State of Emergency in the Churches

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I can vouch for the validity of the email responses below because I have personally conducted my own email campaign over the past twelve months I have had exchanges with well over a 100 pastors and their bottom line answer, without exception, is the same.

The Bible is clear that willful presumptuous sun must stop before mercy is granted by God. Yet the church system is teaching that forgiveness is granted first.

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Jas 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.



State of Emergency in the Churches

The Habitation of Demons and every foul spirit! (Rev18:2) That is what the Modern Day church has become. United wholly with the corrupted world system and drunk with the wine of fornications and luxury. False Prophets control the Platforms and NO ONE preaching True Repentance and Faith can Buy or sell among them. Worst of all, everything APPEARS to be fine and dandy! Like the Churches in Revelation, they are completely unaware what the Spirit is saying to them about their conduct. NOTHING can touch them! They are impervious to correction and scornful of rebuke.



What we have done is use their own tactics against them to expose what’s behind this colossal mess and moral decay. By Stealth we have BROKEN through their Code and discovered what they are REALLY Preaching and teaching. In our Videos sate of emergency standingthegap - Google Search, we examine this crisis in detail and show the vivid reality of how far they have descended into the depths of Satan. We solicited their comments anonymously from a cross section of present day churches. They are all ‘Legitmate’ remarks made by church leaders from across the United States. Unless you hold to the Lie they are preaching, this should serve as a Wake up Call to the church that its LONG PAST time for Sackcloth and ashes. May God help you see how far GONE the system has become.

First Question asked:
Does a Child Molester have to STOP molesting children to Receive Christ?

Hi Dan,
You asked: “If a person is a child molester does he have to stop molesting children in order to receive Jesus?”
My answer: Absolutely not. A person does not need to stop anything, start anything, or do anything at all to have God or Jesus in their life. It is just the opposite. Rather than stopping molesting in order to receive Jesus, it is receiving Jesus in order to stop molesting.

I would go even further: God is already in that person’s life, no matter who they are or what they have done.. The Spirit is already there. Jesus is already at work. What is needed is spiritual growth to the point where our harmful practices can be overcome and healed.
Letting Jesus into our lives begins to change us from the inside out. As we surrender ourselves to God, the Spirit gives all of us, including the molester strength and healing. This is helped by spiritual practices, therapy, Christian community, good teaching, and some healthy relationship with adults who know the problem. Our salvation is not dependent on behaving a certain way. We are saved not because of what we do but because God loves us and would not do anything else but save us.
Of course God wants us to stop hurting children or anyone, but that is not a prerequisite for being loved by God or being saved. Every child molester is loved and treasured by God. Just like a good mother or father treasures their children no matter what kind of trouble they get into. They still love them – and they want to help them get out of trouble. Same with God. Hey, Dan, keep them coming. What are you thinking?
Paul

Thanks for your email. Child molestation is a sexual sin like others and a person can be a Christian and still sin in this way. But God demands that we work to rid our lives of sin, if this is your struggle let’s talk so we can get you some help to work through this struggle and so God can deliver you. Praying for you,
Pastor


Response:
These first two comments are extreme. It’s difficult to believe ANYONE would say such a thing, especially a supposed man of God. The most heinous of sins and they STILL can’t say you must Repent and Forsake it. Only that God will take you ‘in process’ and change you later! Think about it. You can come to the Lord ‘raping babies!!’ What kind of Salvation is this? NONE at all! But it’s what these preachers are peddling.

God help them wake up before it’s too late.


Dan,
Jesus came to save the lost. He will accept anyone, anytime (Rev. 3:20) However, once a person receives
the Holy Spirit, he is sealed and will be a slave to righteousness.(Eph.1:13; 2 Cor. 5:17) This does not
mean that he/she will be perfect, but it does mean that the new person will be enlightened and you will
(or should) have a harder time with perpetual sin. Child molestation is a very serious offense in civil
law and biblically (Matt 18:5-7). If someone is a "Christian" and still finding themselves wanting to
molest children or slipping with this sin, they should expose it to a respected church leader and to the
authorities. God will still love them, but there are consequences. Hope this helps,
Mark D'Ambrosio (asst. Pastor)


