

I have personally seen all these types of things in people, I met some who came to God but in the end the hardships of life and the attacks od the enemy made them give up on God in fact just recently a married couple I was trying to help went through that. I have also seen some who at first were on fire for God they were excited and went to church and such but for whatever reason the fire sizzled and they eventually became luke warm and then suddenly one day they no longer cared about God. Then I have seen those who made their foundation on their love and relationship with God and produced amazing fruits.

Now lets say the sower is God, why would he sow the seeds in the first place if he didn't think the seed could be accepted? any farmer knows not to waste seeds, so if salvation cannot be lost then what does this parable really mean?

I believe the seed is the Word of God and that it is sown with everyone but only grows in those who are saved.

 

[followjesus]

Salvation can't be lost, but many think they're saved but aren't.

what determines whether they are really "saved" ? and what is it we are saved from?

 

[followjesus]

Question of the day: Who are the two witnesses in Revelation 11?

the Law represented by Moses, and the prophets represnted By elijah are the 2 witnesses.

revelation 11:4-5 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth
zechariah 4 "Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

matthew 17:2-3 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.


Moses represents the Law which witnesses of Jesus, and the Prophets represented by elijah, which witness of Jesus.

acts 28:23 "And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into hislodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening."


acts 26:22-23 "Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


the Law and prophets are the two witnesses

 

[Speak2Me]

I was listening to a sermon on the car radio a few days ago. The minister said (I'm paraphrasing), that there are no behaviors or acts on our part that can earn salvation. Salvation comes through the grace of God. (I don't have an issue with this; it's not the subject of this thread.)

But then the minister went on to say (paraphrasing again) that there are no behaviors or acts on our part that can cause us to lose salvation once we've been saved. Is this right? I'm a bit skeptical of this. It seems to me that being saved in Christ doesn't magically grant us carte blanche to engage in any sort of sinful behavior that temptation sends our way. Or does it?

Can Salvation be lost?

Yes it can. The Bible mentions apostasy several times, and tells us in the last days there will be a big falling away from the faith before the Antichrist shows up.

a·pos·tate
əˈpäˌstāt,əˈpästət/
noun
noun: apostate; plural noun: apostates

• 1.
  a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
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  [TD]dissenter, defector, deserter, traitor, backslider, turncoat; More
  
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  [TD]follower[/TD]
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adjective
adjective: apostate

• 1.
  abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
  

Origin

Middle English: from ecclesiastical Latin apostata, from Greek apostatēs ‘apostate, runaway slave.’

The internet dictionary did a wonderful job of explaining its biblical meaning.

 

[Zmouth]

I believe the seed is the Word of God and that it is sown with everyone but only grows in those who are saved.

The seed is the testimony that the LORD gives the sower. The sower is one who the LORD has given them the testimony which they are teaching. So what does the LORD instruct a person to do to receive the seed? The sower sows the seed to that those who believe can freely receive it. Remember that the sower can receive nothing unless it is given unto him from heaven. Proverbs 23:23 is how the good ground receives it.

Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. Isa 8:16

The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: Malachi 2:6

 

[Speak2Me]

When you sell a car, once the title changes hands you can't undo the transaction.

No, but you can junk the title & send it to the junkyard.

 

[Innerfire89]

Here is something I don't understand though, if we cannot lose our salvation then why are we warned so often about backsliding?
And consider also the parable of the sower

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower

13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

Now to me this is speaking of the subject at hand, now if the seed is the gift of salvation or perhaps the holy spirit and the plants are us then notice how not all came to full fruition some were eaten by birds and some landed on rocky places, this could be seen as the trials of life that made it where the seed could not grow and some were in soil sprang up quickly but when the sun came they withered away and others landed on good soil and produced amazing fruits.

I have personally seen all these types of things in people, I met some who came to God but in the end the hardships of life and the attacks od the enemy made them give up on God in fact just recently a married couple I was trying to help went through that. I have also seen some who at first were on fire for God they were excited and went to church and such but for whatever reason the fire sizzled and they eventually became luke warm and then suddenly one day they no longer cared about God. Then I have seen those who made their foundation on their love and relationship with God and produced amazing fruits.

Now lets say the sower is God, why would he sow the seeds in the first place if he didn't think the seed could be accepted? any farmer knows not to waste seeds, so if salvation cannot be lost then what does this parable really mean?

