Can you Sin and Not Die?

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eternally-gratefull

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Sounds to me that he gave that effort in his faith's race and got back up. Effort: that four letter word.
He gave effort? Sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire. he gave no effort. he understood god already forgave him for his sin. Just like abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. before he did one work.

the point is. David lives in sin until he died. Thus if living in sin is a prerequisit for us losing salvation. David can not possibly be saved. he would be unqualified
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG,

I won't go there with you.
go where? With the good Sheppard, who;s sheep hear his voice, and always follow after him when he leaves the flock to go find his lost sheep?

 
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cfultz3

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go where? With the good Sheppard, who;s sheep hear his voice, and always follow after him when he leaves the flock to go find his lost sheep?

endless debates and accusations of not being a follower of Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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endless debates and accusations of not being a follower of Christ.
Aww. I am not accusing anyone. I am just trying to share Gods truth. don;t take it as accusing.. I do not mean it that way!
 
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cfultz3

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Aww. I am not accusing anyone. I am just trying to share Gods truth. don;t take it as accusing.. I do not mean it that way!
Yes and I was not sharing God's truth. Thank you for that enlightment.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes and I was not sharing God's truth. Thank you for that enlightment.
why are you being so defensive. I never claimed you were not. I was shewing something which was awsome. Or do you disagree with what I showed you?
 

Bookends

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Luckily, He does not drag us against our will. What a blessing a true hope has upon the soul who hearkens to Him.
He certainly did drag Jonah against his will. This you can not deny.
 
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cfultz3

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He certainly did drag Jonah against his will. This you can not deny.
So did He the pharoah to do His will.
There is no value in a worship which is forced. So proved Daniel and his friends when they willfully disobeyed the king and was then rewarded by God for their faithfulness.
 

crossnote

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David repented and forsook his rebellion to God.

There is no forgveness IN sin.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Skinski, I don't think there is a Christian on CC that would say one is forgiven while sinning.
 

starfield

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oh boy. Salvation is a gift. Not a reward.

God said that isreal would enter the promised land not because they were good or deserved it, but because God gave it to them. long before they even commited one sin. all they had to do was trust God. which the ones who did entered.

Same with salvation. Christ died for us before we commited one sin, and said whoever trusts him, his sacrifice will wash their sin.. same thing. we only enter if we trust god.

the people of Isreal no more deserved to enter the promised land than we deserve to enter heaven.
Their trusting in God was accompanied with obedience, which was the condition for entering the Promised Land. Deu 8:1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers. God gave the promise to them but they had to rely on His provision and obey to possess the land. Similarly, God has promised eternal salvation to those who trust and obey Him, and He has provided us with all that's needed to run the race. Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. You cannot separate faith from obedience otherwise it is not saving faith. Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Their trusting in God was accompanied with obedience, which was the condition for entering the Promised Land. Deu 8:1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers. God gave the promise to them but they had to rely on His provision and obey to possess the land. Similarly, God has promised eternal salvation to those who trust and obey Him, and He has provided us with all that's needed to run the race. Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. You cannot separate faith from obedience otherwise it is not saving faith. Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

This does not prove anything.

1. The land was theirs. God promised it to them through abraham. This was not a conditional covenant.
2. later. Moses gave them the laws of which they did have to obey to be BLESSED in the land. But it does not discount that the land still belonged to them.

Same with salvation. We enter through faith. Faith causes us to obey. It is not the obeying which saves Obeying is a result of our salvation.

As with abraham, he obeyed because he had faith. But scripture makes it clear. He was not saved by any of the works he did because of his faith, if he was, he would have something to boast of.


the problem those who do not believe in eternal security face with this argument of yours. is how much work would save. and how much work would be not enough to not save. And how much sin would make us ineligable, and how little sin would make us eligible.
 
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Skinski, I don't think there is a Christian on CC that would say one is forgiven while sinning.
Does a shoplifter have to cease from shoplifting before God will grant them forgiveness for that sin?

Answer that then email that question to the pastors in your town. You might be surprised what they say.
 
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cfultz3

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#34
If I placed my faith in Christ and then become a warlock, sexually loose, even a murderer, and found a new god and believed Satan over God, would I be able to enter into the City?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If I placed my faith in Christ and then become a warlock, sexually loose, even a murderer,
You mean if you became like King david? (Murderer, adulterer etc etc) Why do you only want to discuss these sins. Are you any more righteous tyhan those people.

Again I asked. what is the cut off of sins, if you want to discuss sin causing us to lose salvation. How many sins does scripture say cause death? 1? 10? 50? 100? 1000??


and found a new god and believed Satan over God, would I be able to enter into the City?

This would make you an antiChrist. John makes it clear if you left the church because of this. You were never saved. thus why are you using it as an argument?
 
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weakness

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To whom it may concern:
There seem to be a big problem defining "works". When somebody uses scripture talking about "works " of the spirit in us, they are misrepresented by some as"works" of the law, or "works" of the flesh ,or some kind of "work" of self righteousness. Is this purposely done? I don't know.Maybe just ignorance? Or could it be spiritual wickedness in High places sowing discord and confusion? "For wheresoever the dead body is there will the scavengers gather". "But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom desendeth not from above ,but is earthly, sensual,devilish. For where envy and strife are,there is confusion and every evil work." " But be ye doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves".But will thou know O vain man,that faith without works is dead? Was not our father Abraham justified by works when he OFFERED up Issac his son upon the alter? See how Faith wrought WITH HIS WORKS , and by WORKS was his Faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled, Abraham believed God ,and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called a friend of God. Ye see then that by "works" a man is justified and not by faith only.
 
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cfultz3

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You mean if you became like King david? (Murderer, adulterer etc etc) Why do you only want to discuss these sins. Are you any more righteous tyhan those people.

Again I asked. what is the cut off of sins, if you want to discuss sin causing us to lose salvation. How many sins does scripture say cause death? 1? 10? 50? 100? 1000??




This would make you an antiChrist. John makes it clear if you left the church because of this. You were never saved. thus why are you using it as an argument?
Would you kindly answer the question please
 
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cfultz3

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with a yes or no.
 
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OK, class,
did King David sin?
Lust,adultery,murder,cover-up?

Yes he did, and lost his salvation until he FOUND repentance before he took his last breath, all you who try to use the few who fell to promote your sinful lifestyle, need to realize, we are NOT to follow King David, but Jesus example!
 
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Qute:

Again I asked. what is the cut off of sins, if you want to discuss sin causing us to lose salvation. How many sins does scripture say cause death? 1? 10? 50? 100? 1000??

Just one as you have been told many times!

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die

But she committed one act of rebellion against God, and guess what? She died spiritually!