To answer your question...
I think you can ask Jesus into your heart while still engaging in behavior that does not honor the love of Christ. By becoming a Christian and following in the Way of Christ (loving God, loving neighbor, loving self -- allowing the fruits of the spirit to live within you -- love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control), you will find it increasingly difficult to behave in ways
that harm yourself and others. I hope this helps.
Preston Hollow Presbyterian Church




Response: Of course God will accept anyone, but on HIS TERMS, not yours! The criterion is Repentance PROVEN By Deeds. Flee His Wrath and Plead for Mercy! (Acts2:37-40) NO ONE who comes to God in this manner, Broken and contrite, through godly sorrow and a zealousness to clear themselves of all wrong doing is going to ‘Still’ want to Molest Children! You Don’t come out of this kind of Sin by Degree. You FORSAKE it or LOSE your soul!


In regard to your question, molestation is a serious problem. It may also include addictive behavior of some kind. You question could also be asked, "Do we have to stop sinning to be loved by God?" I think not. I am always going to be sinning. However, if a person knowingly is harming others in this manner, there are serious considers where society must step in.
Grace, Tom

Dan, There is nothing that a person can do to make God stop loving them. They have always have been and always will be a beloved child of God. However, receiving Jesus and following the Way of Christ means that we behave as Christ would behave. Christ would not molest a child, therefore, followers of Christ should not molest children. From your e-mail I have no way of knowing if you or the person you are concerned about are in the Boise area. We have excellent counseling opportunities. Look for help; even if the person has tried counseling in the past, try again. Be fully assured that God will never desert or turn God's back on any person struggling with an addiction. But living with an addiction is not what God had planned for this person's life. Our prayer team will hold you/your friend in prayer this week.
Grace, Pastor Sandi



Response: God fully expects you to STOP SINNING! “Go and sin no more! Lest a worse thing come upon you!” Jn5:14. That’s what Repentance is for. TO CLEAR you of the wrong doing, Purge your conscience of the sin, Purify the heart and make it FIT for the Holy Spirit to indwell. He who sins is of the devil! So if you are ‘always’ going to go on sinning, WHO is your father? (Jh8:44) Jesus Loved the Rich young man too, (Mk10:21) But he went away unapproved because he refused to yield his heart. Sin is NOT an Addiction! It MUST be Repented of to be forgiven, and that includes an abandonment of the Vile Behavior.




The whole thing isn't about sin as much as it is about redemption, but it also isn't a license to continue in the life style that we lived before Christ (Romans 6). By that I mean to continue with no repentance and no attempt to turn from the things from which we have been redeemed.
So the answer is yes, a child molester can be forgiven without doing anything, but that same one, who enters into God's redemption will in turn live under the new paradigm of God's kingdom.

Does that mean that he will not struggle with those things of which we talk? No, he will. But in Christ we are new creations and in humility we seek to walk in righteousness.
Has this made sense to you?
Peace, Kelley



Response: WHERE in Scripture was ANYONE forgiven of sin WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING? Show me! This pastor is nuts. You see how the Voidance of Preaching Repentance leads to a Total Corruption of the Gospel? To these people the Gospel is merely God winking at our iniquities and forgiving us in advance!
It’s Hogwash from start to finish.


Dear Whoever you are, No, but if a person really does accept Jesus and starts following Jesus, he/she will not continue indefinitely to molest children, rob banks, take crack cocaine, look at pornography, drink alcohol to excess, commit adultery, lie, etc. I John 4.9 says that whosoever is born of God does not CONTINUE in sin. However, that said, we must also remember that we are to repent of sin as we receive the gift of salvation through Christ (Mk. 1.15) I think a sinner, just as I am and you are, must start to make a break with our sinful past and trust God to help us stop all those egregious things we did before we started to be Jesus' faithful followers. Some sins are a lot harder to break than others, just like some addictions are never fully healed, but with God's help we can get the day-to-day victory! Paul said that "God's strength is perfected in weakness so that when I am weak, then I am strong." I hope this helps. Pastor Dan,

