Capital Punishment

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TyC113

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What is your stance on death penalty in courts? I know it is a topic of great discussion amongst Christians, with dissent on both sides (pro & against). But I want to know what is your stance on the death penalty? Do you believe Christians should be against or for Capital Punishment in court? Also, have you ever had or known anybody who has experience a murder trial, like being a juror, lawyer, or judge?

Just being curious.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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i don't approve of the death penalty...

i know that God instructed the nation of israel to impose capital punishment for certain crimes...but i think that is a completely different situation...

the nation of israel was a theocracy...a nation governed by God through divinely guided representatives...at least in principle...so it wasn't so much the government imposing the death penalty as it was God imposing the death penalty through his servants...

in contrast i don't know of any modern nation where God instructs the governing authorities on who to execute...and without that divine directive...nobody has the proper authority to take a human life...
 

oldhermit

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Since the Almighty instituted it, I think I'll stand with him on the matter.
 

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i don't approve of the death penalty...

i know that God instructed the nation of israel to impose capital punishment for certain crimes...but i think that is a completely different situation...

the nation of israel was a theocracy...a nation governed by God through divinely guided representatives...at least in principle...so it wasn't so much the government imposing the death penalty as it was God imposing the death penalty through his servants...

in contrast i don't know of any modern nation where God instructs the governing authorities on who to execute...and without that divine directive...nobody has the proper authority to take a human life...
Well, if your argument against the death penalty is that Israel had authority from God, and modern nations DO NOT have authority from God, the book of Romans would appear to disagree.

Romans 13:1
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God : the powers that be are ordained of God.
 
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danschance

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In the US, we have executed innocent persons. This is a fact. For me this is the best argument against it. It actually costs more to execute a prisoner than to simply give him life without the possibility of parole.

On a religious stand point, I am against the death penalty because it gives people more time to repent and know Jesus.
 

oldhermit

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How do we decide whether or not capital punishment is right or wrong? Some argue that this practice, even in response to a capital crime, is uncivilized, cruel, and barbaric. The deontological argument would contend that the death penalty is a justly retributive measure which addresses the guilt factor. The utilitarian would even argue that it is a deterrent measure and should be imposed. I think both are correct. One valid issue that deontology recognizes is that we do not apply the death penalty in our society equitably. Often, the death penalty seems to be disproportionately determined by one’s social, economic or racial status. I am sure most would find this an unacceptable application of capital punishment. If capital punishment is an issue of fairness where a life is demanded for a life, why is it not applied fairly across the board? Still, how does one justify the taking of a life under any circumstance?

One popular argument says that taking a person’s life is a devaluation of the individual. If the life is taken, there no longer remains an opportunity for rehabilitation or redemption. This argument misses the point. Justice is not satisfied by the rehabilitation of the murderer but by taking of his life. Failure to exercise the death penalty in the case of a capital crime is not intended to recognize the dignity of the guilty. It is intended to exact retribution. Failure on our part to uphold the death penalty is instead a failure to recognize the terrible nature of the crime. This brings up the question of who should determine the magnitude of the crime. Since God is the rightful giver and taker of life, perhaps we should allow revelation to influence the decision. The revealed standard demands that a life be taken for a life. "Of every man’s brother I will require the life of man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed", (Gen.9:5,6). This law was given to Noah before the nation of Israel was even born. This law was given as a divine mandate for man to punish the manslayer and was not given to a select group of people as was the Law of Moses. This is a divine mandate to reveal how man should represent the undue taking of a life. We need to see the seriousness of murder from the eyes of the Creator, not through any human value system. Rationalization for not observing the mandate is a rejection of the revealed standard. Observance of this mandate is predicated upon the understanding that man is created in the image of God. Murder then becomes an affront to the image of God. As far as God is concerned, this cannot go unchallenged. The arguments of rehabilitation and possible redemption call into question the validity of the revelation. These considerations have absolutely no value to the mandate of God and do not even figure into it from the vantage point of revelation.

Can the Christian support the death penalty? I believe there are actually two questions here. One is a matter of support while the other is a matter of involvement. I believe that God has granted this judicial mandate of capital punishment to be exercised by world governments. This is a matter appointed to the world powers that God has installed. If a Christian is functioning in a capacity of social authority such as a judge perhaps, then he must carry out the functions of the office he holds. God has assigned this power to such offices and the fact that one is a Christian does not relieve him of this responsibility.