The people who represent the wayside and the thorns didn't come to fruitful faith. The faith they have is just feeling, they like the Gospel, but but never live by it.
True faith is worked into us by God and the true knowledge that Jesus is the son of God is revealed to the elect by God.

Ehp. 1:1 To the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ.
Eph. 2:8-10 For it is by grace you have been saved, though faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Matt. 16:16-17. Simon Peter anwserd "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Jesus replied "Blessed are you Simon, son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

 

[followjesus]

I was listening to a sermon on the car radio a few days ago. The minister said (I'm paraphrasing), that there are no behaviors or acts on our part that can earn salvation. Salvation comes through the grace of God. (I don't have an issue with this; it's not the subject of this thread.)

But then the minister went on to say (paraphrasing again) that there are no behaviors or acts on our part that can cause us to lose salvation once we've been saved. Is this right? I'm a bit skeptical of this. It seems to me that being saved in Christ doesn't magically grant us carte blanche to engage in any sort of sinful behavior that temptation sends our way. Or does it?

Can Salvation be lost?

its up to God who is saved, we are not suppose to judge Ourselves, but wait for the Lord who will judge Both the quick and the dead at His coming. He has given us clear warning, and instruction Like He gave Noah, either we will believe God and do it His way, or we will choose to ignore His warning and indtruction.

i cant tell you or anyone else whether they are " saved" or not, and niether can anyone tell the other. Jesus alone will Judge each person according to thier own deeds, as many opinions as you have here on this thread, scripture really doesnt shade this but makes it really clear

romans 2 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God."


people try hard to make thier own actions irrelevant, the Only judgement taught in the Bible is Just like these scriptures its taught many times. Our deeds what we do, How we treat others will determine either eternal Life with God, or wrath and indignation, and anguish.


salvation is to those who accept Jesus and Obey Him.

Hebrews 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Modern doctrines teach really outlandish theories, fantasies really made of man to allow man to think what we do doesnt matter. its the Oldest trick in satans manual. if a believer believes that they need to obey God, they will. if a believer believes they dont need to repent of sin and obey God, they never will. destructive to no end is the interpretation of what Grace means. we nee to accept Jesus, and take Him as Our Lord, Learn from Him trust in His truth, instruction and forgiveness. if we do that well be fine, if we do not repent of sin and follow the Lord we will not be fine.


we dont have to be perfect, we do have to obey God with all our Hearts and when we fail, we confess it and repent and He is faithful to forgive those but always We are to Obey, we mess up but its the exception and not a rule.

 

[notuptome]

Here is something I don't understand though, if we cannot lose our salvation then why are we warned so often about backsliding?
And consider also the parable of the sower

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower

13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

Now to me this is speaking of the subject at hand, now if the seed is the gift of salvation or perhaps the holy spirit and the plants are us then notice how not all came to full fruition some were eaten by birds and some landed on rocky places, this could be seen as the trials of life that made it where the seed could not grow and some were in soil sprang up quickly but when the sun came they withered away and others landed on good soil and produced amazing fruits.

I have personally seen all these types of things in people, I met some who came to God but in the end the hardships of life and the attacks od the enemy made them give up on God in fact just recently a married couple I was trying to help went through that. I have also seen some who at first were on fire for God they were excited and went to church and such but for whatever reason the fire sizzled and they eventually became luke warm and then suddenly one day they no longer cared about God. Then I have seen those who made their foundation on their love and relationship with God and produced amazing fruits.

Now lets say the sower is God, why would he sow the seeds in the first place if he didn't think the seed could be accepted? any farmer knows not to waste seeds, so if salvation cannot be lost then what does this parable really mean?

Backsliding is not loss of salvation. Backsliding is loss of fellowship with God. It is allowing sin to separate you from the God you are to love. Backsliding applies to sanctification not salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Deacon_D]

Nice try but half wrong.

 

[Blain]

ok so the seed can be the word of God or it can be the testimony of Jesus Christ but could it also represent the holy spirit or perhaps salvation itself? And for that matter what makes a person saved? I mean sure many claim to be Christians many go to church many prayer and study the scriptures but but even non believers seem to understand there is a fine line between a Christian by title and a Christian by heart.