No, you don't have to stop molesting children to receive Christ. You need the one who can heal and transform your life to deal with those types of issues. Once someone has received Christ they are responsible to respond in obedience to Christ even when there urges are to do things that are wrong. The urges are not the sin, the thinking and response to the urge is where the critical battle is fought.
In Christ, David Rice

Response: Here the sin Continues in Both Directions. One guy says you won’t go on sinning indefinitely, the other says you DON’T have to Stop molesting children. Can you Imagine the Apostle Paul saying something like this? But these guys preach it as truth! They sugar coat it with talk about ‘healing’, ‘transformation’, ‘starting to make a break’…but its all Code for: ‘The Sin NEVER STOPS!’ If you Don’t have to Stop to Receive Christ, then WHEN will you? Ask the Scorned wife if her unfaithful husband has to Stop his adulterous affair when he comes to her seeking Mercy. It’s no Different with God.


Dan,
No, a person does not have to stop any sin in order to receive Jesus. If we had to be perfect, He would receive no one. The Bible says, "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Call on Him, and you will be saved.


Response:
’Any sin!’ WHERE Does it say such a thing in the Bible? Again, he raises the cop-out remark, ‘If we had to be perfect!’ In CODE this means he knows NOTHING about real Repentance and faith. Even the passage he sited is Way off the mark. ‘Call on Him and be saved’ Yes, Call on Him out of a broken and contrite heart, with earnest zeal, pleading for Mercy! Not repeat after me and go your merry way.



 
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Next Question:
If a person is addicted to pornography, does he have to stop in order to become a Christian? Thanks, Dan.




Dear Dan,
I believe that God loves everyone. The Bible says it I believe that God accepts us as is. The Bible says HE does. I believe no matter what we are doing God then takes us IN PROCESS to wherever HE wants us to be. The Bible says it.
Pastor Forrest,


Thanks for your question Dan.
The truth is, a
person does not have to stop his sin (whatever it may be- whether a person struggles with homosexuality, gossip, greed, drug addiction, etc.) before coming to God. On the contrary, God loves and
accepts everyone just as we are- no strings attached. Once a person comes to God- He does the work to change a person's life from the inside out. I hope this helps. You are always welcome at our church. I hope that you would feel comfortable talking with pastor such as myself personally- you would not be turned away. Sincerely,
Nathan, Glad Tidings Church



Response: WHERE does it Show in Acts that the Apostles went to the unregenerate heathen world and told them God loves everybody no matter what they do? They told them to FLEE His Wrath and REPENT of their sins! NOT they could come ‘in process’ of those sins with ‘no strings’ attached. The Change happens in Repentance, not afterward. You Don’t come to the Lord still attached to your pornography or anything else vile and disgusting. Just as you wouldn’t ask your wife to live in the same house with your girl friend, waiting for your ‘desires’ to change. God will not accept such terms either. The world may call sin an ‘addiction’ and try to profit by weaning you off of it, but God calls it sin. And the wedges of sin is death!


Dan,
No, it is only with the power of Christ that we can undergo lasting change. He loves us so that He can help us change, He does not change us first in order to make us loveable.

Pastor

Good Morning: God loves you exactly as you are. He created you to have fellowship with Him. Any addiction can be overcome through guidance and assistance. All God asks is for you to ask Him to come and live within your heart. After you become a Christian, you possess the Holy Spirit that guides and directs you. I am certain at that time that you will see the pornography for what it is and no longer want it to be part of your life.
Very simply, Billy Graham has always said; “God loves you as a sinner and wants to have fellowship with you. Just simply ask Him to come into your life and reside in your heart. He will then direct your path.”
Ask this prayer. Father, I know that I am a sinner. I ask to the best of my knowledge for you to come and reside in my heart. I love you and want to live for you. Thank you for sending Jesus Christ your Son to die on the cross for my salvation. Amen.
If you prayed that prayer, than send me back an email and I will be happy to chat more. Blessings, bob
Bob Roberts
Minister of Springfield
Second Baptist Church


Response: These guys have it in Reverse! In Real Repentance the Heart experiences a radical and lasting change. Faith WORKING By Love kicks in to cleanse and purity the soul and THEN the Holy Spirit can indwell. So He DOES CHANGE us first, at Initial Salvation, ‘all things become new!’ The Old man passes away, dies with Christ. (in genuine Salvation, not the repeat after me garbage) These guys, including Graham, have NO IDEA Whatsoever about true Repentance and Faith. To them you are practically saved already! You just haven’t acknowledged Jesus yet.