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My Ma was on a murder trial years ago, they found him guilty but i don't recall what happened to him.
I use to believe in it wholeheartedly, but not so much any more.
There are with out a doubt vicious evil people who deserve to die,
like sociopathic killers and the such;
if i said what i'd like to have done with them....well...i....never mind.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Well, if your argument against the death penalty is that Israel had authority from God, and modern nations DO NOT have authority from God, the book of Romans would appear to disagree.

Romans 13:1
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God : the powers that be are ordained of God.
well ancient israel was not only divinely ordained but in principle also divinely directed...i can't say that with any level of confidence for any modern nation...
 

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Not only do I not approve of the death penalty but I would if it was in my power stop anyone who tries to kill someone with the death penalty. The death Penalty is just a blanket, an excuse to Justly murder nothing more. No one deserves to die, not even the cruelest and most evil person. Because if you think about it that is exactly the kind of person God loves to use
 

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Capital Punishment
Capital punishment was abolished in the UK (for murder) in 1965 and in N Ireland in 1973, then abolished totally in 1998...

The problem that I have with capital punishment is that there are times when innocent persons have been executed and the only way to ensure that this does not happen is not to have it at all!

So, I DON'T agree with it, I am quite happly to see persons put behind bars for long periods of time (a time of reflection when then have to live with what they have done) for their crimes, at least if a miscarriage of justice is discovered the person can be released.
 
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nathan3

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God is for capital punishment. So naturally I am for the death penalty .


This study explains that capital punishment is in God's law. God calls for it to be done. It is written .

>Capital Punishment Bible Study<

If we don't listen to God then bad things begin to happen, from our own making.
 
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Jesus, (or God) was put to death by the death penalty!
I tend to believe more as time goes on, that the buck stops here, on the Cross.

I do know why some people would like to tear some of these animals to pieces,
for what they've done to a loved one.
 

Blain

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God is for capital punishment. So naturally I am for the death penalty .


This study explains that capital punishment is in God's law. God calls for it to be done. It is written .

>Capital Punishment Bible Study<

If we don't listen to God then bad things begin to happen, from our own making.
First off God says thou shalt not Kill(Period) I refuse to accept that God says to Kill in any way so If I am to be condemned for doing exactly What the Lord says so be it.
 

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First off God says thou shalt not Kill(Period) I refuse to accept that God says to Kill in any way so If I am to be condemned for doing exactly What the Lord says so be it.
If you were familiar with the Hebrew you would know that is not what he said.
 
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Not only do I not approve of the death penalty but I would if it was in my power stop anyone who tries to kill someone with the death penalty. The death Penalty is just a blanket, an excuse to Justly murder nothing more. No one deserves to die, not even the cruelest and most evil person. Because if you think about it that is exactly the kind of person God loves to use
I think we have to follow what God says about it. God loves all in His family and wants them safe, wants them protected. God gave us examples of how He wants us to act this out in our physical world. God says if we absolutely know, because someone actually saw it happen, that someone would kill another, we are to get rid of that threat to the human life of His people. I don't think that that direction by God depends on if our government is a theocracy or not, the principle stands.
 
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nathan3

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First off God says thou shalt not Kill(Period) I refuse to accept that God says to Kill in any way so If I am to be condemned for doing exactly What the Lord says so be it.
That's not what is written . I posted a link to most of the scripture for what is written about it .

This is just one place recorded in the Bible :


Deut.19 :


11 But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities:
12 Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.
 
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Blain

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If you were familiar with the Hebrew you would know that is not what he said.
Do you mean the book of hebrews or the actual Hebrew language? Because I am not going to study the hebrew Language as I have no need to. It is one of the Ten commandments, it says clearly for us not to kill. AS I said before the death Penalty is just a way for people to justly kill even though there is nothing just about it
 

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Do you mean the book of hebrews or the actual Hebrew language? Because I am not going to study the hebrew Language as I have no need to. It is one of the Ten commandments, it says clearly for us not to kill. AS I said before the death Penalty is just a way for people to justly kill even though there is nothing just about it
The language.
 

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I'm basically undecided. But I do have a question, If God is for the death penalty, then why didn't God kill Cain or have him killed? Instead God placed a mark on him and a curse for anyone who killed him?
 

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I'm basically undecided. But I do have a question, If God is for the death penalty, then why didn't God kill Cain or have him killed? Instead God placed a mark on him and a curse for anyone who killed him?
I do not know. The fact that he did not kill Can in no way subtracts from the fact that the mandate of death for the manslayer was decreed by God. A similar question could also be asked with regard to David. David was guilty under the law and the prescribed penalty for his having killed Uriah was death. Why did God not have him killed?