If the seed was indeed planted but bore no fruit does that mean they were never saved to begin with or is it like how a plant grows and sprouts but thorns and weeds grow with it and kill the plant? I mean I find it odd how we are warned about backsliding if we can never lose our salvation and if one was never saved to begin with because they backslid and fell from faith then how can we tell who is saved and who isn't and is it even our place to to do so? Like when did salvation become so complicated?

 

[PennEd]

Yes, salvation can be lost if one is not careful to obey God. Paul said he makes his body submit to him so that, even though he preached to many others, he himself wouldn't get disqualified for the prize.

But it let me show you with even one verse. The Bible says "If you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins." So this is speaking of a person who was saved, but started using Christ's blood as a license to sin purposely (premeditated without effort or goal to stop), and God no longer allowed Christ's sacrifice to cover their sins- because they were hustling God.

So they will now have to get into heaven by their own name and on their own merit- which must be perfectly flawless. One sin keeps you out of heaven if not covered by Christ's blood, and since everyone falls short, he lost his salvation because he lost Christ's sacrifice on his behalf. He is a prodigal who needs to come back to the Father and do it right.

For did the prodigal son represent someone who is saved? No- that father said "My son was dead but is now alive." And since the son did not die physically, we know he meant he was dead spiritually before he came back to the father. If you physically die in a prodigal state, your fate is sealed forever.

My heart goes out to this woman. Her posts are almost always full of works necessary to maintain salvation, and if you screw up, ZAP!!!
Salvation is NOT a prize! It is a free gift given by God. A prize is something you get for YOUR performance. Salvation is something we get from JESUS' performance.

Your prodigal son understanding doesn't hold water because if you are born again, have Salvation, and ARE a son, then you ARE alive. So you are saying you were dead, were Spiritually born again, became a son, Spiritually died, came back to the Father, and were Spiritually born a second time.

That's what "losing your salvation" means. You were saved, born again a new creation, sinned too much, and spiritually died again.

You can't see the fatal flaw in that?

 

[joefizz]

My heart goes out to this woman. Her posts are almost always full of works necessary to maintain salvation, and if you screw up, ZAP!!!
Salvation is NOT a prize! It is a free gift given by God. A prize is something you get for YOUR performance. Salvation is something we get from JESUS' performance.

Your prodigal son understanding doesn't hold water because if you are born again, have Salvation, and ARE a son, then you ARE alive. So you are saying you were dead, were Spiritually born again, became a son, Spiritually died, came back to the Father, and were Spiritually born a second time.

That's what "losing your salvation" means. You were saved, born again a new creation, sinned too much, and spiritually died again.

You can't see the fatal flaw in that?

The bible can be seen as one wants to see it,and understood as one wants to understand it,unfortunately this happens all too often sad really,so many that could be potentially great workers for God,yet their eyes see but don't comprehend,for one "must" have the holy spirit to understand even one chapter of the bible in any degree of certainty,yet many "try too hard on their own" to understand God's word,without God,his word is just a book to those who read it otherwise.

 

[Enow]

I was listening to a sermon on the car radio a few days ago. The minister said (I'm paraphrasing), that there are no behaviors or acts on our part that can earn salvation. Salvation comes through the grace of God. (I don't have an issue with this; it's not the subject of this thread.)

But then the minister went on to say (paraphrasing again) that there are no behaviors or acts on our part that can cause us to lose salvation once we've been saved. Is this right? I'm a bit skeptical of this. It seems to me that being saved in Christ doesn't magically grant us carte blanche to engage in any sort of sinful behavior that temptation sends our way. Or does it?

Can Salvation be lost?

No salvation cannot be lost, ( John 6:39-40 ) but there is a race to be run which is still by the grace of God and by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin in running that race ( Hebrews 12th chapter ) to be received by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ).

Otherwise, at the pre trib rapture event, when God will be judging His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ), He will excommunicate those found in iniquity ( 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ) thus they become castaways ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) to be received later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:10-13 ).

 

[followjesus]

My heart goes out to this woman. Her posts are almost always full of works necessary to maintain salvation, and if you screw up, ZAP!!!
Salvation is NOT a prize! It is a free gift given by God. A prize is something you get for YOUR performance. Salvation is something we get from JESUS' performance.