Dan,

If the question is, “Can God save someone who is addicted to pornography, just as he is (in his addicted state)?”, the answer is, YES. We don’t “clean up our act” before we come to Christ. We come as we are – repentant sinners, trusting in Christ.
Bill Baer
Minister of Pastoral Care and
USA/Missouri Missions Minister
Second Baptist Church

No, but he needs to get help with his addiction. There are a lot of ways to find help that will keep a person away from pornography. We even have a class during The Gathering that deals with this issue. Pastor Ray knows about this class.
Pastor Bob


Response:There’s a simple remedy for this so-called addiction of pornography or lust. CRUCIFY IT with your passions and desires or it will SEND you Straight into hell! These people are NOT Preaching the Bible. Scripture says without question that ANYONE DOING these kind of things WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God! (Eph5:5-7, 1Cor6:9-10) These preachers will tell you those passages don’t apply somehow and keep you addicted to your sin. (Just like Peter said they would! 2Pet2:18) What do you think ‘Promise Keepers’ and all the rest of it is all about? Selling Books, Tapes, CD’s, ect and KEEP you coming back for more! They will NEVER tell anyone to REPENT of these things to be saved, because you’re already’ saved in their mind. They are leading you down the Wide Road to Destruction and you love every minute of it!






NOW WHAT?


In the interest of time and space, we could not possibly include all the answers we received to these questions. Therefore we have selected these as an EXAMPLE of what came in. The Response condoning this activity was nearly Unanimous among the churches. NO ONE said that the person involved in any of these sins had to REPENT and FORSAKE such things BEFORE Coming to Christ! Always AFTER.

(Which speaks volumes of the present day mess in our churches and society as a whole)

As you can see from the answers above God Accepts you as a Child Molester, Adulterer, Fornicator, Drunkard, lair and all around degenerate, FORGIVES you, Pronounces you Righteous and no longer holds your sinful condition against you. You Don’t have to DO anything, but ‘Believe’ in Him and confess those sins and you become a New Creation in Christ!

Here’s How it Breaks Down from our findings: (you can read more articles and se videos on web)
1)You Come to Jesus Covered in sin
2)God Does not expect the sin to Stop Before or After Salvation
3)He takes you in PROCESS of Committing Molestation, Adultery, etc
4)The Clean up happens after the Spirit is given, by Degree, over time
5)No One EVER Stops Sinning!

The BIBLE Explicitly Repeats the SPECIFIC Sins that will DISQUALIFY you from the Kingdom of God! (1Cor6:9-10, Gal5:19-21, Eph5:5-7) Scripture says WITHOUT Question that the Wrath of God is Coming on the sons of Disobedience! (Col3:6) But the False Teachers & Pastors out there have cast so much dispersion on the Word of God that NO ONE BELIEVES what it says anymore. And as a result they are Marching headlong into hell fire, completely unaware of their impending doom. The LAST thing in the world these church goers want is to be Convicted of Sin, Righteousness and Judgment! The Possibility of them Truly Repenting in a godly manner and finding real Mercy is almost impossible.
The False Teaches have Everything in Reverse!
1)Repenting is Confession, therefore it falls under 1John1:9 ‘Confess’ your sins!
2)Faith is Trusting Jesus Obeyed for you, therefore your Obedience is out of question
3)Salvation is God not expecting you to Stop sinning
4)And the Christian life is, no body is perfect or can they do anything Right

Supposed Converts Mistake the Kindness and Patience of God with His Approval on their Conduct. They think Faith is subject to their own personal convictions about God, instead of His Word. They see Grace as His unmerited favor and PERMISSION to keep on sinning, rather than the Power to live a godly life of self control. And they think Repentance is Admitting your sinful and being forgiven in advance for all the sins you are going to continue to commit.

WHY DO THEY BELIEVE THESE THINGS? Read the Comments again, WATCH The Videos! Unless you are Deaf and Blind, something should ring through your head. WE are in TROUBLE!!! BIG Trouble with GOD! Yes, He is Kind to the Wicked, but ONE DAY His Kindness will come to an End…..
Heed His Warning!
Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds” :eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.”
Rom2:4-11
 
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We need to FLEE the church buildings and exhort one another to stay the course as the true church founded by the anointed of God.
 
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those preachers thought you were a recovering child molestor pr a person addicted to porn seeking a church to attend...

I said before and will say again NO one except the HOLY SPIRIT can tell anyone they are saved and a child of God. People can tell others of God's promises, testify to how His truth and His words have been fulfilled in their lives. they can speak of His revealed will but salvation and your state of salvation is between the person and God, Himself.
 
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Whoever defends these pastors and ministries who says a molester or porn watcher doesnt have to repent first, stop the sin, is in big trouble with God!

I did the same thing, and sent our many letters to pastors and ministries, they all said NO, you just receive Jesus into your heart, and God will help you to stop molesting, watching porn, etc.. Repentance thrown out the door!

This all comes from your saved IN sin message, original sin teaching, OSAS, imputation, etc,, not from the word of God, the sin stops in repentance or the heart hardens, excellent post Skinski!

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
 
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A couple things.

the new testiment rules. Accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven. But if you do sin Jesus instructs that in prayer you ask for forgiveness from what you're doing that's sinful. This keeps you humble and on the straight and narrow path. Romans is the best book when talking about the sin still living in a Christian and them trying to cope with it.

If you have a sin that you can't beat on your own and you can't seem to resist, what you do is this. You turn it over to God. You basically say "God I've tried everything else, now I'm trying you". Please remove this from me. And if you do this sincerely he will remove the burden for you.
 
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The church in the USA is luke warm. Too many pastors waver between hot and cold. Luke warm is a mixture of hot and cold. Many have wrested the Word of God. Many will not preach the doctrines of Jesus like Jesus' teaching on divorce in Matthew 5 and Matthew 19. Many will not teach that we should give God our all. Too much time with the television and not with the Bible.
 
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I agree completely that the Church of America is definitely in trouble. As one evangelist put it, we don't need another revival, what we need is another reformation.

However, what this country really needs is less cold, dead religiosity and an authentic introduction to a Savior who loved us so much that he gave his own life so that those who truly believe on Him can have a new heart and a new life. Jesus did not die so that we can be saved in our sins. He died so that we might obtain victory over sin through a heart that has been truly transformed thus it no longer values the things of this world which cause us to sin. That my friends is what true biblical salvation / regeneration is supposed to look like.
 
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A couple things.

the new testiment rules. Accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven. But if you do sin Jesus instructs that in prayer you ask for forgiveness from what you're doing that's sinful. This keeps you humble and on the straight and narrow path. Romans is the best book when talking about the sin still living in a Christian and them trying to cope with it.

If you have a sin that you can't beat on your own and you can't seem to resist, what you do is this. You turn it over to God. You basically say "God I've tried everything else, now I'm trying you". Please remove this from me. And if you do this sincerely he will remove the burden for you.

Aceepting the Messiah is following his teachings.


17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 
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"I did the same thing, and sent our many letters to pastors and ministries, they all said NO, you just receive Jesus into your heart, and God will help you to stop molesting, watching porn, etc.. Repentance thrown out the door!"

so you have a problem with people saying that GOD helps people stop sinning?

Repentance is NOT thrown out the door, it is just recognized that GOD is the one who changes people.

God begins by drawing them away from their sin and towards His light.

You sent one email and got a few responses, twisted all their words to fit your preconceived notions and then go on to say: "See how evil and corrupt these churches are?"

without continued dialog about what it means.

Why don't you send out a message to the same churches and ask them HOW one is sanctified in the Spirit and how should a person should Walk if they have the Holy Spirit or even if people should continue sinning after being saved and learning better.

you would get totally different responses. though you might still find a few corrupt churches teaching an antinomian doctrine.

Repentance does not happen unless GOD first draws people to godly sorrow and teaches them what SIN really means.
 