Your prodigal son understanding doesn't hold water because if you are born again, have Salvation, and ARE a son, then you ARE alive. So you are saying you were dead, were Spiritually born again, became a son, Spiritually died, came back to the Father, and were Spiritually born a second time.

That's what "losing your salvation" means. You were saved, born again a new creation, sinned too much, and spiritually died again.

You can't see the fatal flaw in that?

Obedience is required its not a "work" if someone is really a new creation its thier very purpose to do good.

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.


im not sure salvation is found when were promised indignation and wrath upon every soul of man when we refuse to obey God, and it seems as if its pretty important to continue in doing good since they will recieve Glory, Hinor, peace and eternal Life..... seems this theme repeats itself maybe good works are actually what were supposed to be careful to continue in?

titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men."


its sad to me when "christians" spend thier time explaining How good works arent a part of Christian doctrine and try to make them irrelevant. seems a godly mind would never make the argument " good works is a trap, you dont need to do anything just take the gift and continue as you will believing you are saved and will never be facing God for your deeds whether good or Bad"


Obedience to Jesus Christ should not be a "work" it should be a gratitude and should become grievance free . " well its a gift so therefore i dont need to do what God said Hell never hold me accountable" thing is He says He will certainly Judge each person according to thier deeds. Both good and bad have consequences.

No christian should be suggesting anything but to do right By the Lord, since He gave His Sons Life to save Ours.

 

[Enow]

Obedience is required its not a "work" if someone is really a new creation its thier very purpose to do good.

Obedience is not the power in following Jesus, but believing in Him in being our Good Shepherd is.

Even I need His help to do even that, but I see myself following Him by the grace of God and thus getting to know Him & the power of His resurrection when I deny myself as able to follow Him, and trust in Him as my Good Shepherd to see that I can.

 

[Deacon_D]

Sounds good on paper

 

[joefizz]

Obedience is required its not a "work" if someone is really a new creation its thier very purpose to do good.

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.


im not sure salvation is found when were promised indignation and wrath upon every soul of man when we refuse to obey God, and it seems as if its pretty important to continue in doing good since they will recieve Glory, Hinor, peace and eternal Life..... seems this theme repeats itself maybe good works are actually what were supposed to be careful to continue in?

titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men."


its sad to me when "christians" spend thier time explaining How good works arent a part of Christian doctrine and try to make them irrelevant. seems a godly mind would never make the argument " good works is a trap, you dont need to do anything just take the gift and continue as you will believing you are saved and will never be facing God for your deeds whether good or Bad"


Obedience to Jesus Christ should not be a "work" it should be a gratitude and should become grievance free . " well its a gift so therefore i dont need to do what God said Hell never hold me accountable" thing is He says He will certainly Judge each person according to thier deeds. Both good and bad have consequences.

No christian should be suggesting anything but to do right By the Lord, since He gave His Sons Life to save Ours.

Well of course obedience is apart of following and serving Jesus,but the point made is that salvation "cannot" be lost once received,and that's not just concerning our after life it's concerning ourselves as a whole,overtime there are some things we find "we don't do anymore" or "cannot do anymore" that are sinful,yet there are still sins that inevitably we "will" do in life,we are expected to be obedient,and trusting,not sinless or perfect,the point of how one "can't lose their salvation" is that though there will be tempting times we who are saved through Jesus "cannot turn from him" meaning when satan has the mark of the beast given,we "won't be able to accept it" because we we will understand what it means to do so and decline,sure in our mind it is our individual choice but once you put your life in God's hands he will guide you to what to do and say in life,one could say you could turn against God but how can one after accepting his son and spirit?
That is the same as an undieing oath of allegiance,every individual has a choice in Masters,either God or satan,once chosen "there is no going back"'for think of Jonah,did he not flee from God yet "could not" in essence attempting to "leave God's service" yet "could not",to summarize Salvation is not something we preserve but indeed we shall do "good works" in Jesus's name otherwise how can we be sure that we are saved if we have no works,true our salvation is not of works but our lives if we are Truly saved will undoubtedly have "good works" for how can one have God's holy spirit abiding in them if they do not for the lord,how can one know God's word if it is not like unto a fire to one that is only quenched through speaking God's word to any and all whom desire to learn of God's word?
Salvation is not simply a forever sealed guarantee that one will have everlasting life,it is what changes a person's entire enbodiment.