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Repentance does not happen unless GOD first draws people to godly sorrow and teaches them what SIN really means. and there you have it. Amen.
 
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that is NOT to say that people should NOT diligently add to that Faith that is Given Freely FROM GOD.

It is just a recognizing that the ROOT is grounded in the Gift from GOD. His Gospel, His WORD, His Holy Spirit that guides and teaches and convicts and chastens.

It is not the end but once a person has the HOLY SPIRIT then GOD teaches them and guides them. However many do not diligently seek GOD but stop with a bandaid.

What kind of seed are you planting?

Do you water it with waters of bitterness or of love?

When you look at the world do you see the LIGHT or do you dwell upon the darkness?
 
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A couple things.

the new testiment rules. Accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven. But if you do sin Jesus instructs that in prayer you ask for forgiveness from what you're doing that's sinful. This keeps you humble and on the straight and narrow path. Romans is the best book when talking about the sin still living in a Christian and them trying to cope with it.

If you have a sin that you can't beat on your own and you can't seem to resist, what you do is this. You turn it over to God. You basically say "God I've tried everything else, now I'm trying you". Please remove this from me. And if you do this sincerely he will remove the burden for you.
That is the exact problem clearly laid out in the OP.

You have bought completely into the lie if you believe that.

This "accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven" is NOT what they preached in the book of Acts. It is not even close.

When the pastors in the church system unanimously believe that a person can be forgiven by God and saved when they are still molesting children it is very clear that the message they are preaching has nothing whatsoever to do with God.

Those answers should bother people, I mean they should really bother people. Those answers reflect an absolute crisis. That so many people do not find this alarming clearly shows that the Spirit of God has indeed been removed and God has given many over to delusion because they received not a love of the truth.

The crucifixion of the flesh has been completely eliminated from the Gospel message. It is gone. The closest anything comes to it is some gradual crucifixion over time thus one can just molest a little bit less each year. It is absolute nonsense.

Even the Welseyan pastors answer the questions in the same way.

The truth is that hardly anyone believes the Bible. People cling to their pet scriptures at the exclusion of everything else.

Go and read early church writings (pre 300ad). You will never see them use the Romans 7 wretch as the christian walk, you will never see them use 1Joh 1:8 saying the sin never stops, you will never see them call Paul the chief of sinners in the present. They all taught the narrow road of holiness and being crucified with Christ. That was the message which turned the world upside down.



Think about it, do you honestly believe that a child molester can still enter the kingdom while still committing such a filthy sin. That is not salvation! The pastors are leading people to a false assurance, not salvation. Don't be deceived.





2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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Those answers should bother people, I mean they should really bother people. Those answers reflect an absolute crisis. That so many people do not find this alarming clearly shows that the Spirit of God has indeed been removed and God has given many over to delusion because they received not a love of the truth.
Amen!
Think about it, do you honestly believe that a child molester can still enter the kingdom while still committing such a filthy sin.Absolutely Not. WHY, if you have God IN YOU, DWELLING IN YOU, would you even consider such an act? My thoughts, before someone tars and feathers me, YOU WOULDNT.
 
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Those answers should bother people, I mean they should really bother people. Those answers reflect an absolute crisis. That so many people do not find this alarming clearly shows that the Spirit of God has indeed been removed and God has given many over to delusion because they received not a love of the truth.
Amen!
Think about it, do you honestly believe that a child molester can still enter the kingdom while still committing such a filthy sin.Absolutely Not. WHY, if you have God IN YOU, DWELLING IN YOU, would you even consider such an act? My thoughts, before someone tars and feathers me, YOU WOULDNT.

I agree, but the pastors as we revealed are teaching just that, no repentance, you just receive Jesus into your heart, then presto you are a new creature, this is a lie, and the father of it loves it.

The sin must be forsaken before mercy Will be granted, and not one pastor said, YES, he must stop his molesting, BEFORE he receives the spirit of God, think about it, can you honestly say God will give His precious spirit to a defiled unrepentant sinner!

This is what many of your churches are teaching today, either your sin is crucified once and for all in repentance, or the heart hardens! 2 Cor 7-10-11.

And by the way, another shocking thing is that not one pastor I wrote said this vile person should be locked up for the rest of thier lives! The wages of sin is death, yes if he truly repents, then he is forgiven, but it must be through and complete, and real, BUT he still deserves prison and criminal justice!

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
 
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I agree, but the pastors as we revealed are teaching just that, no repentance, you just receive Jesus into your heart, then presto you are a new creature, this is a lie, and the father of it loves it.

The sin must be forsaken before mercy Will be granted, and not one pastor said, YES, he must stop his molesting, BEFORE he receives the spirit of God, think about it, can you honestly say God will give His precious spirit to a defiled unrepentant sinner!

This is what many of your churches are teaching today, either your sin is crucified once and for all in repentance, or the heart hardens! 2 Cor 7-10-11.

And by the way, another shocking thing is that not one pastor I wrote said this vile person should be locked up for the rest of thier lives! The wages of sin is death, yes if he truly repents, then he is forgiven, but it must be through and complete, and real, BUT he still deserves prison and criminal justice!

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I think where Tommy and Skinski get confused is that, while it is true that one needs to humble themselves and repent of sins for the Holy Spirit to reside in one's heart and begin to work through them, it is entirely possible and just as easy for the Holy Spirit to be working toward someone's salvation on the outside of their stubborn hearts as it is for Him to work on the inside.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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People need to think! This is why God is given a bad name, in the name of religion.

1. The thought you have to stop any particualar sin before you get saved is just plain false. and is not in knowing God whatever.

2. We all like to point out the sins WE DEEM as evil sins, but what about the sins we do not think of, or deem evil. do you think God does not think those sins are just as evil??

3. Saying one must stop any sin before they can be saved in reality is the same as saying one must be sinless before he can be saved. How is this possible?

Why do we still want to be pharisees bumping our chests claiming we are not like the sinner, and not be the sinner on our knees thanking God for forgiving us?

I have seen alcoholics who come to Christ stop drinking immediately. I have also seen many who have not, but continued to struggle in this area, but at the same time have great victory over other sin areas in their life. Am I going to condemn this person who has shown he had true faith by the works he has shown (james) because he does not show the work many in todays church demands he shows? Who died and made us God?

Did jesus tell the prostitue to stop her sin, then he would forgive her? NO! Did he tell the thief to stop his sin before he forgave him? NO. where does this pharaseeicle works based crap come from? satan himself.

I agree. many churches look away and allow sin to happen. and this is evil, a licentious church should be condemned. But so should this legalism which turns people from God, and does not show his true love. You save the sinner, Then you help the sinner get healed. IT ALL COMES FROM LOVE. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. These are words from god we all need to heed!
God has given the church instructions on how to discipline a sinner in their midst who continues a sin habit. Paul even called a member of the corinthian church having sex with his mother in law a BROTHER IN CHRIST. But told them what do do using these guidlines. Who are we to judge Gods children and claim they are not his????

We were all sinners before we were saved (if we are saved) God did not order us to stop sin and then he would save us, he told us to have faith in his son, and he would give us life. and out of this life he woulod give us the ability to have victory over sin. but he never promised we would be sinnless.

sexual sin is evil, and an abomination to god. but guess what, so is lieing, so is pride (love of self) so is a the sin of not doing right when he knows he should do it.

when god looks at two people, one of which is a murderer, and one which is a person who keeps to himself and tries to live a moral life, but does not do anything to help others. Does not give of himself in any way, God does not see a murderer and a person who commits the sin of selfishness, one is evil and one just needs a little help, but is morally righteous, GOD sees two sinners deserving of death. We should see the same thing, if we can see this we can see our own sinfullness, have more gratefulness to God who forgave us wretched sinners, and have more compassion for the world who so desperately needs god. And our brothers who still struggle with sin!
 
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EG....Yes, we SHOULD see the same thing God sees, Id like to think I could show love, compassion, and forgiveness to a pedifile, but Im not gonna lie to you and say I could, I could pray and try , would I feed em if they were hungry...YES, would I give em a ride if they needed one, clothe one, YES, but I DURN sure wouldnt leave em alone with a kid.
 
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Eternally-Gratefully could not have said this better. Well written.